Topic: Sergio Canales

[pinky]

Sport is a pro-Barcelona tabloid, they have no access to leakings coming from Real Madrid. In fact, every bit of news on Madrid is taken as a bit of a joke. They are known as some kind of comic generally, but it's even more patent while talking about the main rival club.

[Azi]

would signing him be the end of pachecho ?

[pinky]

That's what I said at the time.

Pinky thought it was funny back then

Now she says "it's normal, because Ozil is so good" A young talent without big name was never going to be a starter in Madrid.

Time proved you wrong then.

Because all of Khedira, Benzema, Di Maria and Özil don't regret having joined for obvious reasons and Canales is very happy according to his own words. With Leon being the only exception.

So yeah, it was funny back at the time and it's even funnier now.

[Aristotle]

would signing him be the end of pachecho ?

I rate Pacheco an' all but if we got Canales for 6m I'll swim across the Atlantic, down to Spain and carry him on my back to Melwood

[MBL?]

I haven't seen anything from Canales that says he anything more than a good prospect.

[pinky]

And before Pinky comes and starts referring to
No, Madrid did not develop any of them. How much they cost? How long they played with their previous teams? Benzema, Di Maria and Ozil were France, Argentina and Germany NT players and they cost $$$. Madrid didn't develop anything.

Canales should have spent some time with a club like Villarreal or Sevilla for 1-2 seasons to get more mature. Or Arsenal

Higuain was very developed at Madrid. Watch his first games on the wing and you will know what I talk about. His style is completely different.

Marcelo, the biggest example, not to mention Casillas.

Di Maria and Özil are far better players now than they were when they joined Madrid.

Khedira, young and starter, also proved you wrong.

Benzema was promising at Lyon but Madrid is a completely new dimension, it took him 1 year and half to progress. Now he's scary. He's developed, like it or not.

And they are all young. I am pretty sure you would have used them as an example had they failed, so it's fair I use them as an example of the contrary. After all, it was yourself the one mentioning them.

Not to mention Madrid has the youngest squad in the league. Your post was totally wrong. Has Granero failed too? Depends. He's a very useful squad player. If it's just about being definite starters, then it's obvious 14 guys out of 25 will fail. But that's not how things work.

[Filler.]

We really do need to get used to the idea that we will be 'linked' occasionally to any half decent player that's ever kicked a ball for the next few months. Taking it with a pinch of salt being a good way to start things. We're all salivating for no reason at all.

[C]

I haven't seen anything from Canales that says he anything more than a good prospect.

Mate at the end of last season, at 18 he was THE key player in keeping Racing up, he shown every attribute you'd need to succeed at a top club, vision, pace and incredible finishing technique (lob volleys, 1 on1 finishes et al)

He's more than a good prospect, if we were to sign him it would be the absolute end for Pacheco

[DM Red]

^^cant we have both?

[C]

Of course we could but what would be the point, Meireles and Canales - plus Suso will be on his way through in a few years time

[Rohit]

Higuain was very developed at Madrid. Watch his first games on the wing and you will know what I talk about. His style is completely different.

Marcelo, the biggest example, not to mention Casillas.

Di Maria and Özil are far better players now than they were when they joined Madrid.

Khedira, young and starter, also proved you wrong.

Benzema was promising at Lyon but Madrid is a completely new dimension, it took him 1 year and half to progress. Now he's scary. He's developed, like it or not.

And they are all young. I am pretty sure you would have used them as an example had they failed, so it's fair I use them as an example of the contrary. After all, it was yourself the one mentioning them.

Not to mention Madrid has the youngest squad in the league. Your post was totally wrong. Has Granero failed too? Depends. He's a very useful squad player. If it's just about being definite starters, then it's obvious 14 guys out of 25 will fail. But that's not how things work.

wasn't Higuain more of a playmaking forward before anyway rather than the beastily finisher he is now?

[Xxavi]

I disagree, Pinky.

Those players aren't better than what they were a year ago. It's just that you/me didn't watch Ozil, Khedira etc. before.

Anyway, the point is, Canales is degrading quickly. It's incredible how fast it is happening. He was tearing it up at a professional level for Racing, and he looked head and shoulders above other youngsters together with Thiago Alcantara when playing for Spanish youth sides. The other day, I watched Spain U21 vs France U21, and Canales was much less outstanding. He still had nice control and some good passes, but it just seems different now.

He has to get out of there ASAP. He might just ruin his career with his stupidity like many, including Granero whom I rated when he played for Getafe.

[synthesis]

Higuain was very developed at Madrid. Watch his first games on the wing and you will know what I talk about. His style is completely different.

Marcelo, the biggest example, not to mention Casillas.

Di Maria and Özil are far better players now than they were when they joined Madrid.

Khedira, young and starter, also proved you wrong.

Benzema was promising at Lyon but Madrid is a completely new dimension, it took him 1 year and half to progress. Now he's scary. He's developed, like it or not.

And they are all young. I am pretty sure you would have used them as an example had they failed, so it's fair I use them as an example of the contrary. After all, it was yourself the one mentioning them.

Not to mention Madrid has the youngest squad in the league. Your post was totally wrong. Has Granero failed too? Depends. He's a very useful squad player. If it's just about being definite starters, then it's obvious 14 guys out of 25 will fail. But that's not how things work.

Di Maria? Ozil? Khedira? .. how? They've just settled in, is all.

[Suspect Package.]

Di Maria and Özil are far better players now than they were when they joined Madrid.

Khedira, young and starter, also proved you wrong.

Benzema was promising at Lyon but Madrid is a completely new dimension, it took him 1 year and half to progress. Now he's scary. He's developed, like it or not.

No offence, but this is really a case of rose-tinted glasses.

None of these players have been developed at Real.

[Suspect Package.]

I'd take Canales here in a shot but don't bother getting excited, cause it's never gonna happen.

[pinky]

wasn't Higuain more of a playmaking forward before anyway rather than the beastily finisher he is now?

Yes, kind of.

I disagree, Pinky.

Those players aren't better than what they were a year ago. It's just that you/me didn't watch Ozil, Khedira etc. before.

I watched Ozil and Di Maria in the begining of the season and they are much better now. Ozil was brilliant at times but tended to dissappear from games during great periods of time. Now he's more consistent, pulling the strings more regularly, providing pause, he's turned out to be the compass in the team and if you saw a compilation of his games in Germany you will check that he also improved his finishing. Di Maria has also improved, not only he looks more complete individually, he's also more of a worker and solid in the midfield position. I guess they are very lucky to have Mourinho as coach. Not sure if they would have become what they are now with Pellegrini there for instance.

Now, if that's not developing/improving then tell me what it is.

Also consider that pressure in Madrid is massive. Zidane or Redondo were criticized in some patches of their careers there. It's a completely new dimension we talk about.

Benzema has been very poor for one year and a half and has been playing great for months now. He didn't develop either? Come on. It's not a case of red-tinted glasses but glasses alone.

Also, admit that you would have quickly named them all had they failed, so it was always going to be a win-win situation, for you, on your logic of course. Had Canales triumphed and been given minutes you would have said he was doing well at Racing last season.

The way you guys talk it seems players can only be developed in Academies, and they don't get to learn anything past an age.

Also, for the record, what did you say about Marcelo some months ago? If I recall correctly you stated that he would be a failure also. Funny this, last news we have is that he was MVP vs Lyon in a CL round from left back position, and that Mourinho rates him very highly.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

AS reported this morning that we, Arsenal and Chelsea are interested and despite the fact that he said he'd love to stay at Madrid, he is more likely not to play at the Bernabeu next season.

Could be a steal for us if he would come with less than 10M.

[Graham Smith]

AS reported this morning that we, Arsenal and Chelsea are interested and despite the fact that he said he'd love to stay at Madrid, he is more likely not to play at the Bernabeu next season.

Could be a steal for us if he would come with less than 10M.

This is where the true value of being in a good quality European competition comes into it - we'd be very much third favourite in my view.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

This is where the true value of being in a good quality European competition comes into it - we'd be very much third favourite in my view.

But if he leaves Madrid because he can't get any game time, then I think coming to Chelsea or Arsenal would mean he won't get as many games as he'd like. Getting game time might be the key for him to come to us.

[Brook]

it's refreshing to be linked with the likes of canales, hazard, pastore, m'villa, rather than c.cole, pfk, bobby "the man" zamora, just a few months back.

[jotirori]

It is obvious that Canales will leave real next season.My guess is that  he will stay in Spain on loan unless Chelsea for instance, were very very interested on him.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Higuain was very developed at Madrid. Watch his first games on the wing and you will know what I talk about. His style is completely different.

Marcelo, the biggest example, not to mention Casillas.

Di Maria and Özil are far better players now than they were when they joined Madrid.

Khedira, young and starter, also proved you wrong.

Benzema was promising at Lyon but Madrid is a completely new dimension, it took him 1 year and half to progress. Now he's scary. He's developed, like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzmEL6X2oY

[mig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzmEL6X2oY

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbzmEL6X2oY

What an insightful and completely magnificent post you did here. Sometimes I wonder if you just post for the sake of increasing your post count.

Can you please elaborate what does this have anything to do with the thread.

[pinky]

What an insightful and completely magnificent post you did here. Sometimes I wonder if you just post for the sake of increasing your post count.

Can you please elaborate what does this have anything to do with the thread.

It just means it's a troll, a bored one, and doesn't have anything interesting to say. I'd rather not answer or try reasoning with one, it's not really worth it.

[Xxavi]

Yes, kind of.

I watched Ozil and Di Maria in the begining of the season and they are much better now. Ozil was brilliant at times but tended to dissappear from games during great periods of time. Now he's more consistent, pulling the strings more regularly, providing pause, he's turned out to be the compass in the team and if you saw a compilation of his games in Germany you will check that he also improved his finishing. Di Maria has also improved, not only he looks more complete individually, he's also more of a worker and solid in the midfield position. I guess they are very lucky to have Mourinho as coach. Not sure if they would have become what they are now with Pellegrini there for instance.

Now, if that's not developing/improving then tell me what it is.

Also consider that pressure in Madrid is massive. Zidane or Redondo were criticized in some patches of their careers there. It's a completely new dimension we talk about.

Benzema has been very poor for one year and a half and has been playing great for months now. He didn't develop either? Come on. It's not a case of red-tinted glasses but glasses alone.

Also, admit that you would have quickly named them all had they failed, so it was always going to be a win-win situation, for you, on your logic of course. Had Canales triumphed and been given minutes you would have said he was doing well at Racing last season.

The way you guys talk it seems players can only be developed in Academies, and they don't get to learn anything past an age.

Also, for the record, what did you say about Marcelo some months ago? If I recall correctly you stated that he would be a failure also. Funny this, last news we have is that he was MVP vs Lyon in a CL round from left back position, and that Mourinho rates him very highly.

OK, the reason why Di Maria, Khedira and Ozil look better now than what they looked at the start of season can be easily explained by the fact that it was a completely new league, a new team, a new tactics, a new coach etc. It has almost nothing to do with the quality of players. Ozil was one of the leaders of Germany NT, and played in World Cup semi-final because he was that good. Madrid didn't do anything in contribution to that.

To talk about their development, you have to have watched what they were before, and I doubt you did.

Benzema? Well, Benzema looked bad for Madrid, but even current Benzema is not as good as what he was at his best for Lyon. I remember watching Lyon matches and thinking "this kid is going to be a Ballon D'Or contender". I may have stated that on this forum as well, I really wanted Barca to get him. IMO, even now, he isn't at the same level what he was at Lyon. He was carrying Lyon to Champions League quarter finals. He was that good.

Your mistake is that you compare what Benzema was in his first year for Madrid and now. You compare what Ozil was in his first months for Madrid and what he is now. It's simply ridiculous.

We may then as well claim, as Barca, to have developed Ronaldinho. You know, that kid was a trouble at PSG and wasn't consistent. We improved him. Would you agree? I think that is not the case, Ronaldinho was brilliant even before and Barca didn't develop him.

One method, not always a good way, but still, is that you can look at how those guys were rated and how much they cost. Benzema cost 35 million euros not because he was a shit kid. He was a beast.

As for Marcelo, yes he has improved at Madrid. That much I will admit, but is that the only one you can come up with?

[pinky]

OK, the reason why Di Maria, Khedira and Ozil look better now than what they looked at the start of season can be easily explained by the fact that it was a completely new league, a new team, a new tactics, a new coach etc. It has almost nothing to do with the quality of players. Ozil was one of the leaders of Germany NT, and played in World Cup semi-final because he was that good. Madrid didn't do anything in contribution to that.

To talk about their development, you have to have watched what they were before, and I doubt you did.

I know people who did, some of them being proffessionals, and they think they have (Di Maria and Ozil that is) improved a lot.

Benzema? Well, Benzema looked bad for Madrid, but even current Benzema is not as good as what he was at his best for Lyon. I remember watching Lyon matches and thinking "this kid is going to be a Ballon D'Or contender". I may have stated that on this forum as well, I really wanted Barca to get him. IMO, even now, he isn't at the same level what he was at Lyon. He was carrying Lyon to Champions League quarter finals. He was that good.

No way he's worse than that now. We talk about a guy scoring in decisive games vs Sevilla, Atletico, Lyon, and some others in the league, scoring more goals than games he's played in, for weeks, No reason to be so radical in your arguments. You make it sound like he was a mature player ready to accept and win all challenges easily when he left Lyon. Nothing further from reality. He was far from being the finished product.

And one year and a half in a completely new, far more demanding enviroment is more than enough for me to make a judgment. Unless you want to equal pressure in Madrid and Lyon, or the Spanish league to the French league. In that case, I cannot do anything to convince you.

Your mistake is that you compare what Benzema was in his first year for Madrid and now. You compare what Ozil was in his first months for Madrid and what he is now. It's simply ridiculous.

Read above.

We may then as well claim, as Barca, to have developed Ronaldinho. You know, that kid was a trouble at PSG and wasn't consistent. We improved him. Would you agree? I think that is not the case, Ronaldinho was brilliant even before and Barca didn't develop him.

I don't have the information to judge it.

As for Marcelo, yes he has improved at Madrid. That much I will admit, but is that the only one you can come up with?

I mentioned Pipita also, and Casillas.

But wasn't your point that young players were going to die in Madrid? That you had to be a galactico ala Figo o Zidane to settle there? Time proved you wrong mate.

[lfc_fan2005]

I haven't seen anything from Canales that says he anything more than a good prospect.

Kind of agree with this. He has a lot of talent and is capable of creating things out of nothing, but there were still a good number of games for Racing last year that he just seemed to pass him by. Still, £6m could be worth the risk though.

[mbyx6cg2]

Wouldn't read too much into this £6m bollocks. This is the same newspaper that said Lucas was off in the summer for £3m