Topic: Hillsborough trial collapses

[fredfrop]

What next?

https://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/national/19329252.hillsborough-disaster-trial-collapses-judge-rules-no-case-answer/?ref=twtrec

The trial had heard statements were amended to remove criticism of the force.

But expert witness Sir Robert Francis QC told the jury there was no legal duty of candour for police at a public inquiry.

[CraigDS]

Prob worth mentioning it's best to watch what is said in here.

[Eeyore]

Prob worth mentioning it's best to watch what is said in here.

Craig is right, let's keep our powder dry for now.

[gazzalfc]

Prob worth mentioning it's best to watch what is said in here.

Legally speaking no one is on trial any more. The CPS will not appeal todays decision.

Duckenfield was acquitted. From a criminal perspective, every avenue has now been exhausted.

There could now be civil claims but this is highly unlikely.

96 people were found to be unlawfully killed to a criminal standard.

As of today, only Sheffield Wednesday club secretary Graham Mackrell was convicted of failing to ensure the health and safety of fans arriving at the ground on the day of the disaster. He was fined £6,500 and ordered to pay £5,000 costs.

[Dubred]

Legally speaking no one is on trial any more. The CPS will not appeal todays decision.

Duckenfield was acquitted. From a criminal perspective, every avenue has now been exhausted.

There could now be civil claims but this is highly unlikely.

96 people were found to be unlawfully killed to a criminal standard.

As of today, only Sheffield Wednesday club secretary Graham Mackrell was convicted of failing to ensure the health and safety of fans arriving at the ground on the day of the disaster. He was fined £6,500 and ordered to pay £5,000 costs.

96 people unlawfully killed to a criminal standard.

1 person held accountable, if you can even call it that.

[kavah]

It’s a cover up.
It’s a disgrace

[24/7]

It’s a cover up.
It’s a disgrace

Margaret Aspinall called it "the cover up of the cover up of the cover up". She's not wrong.

Gloves are off, gags are removed. With nobody on trial (and no realistic prospect of there ever being anybody else brought to trial) I'd say the days of keeping our powder dry ARE FUCKING OVER!!!!!

[24/7]

David Conn's article here - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/26/hillsborough-trial-of-former-south-yorkshire-police-officers-collapses?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[El Lobo]

What an absurd, broken system to come to that outcome

[Samie]

What A Joke!

[paulrazor]

awful

just awful

[Pistolero]

Taylor report an  'administrative exercise' ...Unfuckinbelievable
the institutionalised corruption / self preservation that runs through the establishment like a fuckin cancer - on show for all to see... ....the families must be absolutely devastated.. JFT96

[24/7]

No words......

[Millie]

No words......

fucking joke

[Chakan]

They just want the whole thing to go away and be swept under the rug. Typical

[TheShanklyGates]

Devastating news.

[Millie]

That's that then? To say I am devastated would be an understatement.

[Theoldkopite]

Just a coincidence that this ruling was made when Dominic Cummins is hogging the headlines.

[12C]

No words......

He was entitled to lie.
There you see the criminal cover up in one sentence.

[Fromola]

Just a coincidence that this ruling was made when Dominic Cummins is hogging the headlines.

Good day to bury bad news

[Theoldkopite]

Establishment has fucked us over big time. Knew it was going to end like this when the judge in the Duckinfield case referred to him along the lines of “poor old chap”.

[Samie]

The price to pay for the killing of 96 fans? Only six and a half grand. 

[thaddeus]

Jonathan Goldberg QC was just on Radio 5 and it made me extremely angry.  Blaming Andy Burnham for calling for the enquiry, stating that the statements had been altered not to protect the police but to protect the fans.  Staggering.

Adrian Chiles was weak as piss in his questioning.

[cdav]

Just a coincidence that this ruling was made when Dominic Cummins is hogging the headlines.

Was just going to say this.

Its clear there is no legal threshold on any of this, its a decision made to no presecute anyone.

We live in a legal system based on precedent, this gives a greenlight to never have to tell the truth in future inquiries

[tubby]

Garbage, but is anyone surprised.

[Craig67]

Jonathan Goldberg QC was just on Radio 5 and it made me extremely angry.  Blaming Andy Burnham for calling for the enquiry, stating that the statements had been altered not to protect the police but to protect the fans.  Staggering.

Adrian Chiles was weak as piss in his questioning.

Couldn't believe what I was listening to.... also re-peddling the myth that it was rioting fans outside that caused the whole thing, as you say, unchallenged.   

[Ray K]

No words......

A public inquiry before a High Court judge, with no legal obligation to tell the truth.


Let's see that being applied to the general public rather than the establishment.  I won't hold my breath.

[Crosby Nick]

Couldn't believe what I was listening to.... also re-peddling the myth that it was rioting fans outside that caused the whole thing, as you say, unchallenged.   

You see this type of comment under any article on Hillsborough you read. Shocking ignorance or just downright blinkered views from people who don’t want to accept the truth.

This decision stinks and I feel for the families and survivors.

At least the HIP findings and the new inquest have brought to light what actually happened, but it seems, only to those who want to see it. To get no criminal justice for countless criminal acts is a disgrace.

[Stumo]

Jonathan Goldberg QC was just on Radio 5 and it made me extremely angry.  Blaming Andy Burnham for calling for the enquiry, stating that the statements had been altered not to protect the police but to protect the fans.  Staggering.

Adrian Chiles was weak as piss in his questioning.

I heard this as well. He made disgusting comments and allegations accusing Liverpool fans of rioting outside the stadium which led to innocent people passing away.  How he can he be allowed to get away with comments such as that.

[Craig67]

You see this type of comment under any article on Hillsborough you read. Shocking ignorance or just downright blinkered views from people who don’t want to accept the truth.

This decision stinks and I feel for the families and survivors.

At least the HIP findings and the new inquest have brought to light what actually happened, but it seems, only to those who want to see it. To get no criminal justice for countless criminal acts is a disgrace.

Yeah - for some reason though, it felt even more sickening when it came from someone who in the same breath was banging on about facts and evidence. 

[24/7]

A public inquiry before a High Court judge, with no legal obligation to tell the truth.


Let's see that being applied to the general public rather than the establishment.  I won't hold my breath.

One thing to note - in their crowing about how there's no legal requirement to tell the truth to an Inquest, by definition they are admitting that their clients not only lied but they were entitled to.

Let the public make up their own minds on that point.......

[redtel]

But expert witness Sir Robert Francis QC told the jury there was no legal duty of candour for police at a public inquiry.

So we can discount anything said at future public enquiries as we won’t know the difference between who is lying and who isn’t.

The findings of future public enquiries will be difficult to assess not to mention write up.

[24/7]

It's almost as if the establishment would prefer public enquiries to be irrelevant. How handy a precedent does today set, what with BoJo and his cronies staring down the barrel of public scrutiny right now? Surely there's no coincidence there, surely not, nooo.........

[Barneylfc∗]

Absolutely disgusting. I expected this, but still not any less angry.

[DangerScouse]

No words......

Sickening.

[24/7]

Absolutely disgusting. I expected this, but still not any less angry.

Did you expect acquittal on the technicality that it's okay to lie in a public enquiry........?

[Ghost Town]

[Commie Bobbie]

It's almost as if the establishment would prefer public enquiries to be irrelevant. How handy a precedent does today set, what with BoJo and his cronies staring down the barrel of public scrutiny right now? Surely there's no coincidence there, surely not, nooo.........

If you want justice due to a establishment cover up - the only course of action avaliable is Direct.

The Justice System is bent.

Orgreave, Hillsborough, Grenfell coming down the road and no doubt Covid.

Scum Protect Scum.

Solidarity, love and support as always to the families and friends of the 96, those taken since and finally and always the 96.

Never Forgotten.

Never Forget, Never Forgive.

[Mr Kipling]

Fucking raging

https://twitter.com/julesspaceman/status/1397521009541066754

[Millie]

Did you expect acquittal on the technicality that it's okay to lie in a public enquiry........?

I certainly didn't. 

On a personal note I was 27 years old when Hillsborough happened. My whole life ahead of me.  I am now 60 and have had my life totally consumed by Hillsborough. 

I just keep wondering, what would my life have been without this consuming me?