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[Barneylfc∗]

Three Charlton players including Lyle Taylor unwilling to continue season

Striker fears injury could threaten ‘life-changing move’
Lee Bowyer says Chris Solly and David Davis will also not play

Lee Bowyer has revealed Charlton’s talisman Lyle Taylor is one of three players who have said they will not play when the Championship resumes.

The season is due to restart on 20 June but the club’s top goalscorer, who is out of contract at the end of the month, has informed Bowyer he does not wish to play for fear an injury could threaten his chances of a “life-changing move”.

Bowyer compared Taylor’s influence at the relegation-threatened club to Troy Deeney’s at Watford and expressed disappointment. “Lyle is a big player for us, a bit like Deeney at Watford,” the Charlton manager told TalkSport.

“When he plays, we win games and Lyle has said he is not going to play because of the risk of injury. Chris Solly said the same. And [David] Davis, who is on loan from Birmingham, said he does not want to come back and play. We are three players down but it’s just another hurdle. We’ve got another 22, 23 players that do want to play and that’s the most important thing now.”

Bowyer added of Taylor: “He’s done great for us for two years and, in my eyes, you finish what you have started. Everyone has got their own decisions to make – I cannot force them. What disappoints me the most, and I’ve spoken to Lyle about it, [is that] he wants to play but he is so worried about getting injured he is saying: ‘I won’t be the same player for you.’

“It’s difficult because he’s so big [a player] for us. He’s going to get a life-changing move. If it wasn’t for Lyle, we wouldn’t even be in this division. He has chosen now not to come back and play until the end.”

Taylor has scored 11 goals in 22 league matches this season despite hamstring and thigh injuries. The 30-year-old, formerly of Falkirk and Bournemouth, joinedon a free from AFC Wimbledon two years ago and scored 25 goals to help the club to promotion.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/01/three-charlton-players-including-lyle-taylor-unwilling-to-continue-season-lee-bowyer-injury

Wow.

So they're refusing to go to work for reasons that are nothing to do with Covid? Surely Charlton can take some sort of legal action against them?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Do players generally do this? There’s hundreds of players with deals expiring each season, I can’t recal it being  a thing that they refuse to play in the last month of a season in case they get hurt.

 

dont think it happens that much, probably would be a bit more cautious with things like muscle strains (don’t think you can sign a precontract with another English club until your contract is near up whereas it’s 6 months elsewhere)so if he could sign that deal with (I’m guessing a relatively wealthy championship club with promotion ambitions so possible for another big raise) in January then it wouldn’t be as much of an issue

To be fair, he's a dickhead.

for those who don’t know this is becuase he’s a Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson fan

So they're refusing to go to work for reasons that are nothing to do with Covid? Surely Charlton can take some sort of legal action against them?

They can just not pay him but it’s clear his reasons are financial so he’d probably see that lose helping him guaranteeing him the bigger payday (by not playing he’d miss out on appearance and goal bonuses too)

[west_london_red]

Anyone else watching the snooker? Not really a spot known for its passionate spectators and even that feels a bit weird with no one in the arena and no applause after a good shot or the finishing of a match, gonna feel 10 times more weird when the Premier League is back with no supporters.

[Machae]

Ban him for 2 years

[ScouserAtHeart]

Anyone else watching the snooker? Not really a spot known for its passionate spectators and even that feels a bit weird with no one in the arena and no applause after a good shot or the finishing of a match, gonna feel 10 times more weird when the Premier League is back with no supporters.

Think they're gonna have crowd noises playing during the broadcast though

[thekitkatshuffler]

Ban him for 2 years

I appreciate that snooker is a minority sport, but that seems a little harsh.

[rafathegaffa83]

I think the impact on the transfer window is going to be noticeable. Oliver Kahn was quoted as saying he doesn't think a lot of clubs will engage in transfers for massive fees this summer and many aren't even willing to negotiate transfers at the moment, because the situation is so fluid and clubs are more concerned about other matters. It will really hurt those clubs that not only rely on gate receipts, but also on selling players for massive fees every summer.

[Peabee]

to be fair he’s 30 and it’s probably his last chance to make very good money in a contract so from that perspective I can understand why he’d not want to play (as he’s probably got a deal in the bag and doesn’t want to jeopardise it) as he’s been a lower league player his entire career so doesn’t have the kind of money a guy who’s been on premier league money the last few years, but I can also understand why bowyer is pissed off as he could well be the difference between them staying up or not

He’s under contract though. He’s putting a slight risk of injury above the whole club that pay his wages and he’s signed a contract with.

[24/7]

Imagine if someone whom you had employed and were depending on to help your team progress then says to the whole world that they don't want work on your team anymore in case something happened (an event that could easily happen at any time in the day-to-day operation of that team, even something self-inflicted!) that jeopardised their prospects of working for someone else after they finish working with you......

HR would have a field day with that. 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

He’s under contract though. He’s putting a slight risk of injury above the whole club that pay his wages and he’s signed a contract with.

oh I agree he should play it out, if it was just to the end of the month and not further, but it seems like he’s got a deal lined up with rangers so it’ll be a big pay jump as well as european football (and potentially champions league proper at some point in the next two years) and players are getting more injuries right now I can see why he’s doing what he is even if I disagree with it, and in all honesty I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in his position if I was 30 and likely not made enough to retire on

[Dim Glas]

I think the impact on the transfer window is going to be noticeable. Oliver Kahn was quoted as saying he doesn't think a lot of clubs will engage in transfers for massive fees this summer and many aren't even willing to negotiate transfers at the moment, because the situation is so fluid and clubs are more concerned about other matters. It will really hurt those clubs that not only rely on gate receipts, but also on selling players for massive fees every summer.

Yeah for sure it’ll have a huge impact. Can't say I’d be sorry to see transfer fees go down, and player contracts!

Kahn is likely having to say this now cos motor-mouth Uli Hoeness was spouting on about Sane again the other day, making sound like it was a matter of when not if he signed for Bayern 

[mainone]

Why are the fa saying fans possible at the fa cup final 20000

[gerrardisgod]

They’ve got to line their pockets somehow.

Probably be all them Club Wembley dickheads, that don’t even watch half the games.

[davidlpool1982]

Why are the fa saying fans possible at the fa cup final 20000

5 of the 8 teams left are from the North/Midlands. Surely if 2 northern teams get to the final then it would make sense if you were insisting on fans to hold it up here somewhere to prevent uneccessary long travel?

But we know it's not about that. It's about not having an empty stadium game at Wembley.

[Fromola]

5 of the 8 teams left are from the North/Midlands. Surely if 2 northern teams get to the final then it would make sense if you were insisting on fans to hold it up here somewhere to prevent uneccessary long travel?

But we know it's not about that. It's about not having an empty stadium game at Wembley.

Why play it at all then? A league season needs to be finished one way or another but an FA Cup final without fans does seem pointless.

[Dim Glas]

Quite refreshing to read Jonathan Woodgates view of the re-start of the Championship, despite his teams’ precarious position, he’s all for it and very positive about the return.

QPR chairman, not so much.... article here:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52875186

[OsirisMVZ]

I think the impact on the transfer window is going to be noticeable. Oliver Kahn was quoted as saying he doesn't think a lot of clubs will engage in transfers for massive fees this summer and many aren't even willing to negotiate transfers at the moment, because the situation is so fluid and clubs are more concerned about other matters. It will really hurt those clubs that not only rely on gate receipts, but also on selling players for massive fees every summer.

We've already had an example of this with the Icardi transfer. The buyout clause was something like €70m, he has scored 20 in 31 for PSG, yet the transfer fee was €50m. Everyone knows PSG have the money too after the Neymar and Mbappe deals.

[rob1966]

Why play it at all then? A league season needs to be finished one way or another but an FA Cup final without fans does seem pointless.

Its still a cup to be won, it is the FA's showpiece and it is an entry into Europe for a club. Still worth playing regardless.

[Jm55]

Its still a cup to be won, it is the FA's showpiece and it is an entry into Europe for a club. Still worth playing regardless.

And worth watching.

If the season has played out as normal, it’s doubtful I would have had any interest in the FA Cup after we went out to Chelsea. Having now had no football for months, I’ll be watching every match that I can get away with watching at home without getting moaned at for ‘football being on again.’

The idea of a knockout tournament being played out relatively quickly from the quarter final stage seems pretty appealing currently, especially as all the remaining teams are PL sides.

[rob1966]

And worth watching.

If the season has played out as normal, it’s doubtful I would have had any interest in the FA Cup after we went out to Chelsea. Having now had no football for months, I’ll be watching every match that I can get away with watching at home without getting moaned at for ‘football being on again.’

The idea of a knockout tournament being played out relatively quickly from the quarter final stage seems pretty appealing currently, especially as all the remaining teams are PL sides.

The wifes lot are still in it, they should make the semis as they have Norwich in the quarters, so if they make the final it'll be on in ours. Regardless of who is in it though, it will be on, like you, just for the footy and I'm lucky that she likes footy so will watch it.

[Barneylfc∗]

There'll be more football on than is possible to watch without having to resort to the red mancs v Norwich 

[rob1966]

There'll be more football on than is possible to watch without having to resort to the red mancs v Norwich 

Not in our house there isn't

[lionel_messias]

I think they will televise all the matches next season too.

Football and television/streaming services about to be changed forever.

[Brian Blessed]

Not in our house there isn't

Oh, do you have a Manchester Untied or Norwich fan in the house, Rob???

[Black Bull Nova]

to be fair he’s 30 and it’s probably his last chance to make very good money in a contract so from that perspective I can understand why he’d not want to play (as he’s probably got a deal in the bag and doesn’t want to jeopardise it) as he’s been a lower league player his entire career so doesn’t have the kind of money a guy who’s been on premier league money the last few years, but I can also understand why bowyer is pissed off as he could well be the difference between them staying up or not

The average weekly wage in the Championship is £11k a week (that's £570k per year), he'll be OK even if he is on 40% of that.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

The average weekly wage in the Championship is £11k a week (that's £570k per year), he'll be OK even if he is on 40% of that.

hes 30 and won’t have made huge money, if you had a job lined up for several times the money you’d wouldn’t want to risk it

[Gerry Attrick]

Let's just say if I'm a decision maker at a Championship club I'm not falling over myself to give him a nice contract.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Let's just say if I'm a decision maker at a Championship club I'm not falling over myself to give him a nice contract.

why? Plus the talk is its rangers who’s season is over

[Gerry Attrick]

why? Plus the talk is its rangers who’s season is over

IF a player is willing to not play when they've a contract to make sure they get a nicer one, I'm not sure that's a player I want.

[rob1966]

Oh, do you have a Manchester Untied or Norwich fan in the house, Rob???

Hard to tell with the green and gold

[JerseyKloppite]

hes 30 and won’t have made huge money, if you had a job lined up for several times the money you’d wouldn’t want to risk it

Players can sign pre-contract agreements with foreign clubs in January. Can you imagine being at a championship level club and your star player wanders over on 15th January and says “sorry boss, I’ve signed for Bayern and I don’t want to get injured before I go so I’m not playing any more”.

I know Tyler hasn’t signed for anyone yet but the principle is not dissimilar. Charlton have paid his wages and given him a platform to earn this possible lucrative move. He’s letting them down big time when they’re in a relegation scrap. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a reason for doing so but I think it’s pretty shocking to be honest. He’s free to enter into a pre-contract agreement with anyone now, so sign for whichever club wants you and play the last games.

As said above, if he’d have tried to pull the same trick with a few games left in the season back in April he’d have been slaughtered for it. Games after his contract expires at the end of June are one thing, but Charlton will have 2 or 3 games before then and he should play them or forefeit his wages.

[ScouserAtHeart]

It's basically what Coutinho did to us without saying it in as many words

[FiSh77]

Hard to tell with the green and gold

But is it official green or gold bought from an unofficial stall or unofficial green and gold bought from an official club shop?

[sinnermichael]

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1267739733754601475

[rob1966]

But is it official green or gold bought from an unofficial stall or unofficial green and gold bought from an official club shop?

 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Players can sign pre-contract agreements with foreign clubs in January. Can you imagine being at a championship level club and your star player wanders over on 15th January and says “sorry boss, I’ve signed for Bayern and I don’t want to get injured before I go so I’m not playing any more”.

I know Tyler hasn’t signed for anyone yet but the principle is not dissimilar. Charlton have paid his wages and given him a platform to earn this possible lucrative move. He’s letting them down big time when they’re in a relegation scrap. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a reason for doing so but I think it’s pretty shocking to be honest. He’s free to enter into a pre-contract agreement with anyone now, so sign for whichever club wants you and play the last games.

As said above, if he’d have tried to pull the same trick with a few games left in the season back in April he’d have been slaughtered for it. Games after his contract expires at the end of June are one thing, but Charlton will have 2 or 3 games before then and he should play them or forefeit his wages.

oh he’s being a twat but even that bigger twat bowyer can see why he’s done what he’s done, as has another one of his players out of contract in a few weeks

[BarryCrocker]

Players can sign pre-contract agreements with foreign clubs in January. Can you imagine being at a championship level club and your star player wanders over on 15th January and says “sorry boss, I’ve signed for Bayern and I don’t want to get injured before I go so I’m not playing any more”.

I know Tyler hasn’t signed for anyone yet but the principle is not dissimilar. Charlton have paid his wages and given him a platform to earn this possible lucrative move. He’s letting them down big time when they’re in a relegation scrap. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a reason for doing so but I think it’s pretty shocking to be honest. He’s free to enter into a pre-contract agreement with anyone now, so sign for whichever club wants you and play the last games.

As said above, if he’d have tried to pull the same trick with a few games left in the season back in April he’d have been slaughtered for it. Games after his contract expires at the end of June are one thing, but Charlton will have 2 or 3 games before then and he should play them or forefeit his wages.

If he wants to sit out 8-9 games for his current club, then he should have to sit the same number for his next club.

[red_Mark1980]

The argument that to be a true green and gold protester you really shouldn't be buying it from a Man U store. As plenty did.

[rafathegaffa83]

'Kinell

Chelsea want nine subs on the bench

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-premier-league-nine-substitutes-project-restart-a4457006.html?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

'Kinell

Chelsea want nine subs on the bench

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-premier-league-nine-substitutes-project-restart-a4457006.html?

to be fair if it’s 5 subs it’s not that mad, think Germany have had more than 7 subs so far? And it means we can give more of the kids gametime as well