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« Reply #22680 on: May 23, 2019, 04:02:41 pm »
There will presumably be an exit poll though(?) which are usually very accurate.

So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

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« Reply #22681 on: May 23, 2019, 04:07:50 pm »
So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

Apparently not until Sunday as other countries still voting.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/exit-poll-european-elections-2019-16319615

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We'll be left without any insight or exit poll on Thursday night - despite polling stations closing at 10pm.

This is because although the UK is voting on Thursday, along with the Netherlands, the rest of the countries in the European Union are yet to cast their votes.

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« Reply #22682 on: May 23, 2019, 04:11:55 pm »
So, is there an exit poll? There are no Beeb news specials on the schedule.

It seems very low key, though there was a mini-rush on when i went to vote before work, it is the first election that i can recall at that polling station where there was not one representative of any political party outside.
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« Reply #22683 on: May 23, 2019, 04:57:18 pm »
Apparently not until Sunday as other countries still voting.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/exit-poll-european-elections-2019-16319615

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« Reply #22684 on: May 23, 2019, 05:58:41 pm »
She'll be there into mid-June and beyond. One last chance to push the Withdrawal Agreement. Peston reckons that it'll be 10th June for her to announce the leadership contest is formally open. I'd not bet on her keeping to any date she agrees to under duress.
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« Reply #22685 on: May 23, 2019, 06:01:46 pm »
How do I find out who's best to vote for to support remain. I assume as I'm in England it's the lib Dems.
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« Reply #22686 on: May 23, 2019, 06:12:55 pm »
How do I find out who's best to vote for to support remain. I assume as I'm in England it's the lib Dems.

Seeing some differing advice on how to vote tactically up here in Scotland. Am torn between voting SNP, Lib Dem or Greens.

https://www.remainunited.org/
https://www.remainvoter.com/how-to-vote-scotland
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/05/22/the-remain-strategy-region-by-region-voting-guide

All say different. Maybe smartest move is Dems but still not sure. Will head out shortly and just plump for one I suppose.

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« Reply #22687 on: May 23, 2019, 06:29:26 pm »
Have a look here mate.
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« Reply #22688 on: May 23, 2019, 06:48:18 pm »
It seems very low key, though there was a mini-rush on when i went to vote before work, it is the first election that i can recall at that polling station where there was not one representative of any political party outside.

They should be banned from being there at any election.

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« Reply #22689 on: May 23, 2019, 08:17:30 pm »
Anybody got a link to that article from a few months ago that slammed May?  Matthew Paris in the Times wasn't it?  Friend of mine is interested in it, but I haven't got a clue which page it's on in this thread.  Thanks!
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« Reply #22690 on: May 23, 2019, 08:21:27 pm »
Anybody got a link to that article from a few months ago that slammed May?  Matthew Paris in the Times wasn't it?  Friend of mine is interested in it, but I haven't got a clue which page it's on in this thread.  Thanks!

Is this what you mean?



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« Reply #22691 on: May 23, 2019, 08:22:20 pm »
Have a look here mate.

Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now. :(
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« Reply #22692 on: May 23, 2019, 08:26:05 pm »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now. :(

Don't worry too much. At least it's not a vote that can be misinterpreted as a pro-Brexit one.

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« Reply #22693 on: May 23, 2019, 08:26:39 pm »
Is this what you mean?

Yeah, that was it, thanks!
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« Reply #22694 on: May 23, 2019, 08:39:13 pm »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I don't think it's dodgy at all. He's put a bit of distance between the worse excesses of UKIP , and created a party for the Brexiteers of all flavours. He's gamed the system all right, but nothing at all wrong with what he's done ( well, obviously a LOT wrong) . I don't think he's using dodgy funds or anything like that if  that's what you mean.  Well he might be of course, but I can see his party getting a lot of votes with even mimimal spend.
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« Reply #22695 on: May 23, 2019, 08:39:50 pm »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

He's a magnet for Tory protest votes - at the time the party is coming apart over Brexit - and him and his lot have completely outmaneuvered the other parties; they were prepping for this back in November while everyone else looks like they've turned up the week before, with next to no time or plan to avoid splitting the Remain vote. Pretty typical of how Western democracies have taken the status quo for granted, unprepared and slow to react to the rise of populist right-wing politics.

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« Reply #22696 on: May 23, 2019, 08:47:54 pm »
I don't think it's dodgy at all. He's put a bit of distance between the worse excesses of UKIP , and created a party for the Brexiteers of all flavours. He's gamed the system all right, but nothing at all wrong with what he's done ( well, obviously a LOT wrong) . I don't think he's using dodgy funds or anything like that if  that's what you mean.  Well he might be of course, but I can see his party getting a lot of votes with even mimimal spend.
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« Reply #22697 on: May 23, 2019, 08:49:25 pm »


(Frottage - not you ;D :wave )

Thanks for making that clear ;D
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« Reply #22698 on: May 23, 2019, 08:57:13 pm »
Two words - emotional manipulation. Two more - social engineering. Shrewd, wily, cunning - but not clever or smart. "Insidious" springs to mind. "The slimy twat" also springs to mind......

(Frottage - not you ;D :wave )

If times were not depressing enough, you have highlighted the fact that by far and away the most skilled, charismatic and cunning politician of the current era is a complete and utter charlatan and chancer.

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« Reply #22699 on: May 23, 2019, 09:09:13 pm »
He's a magnet for Tory protest votes - at the time the party is coming apart over Brexit - and him and his lot have completely outmaneuvered the other parties; they were prepping for this back in November while everyone else looks like they've turned up the week before, with next to no time or plan to avoid splitting the Remain vote. Pretty typical of how Western democracies have taken the status quo for granted, unprepared and slow to react to the rise of populist right-wing politics.

Yeah, yours and PaulF's answers make a lot of sense.  You would think after three fucking years the Remainers would have their shit together by now instead of squabbling over the seating arrangements at the table.  :butt
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« Reply #22700 on: May 24, 2019, 12:14:29 am »
We are in for a few twists and turns yet, best laid plans and all that.
A new Tory leader won't alter the arithmetic in parliament, MPs are against a no deal. theres only 1 way of changing this and thats another GE. let the voters kick out the traitors stopping us leaving the EU. I think a lot of Tory MPs fearing loosing their seat will argue this point when supporting a no confidence vote in the government. great news for remain voters. let the Brexit party split the vote in a GE. am sure the remain parties will get their act together for a GE , this is the vote that really matters. let UKIP. Tories + the Brexit party take votes off eachother they will not compromise to win seats for leave. I think Corbyn may get his GE by the end of the year but he will not like the outcome.
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« Reply #22701 on: May 24, 2019, 06:38:22 am »
I always felt that if May went that a second vote would be more likely under a new PM. However I firmly believe that any second vote now will have No Deal on the ballot paper.

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22702 on: May 24, 2019, 06:44:35 am »
let UKIP. Tories + the Brexit party take votes off eachother they will not compromise to win seats for leave.

Depending on the Tory leader I assume an electoral pact would be discussed. With The Brexit Party at least, I think UKIP are done. Even if there is nothing formal I'd think the BP wouldn't stand candidates in places where known committed Brexiters are standing (ERG, Hoey etc).
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« Reply #22703 on: May 24, 2019, 07:36:30 am »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now. :(
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« Reply #22704 on: May 24, 2019, 08:34:00 am »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now. :(

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« Reply #22705 on: May 24, 2019, 08:44:23 am »
Fucking hell those predictions look grim.  How the fucking can Nigel Fucking Farrage just conjure up a new Brexit party out of think fucking air and have it on course for so many fucking seats!?  That has GOT to be dodgy as fuck!

I voted Green, but looking at those web pages I'm worried I made a mistake now. :(

Simple, the majority of the country are small minded knob heads.

Ive said it loads of times in discussions with mates who think like the majority of people on here....remember this..we are the minority ..being from Liverpool or in a fan community like ours you can forget that and that means in a democracy  where the majority willingly accept..no..embrace!..the shite they are fed.....We Lose.

Time for the left and liberals wake up, stop just saying ' Right wing politics is bad'..cos a lot of people clearly see it as ' the way out' from their own issues...the Left and Liberals are not offering an action a 'do something' to address the current issues  a lot of people think 'matter'...the whole remain/labour approach has failed becouse they think people will ' wake up' to idiocy of the right...they are not offering asperation or change that the right is seducing the country with.

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« Reply #22706 on: May 24, 2019, 08:59:27 am »
As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

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« Reply #22707 on: May 24, 2019, 09:29:28 am »
i voted last night and couldnt tell you the name of the person

was simply a case of not voting uup, dup, sdlp, sinn fein or tories (didnt have a labour candidate)

went alliance, green and independent

was more a case of who NOT to vote for
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« Reply #22708 on: May 24, 2019, 09:29:56 am »
As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

I think Frottage is more than 'annoying' . But isnt saying hope the BP stand ( I presume to split the Tory vote you mean) is exaclty where labour have been failing..lets sit back and let the Torys fuck up and we step in....biggest mess the Torys have ever been in ever!!!....and Labour look no more likely to win a GE than they ever have. Kinnock done the same under Thatcher ' working people wont support her  policies we just have to wait till the people realise'....Brexit Party wont take votes from hard core Torys in a GE they will from UKIP ,Old School working class  Labour etc...

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« Reply #22709 on: May 24, 2019, 09:30:16 am »
As annoying as Frottage is, I hope the Brexit party stand for any general election. He will be incredibly useful.

Yeah another party splitting the stupid/racist right wing voters may not be a bad thing.

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« Reply #22710 on: May 24, 2019, 09:53:33 am »
i voted last night and couldnt tell you the name of the person

was simply a case of not voting uup, dup, sdlp, sinn fein or tories (didnt have a labour candidate)

went alliance, green and independent

was more a case of who NOT to vote for

Really hope Alliance can get that third seat - think it would be a big statement for NI.

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« Reply #22711 on: May 24, 2019, 09:59:11 am »
i voted last night and couldnt tell you the name of the person

was simply a case of not voting uup, dup, sdlp, sinn fein or tories (didnt have a labour candidate)

went alliance, green and independent

was more a case of who NOT to vote for

Naomi Long was the Alliance candidate. She's a good representative and Claire Bailey from the Greens is also amazing. Both got my vote too.

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« Reply #22712 on: May 24, 2019, 10:01:22 am »
I think Frottage is more than 'annoying' . But isnt saying hope the BP stand ( I presume to split the Tory vote you mean) is exaclty where labour have been failing..lets sit back and let the Torys fuck up and we step in....biggest mess the Torys have ever been in ever!!!....and Labour look no more likely to win a GE than they ever have. Kinnock done the same under Thatcher ' working people wont support her  policies we just have to wait till the people realise'....Brexit Party wont take votes from hard core Torys in a GE they will from UKIP ,Old School working class  Labour etc...

As I said earlier the Left need to wake up and offer more than just saying, look at them arent they bad and assume people will vote Labour.

The reason why the Right is rising ( across Europe)  is that coherent, relatable, asperational left wing politics to change society for the better for working people  has evapourated in a melange of liberal issues that whilst important do not resonate with the majority of peoples lives......its created a political void for the Right to walk into.

Of course, thats the ideal. But we can either cross our fingers and hope our wishes of a utopia come true or accept the situation as it is now.  We need the Tories out of office. They have been able to consolidate the entire right wing vote around them these past 2 general elections.

Labour reached its peak 2 years ago and the reality is that its very unlikely to deliver as many votes. We need another right wing party to split the vote and Frottage is really good at getting those votes away from the Tories and to his lot.

I voted Lib Dem in the Euro elections but I am going to be voting Labour in the next general election. I want the Tories out and any help that Labour can get in fragmenting the right wing vote the way the left wing vote is fragmented, the better.
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« Reply #22713 on: May 24, 2019, 10:04:22 am »
Steve Baker mulling over a leadership bid, as Boris and Raab just not hardcore enough leavers.

Come on Mark Francois, throw that hat into the ring!
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22714 on: May 24, 2019, 10:08:26 am »
7th June then. She's gone.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22715 on: May 24, 2019, 10:09:04 am »
Steve Baker mulling over a leadership bid, as Boris and Raab just not hardcore enough leavers.

Come on Mark Francois, throw that hat into the ring!

Well his Dad was at Agincourt!
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22716 on: May 24, 2019, 10:11:13 am »
She's barking mad isn't she?

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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22717 on: May 24, 2019, 10:11:13 am »
It's nice that she's talking about compromise and the achievements on equality and discrimination.

I missed the bit at the start though - who's she talking about?
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« Reply #22718 on: May 24, 2019, 10:12:26 am »
Delusional.
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Re: Brexit thread - Rocky Horror Brexit Shitshow Hallowe'en Special!
« Reply #22719 on: May 24, 2019, 10:12:48 am »
Me, me, I,