Topic: Arsenal

[Lusty]

It’s quietly become a long time. Such a powerhouse at one point. The difference in Liverpool’s drought is that it began prior to the dawn of the Premier League so were not even part of the new order. Liverpool’s heyday was in old money; Arsenal can, at least, recall triumphs in the modern era. I think that’s part of the reason Arsenal going without a title isn’t the same.

I don't remember our drought being a thing until after Istanbul, then it became a way to diminish all our trophy wins from 2001-2005. We'd won everything there was to win in that time apart from the league so it became an easy response.

Since Arsenal aren't going to win the European Cup any time soon I don't think they'll have that problem. Although, maybe if they keep hoovering up FA Cup wins and getting cocky about it then it might get brought up.

[mickeydocs]

It’s quietly become a long time. Such a powerhouse at one point. The difference in Liverpool’s drought is that it began prior to the dawn of the Premier League so were not even part of the new order. Liverpool’s heyday was in old money; Arsenal can, at least, recall triumphs in the modern era. I think that’s part of the reason Arsenal going without a title isn’t the same.

It will reach two decades without hardly a mention.

[The North Bank]

Don't think you will be signing him for £40 million Ndombele went for £50+ million and Aour is classes above Ndombele as a footballer. I think Lyon would be at least looking for £60 million and I would be extremely shocked if they sold him for anything below that figure.

Corona and them not being in Europe means they need money. Apparently they want 40m.

[El Lobo]

The excuses for finishing outside the top 4 are ever decreasing. If they sign Auoar and then don’t manage it that’s a monumental fail.

[Hedley Lamarr]

The excuses for finishing outside the top 4 are ever decreasing. If they sign Auoar and then don’t manage it that’s a monumental fail.

They'll manage to come up with something,  they'll probably still blame Emery.

[PeterTheRed ...]

The excuses for finishing outside the top 4 are ever decreasing. If they sign Auoar and then don’t manage it that’s a monumental fail.

Well, they are lucky that Man Utd and Chelsea have shit managers, and Maureen is years past his best. Still, it won't be easy for them.

[Crosby Nick]

It’s quietly become a long time. Such a powerhouse at one point. The difference in Liverpool’s drought is that it began prior to the dawn of the Premier League so were not even part of the new order. Liverpool’s heyday was in old money; Arsenal can, at least, recall triumphs in the modern era. I think that’s part of the reason Arsenal going without a title isn’t the same.

When they won it in 89 I think it was their first title since 1971. That felt like different generations, completely different eras. Doesn’t quite feel as long somehow since 2004 (technically because it isn’t   ), but you’re right I think that stil broadly feels part of the same era.  Probably something to do with me being a kid back then and an old bastard now.

[kloppagetime]

Corona and them not being in Europe means they need money. Apparently they want 40m.

Wow that's cheap would be a brilliant signing for you guys as I was seriously impressed with him in the Champions League last season.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Nice to see Redundancy FC finding £40m for a footballer, that couldn't be found for their employees.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Aouar should be a good signing for them. It will be interesting to see who drops out of their midfield, if Arteta contunues to use the 3-4-3.

[El Lobo]

Nice to see Redundancy FC finding £40m for a footballer, that couldn't be found for their employees.

It’s odd but you don’t hear much about that anymore do you?

[Ghost Town]

Nice to see Redundancy FC finding £40m for a footballer, that couldn't be found for their employees.

It’s odd but you don’t hear much about that anymore do you?

Unfortunately it's standard business (capitalist) practice to reduce wage and labour costs while investing in plant and machinery. And that's what players are: assets not staff. We're inured to expect that from businesses so after an initial PR kerfuffle it just becomes expected because its normalised.

[Ghost Town]

Anyway I prefer Arsenal to Utd or Chelsea, even with a Mysteron-possessed Lego figure in charge, so anything that makes them relatively stronger and able to give our rivals a better game is probably a good thing.

We can't buy every player

[DangerScouse]

The excuses for finishing outside the top 4 are ever decreasing. If they sign Auoar and then don’t manage it that’s a monumental fail.

Hardly given how much Chelsea and United have invested in the last few years.

[El Lobo]

Hardly given how much Chelsea and United have invested in the last few years.

If they sign Aouar for £40 million they’ll have a higher net spend than United over the last three seasons.

[DangerScouse]

If they sign Aouar for £40 million they’ll have a higher net spend than United over the last three seasons.

And that ridiculous argument was used to denigrate us too. Their starting point is much lower which is a very significant factor.

[El Lobo]

And that ridiculous argument was used to denigrate us too. Their starting point is much lower which is a very significant factor.

 

They finished above United two years ago, with arguably a better squad, have had better managers than Smeagol in that time and will have spent more money (net or gross) if Aouar signs. They’re the form team in the league, have the form player in Aubameyang and are spending a lot of money. It’s natural for any fanbase to downplay their chances but it’s a big failing on their part if they’re not back in the CL next season.

[Fitzy.]

When they won it in 89 I think it was their first title since 1971. That felt like different generations, completely different eras. Doesn’t quite feel as long somehow since 2004 (technically because it isn’t   ), but you’re right I think that stil broadly feels part of the same era.  Probably something to do with me being a kid back then and an old bastard now.

Agree. Also, Arsenal didn’t dominate for an era whereas Liverpool did so the drop off was stunningly dramatic compared to Arsenal.

[mickeydocs]

Constantly see their alleged lack of players as justification for playing a timid defensive game. IMHO Klopp inherited a far greater mess with a weaker squad and never used that as an excuse for 10 behind the ball, in fact he did the opposite and went for the throat.

[Chris~]

Constantly see their alleged lack of players as justification for playing a timid defensive game. IMHO Klopp inherited a far greater mess with a weaker squad and never used that as an excuse for 10 behind the ball, in fact he did the opposite and went for the throat.

Arteta is a Moyes disciple so not that surprising

[ScottishGoon]

If they sign Aouar for £40 million they’ll have a higher net spend than United over the last three seasons.

We're not signing Aouar, or Partey, or anyone else for that matter without getting some players out the door. We don't have the money, or the squad places. Some or all of Torriera, Sokratis, Mustafi, Kolasniac, Chambers, Guendouzi, Balogun will join Martinez out the door either permanently or on loan.

Constantly see their alleged lack of players as justification for playing a timid defensive game. IMHO Klopp inherited a far greater mess with a weaker squad and never used that as an excuse for 10 behind the ball, in fact he did the opposite and went for the throat.

Constantly seeing this point as well. It's like becoming a bit more organised & more difficult to play against is now translated as having 10 behind the ball. We did the Emirates game against you guys because we paid you too much respect but also because you have the ability to push teams back & pin them in. With Thiago added you now have another weapon & the ultimate possession recycler to do so even more, so perhaps you are doing yourself an injustice if you are judging it from these games.

People also need to remember we are playing with the likes of Luiz & Xhaka still as the spine of the team. You'd need to be pretty silly if you want to push up & play a high line with open & expansive football against the better teams when that's still the case.

[Dim Glas]

Nice to see Redundancy FC finding £40m for a footballer, that couldn't be found for their employees.

it’s impressive, as has been the narative for a while now that they don’t have much to spend on transfers - yet each window are splashing plenty of cash around on new players.

[newterp]

I remember Torreira - he was the next big thing (small thing height wise) - a bulldog, a midfield start, the solution to all the problems.....selling him already?

[ScottishGoon]

I remember Torreira - he was the next big thing (small thing height wise) - a bulldog, a midfield start, the solution to all the problems.....selling him already?

Emery seemed to drive the form out him by moving him from the number 6 position and trying to play him further forward almost as a number 10. Its fair to say that didn't work.

He also seems to make noise fairly often about moving back to Italy or Spain so Im not sure he feels totally settled here.

He's a good player, we just seem to have never played a system that really suited him like he played at Sampdoria or like he does with Uruguay.

[mickeydocs]

People also need to remember we are playing with the likes of Luiz & Xhaka still as the spine of the team.

As opposed to Skrtel and Joe Allen.

[ScottishGoon]

As opposed to Skrtel and Joe Allen.

Don't think Joe Allen was a mainstay under Klopp like Xhaka is under Arteta.

Also don't think you can compare Klopp to Arteta as managers either, considering 1 is less than 30 games into his career, & the other is the best manager in the world.

[4pool]

AFTV Robbie and Emile Heskey discuss our match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2RMEuECdI

[The North Bank]

If we sign Aouar, I expect top 4 and a trophy this season (Even if its a trophy thats beneath most liverpool fans, I cant celebrate trophyless seasons)

[Dim Glas]

If we sign Aouar, I expect top 4 and a trophy this season (Even if its a trophy thats beneath most liverpool fans, I cant celebrate trophyless seasons)

Behave yourself.

[Hedley Lamarr]

If we sign Aouar, I expect top 4 and a trophy this season (Even if its a trophy thats beneath most liverpool fans, I cant celebrate trophyless seasons)

And when you don't get it ?

[Ghost Town]

If we sign Aouar, I expect top 4 and a trophy this season (Even if its a trophy thats beneath most liverpool fans, I cant celebrate trophyless seasons)

Not most, maybe some.

Every trophy is worthwhile to me, and to virtually every Liverpool fan I know in real life. I accept there are some who seem to play a console game, or a game of bragging rights, with their support and so don't seem to count certain trophies as worthwhile if they can't use them for one-upmanship or bantz, but I think that type fan can be found with all clubs.

I hope we go far in every trophy, try to win them all. If Arsenal wins any trophy you'll get my congratulations, as you did with the FA Cup a few weeks ago.

[The North Bank]

And when you don't get it ?

If, it would be like Liverpool not winning the league this season. Disappointing.

[The North Bank]

Not most, maybe some.

Every trophy is worthwhile to me, and to virtually every Liverpool fan I know in real life. I accept there are some who seem to play a console game, or a game of bragging rights, with their support and so don't seem to count certain trophies as worthwhile if they can't use them for one-upmanship or bantz, but I think that type fan can be found with all clubs.

I hope we go far in every trophy, try to win them all. If Arsenal wins any trophy you'll get my congratulations, as you did with the FA Cup a few weeks ago.

If you knock us out of the carabao, I would hope you go on to win it. Ole lampard and spurs never winning anything is a nice record that should remain as long as possible.

[Tobelius]

AFTV Robbie and Emile Heskey discuss our match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj2RMEuECdI

Thanks for that mate,i thought Heskey talked a lot of sense there.

[Bullet500]

It’s quietly become a long time. Such a powerhouse at one point. The difference in Liverpool’s drought is that it began prior to the dawn of the Premier League so were not even part of the new order. Liverpool’s heyday was in old money; Arsenal can, at least, recall triumphs in the modern era. I think that’s part of the reason Arsenal going without a title isn’t the same.

I don't know. To me it feels the same.

We haven't had a quality team in the last decade, that's why.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Constantly see their alleged lack of players as justification for playing a timid defensive game. IMHO Klopp inherited a far greater mess with a weaker squad and never used that as an excuse for 10 behind the ball, in fact he did the opposite and went for the throat.

To be fair, Arsenal have played all or nothing football for the better part of two and a half decades. Besides the success in the beginning, it hasn’t amounted to much the last 10-15 years.

I think if there are teams to laugh at in London, Arsenal is surely well down the list this season. Not that they have to be likeable by any measure, but pragmatic football suits that team. Aubameyang works wonders as a counterattacking footballer, if you are going to build a team around him, you would play to his strengths and not his weaknesses.

[Dim Glas]

Definition of insanity - Arsenal’s goal kicks.

It’d drive me mad having to watch that nonsense every week.

[El Lobo]

Definition of insanity - Arsenal’s goal kicks.

It’d drive me mad having to watch that nonsense every week.

Their goal kicks or just their general tactics? Or both

It’s particularly odd when they haven’t even got the players for it. Luiz obviously has a great pass on him but Holding looks so unsuited to that sort of thing.

[Hedley Lamarr]

Definition of insanity - Arsenal’s goal kicks.

It’d drive me mad having to watch that nonsense every week.

It was just absurd.  They basically gave us the ball back every time they had a goal kick.

[Dim Glas]

Their goal kicks or just their general tactics? Or both

It’s particularly odd when they haven’t even got the players for it. Luiz obviously has a great pass on him but Holding looks so unsuited to that sort of thing.

well yeah generally come to think of it 

But watching those goal kicks would push me over the edge.