Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[Nick110581]

You mean the Police that work for the dodgy Cressida Dick?

Exactly this.

The Met are as corrupt as them.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

So what will it be then?

Will he resign voluntarily?
No confidence vote from the party?
Leadership challenge?
Forced to resign because he has (repeatedly) broken the Ministerial Code by misleading the house (which is a laugh because he does this on a weekly basis)

There's got to be a way of making it clear that just changing leader won't wash. The MPs and cabinet members that have enabled him and made excuses for him are just as guilty and should also pay the electoral price. The sooner we never have to face the realisation that the likes of Gove, Rees Mogg, Sunak, Truss, Patel are in power the better.

[Nick110581]

He’s cancelled his visits today as a family member got Covid.

What a coward.

Also, I didn’t think you had to self isolate in this scenario nowadays.

[Legs]

He’s cancelled his visits today as a family member got Covid.

What a coward.

Also, I didn’t think you had to self isolate in this scenario nowadays.

Yeah I thought that about self isolating too.

Starmer self isolated last week for same thing so maybe MPs do it !!!

[Nick110581]

Yeah I thought that about self isolating too.

Starmer self isolated last week for same thing so maybe MPs do it !!!

It is bullshit. General public would need to go to work.

[[new username under construction]]

is no one else being hammered for being at the party?

[lobsterboy]

is no one else being hammered for being at the party?

They were apparently so hammered at the party they forgot it was a party and need an official inquiry to see if there even was a party.

[Libertine]

is no one else being hammered for being at the party?

His spokesperson resigned for joking about the parties. Whereas everyone who organised and attended them seems to have gotten away with it.

[rob1966]

He’s cancelled his visits today as a family member got Covid.

What a coward.

Also, I didn’t think you had to self isolate in this scenario nowadays.

If you are fully jabbed, and boosted if needed, then no, you just need to do a daily LFT.

Not following the rules again

[thaddeus]

It is bullshit. General public would need to go to work.

I think he's technically right to cancel the trip but, knowing what we do about his general approach to Covid, it's clearly cowardice rather than any real concern for public health.  It's not a legal requirement but it's "strongly advised".

To further reduce the chance of passing COVID-19 on to others, you are strongly advised to:

- limit close contact with people outside your household, especially in crowded, enclosed or poorly ventilated spaces
- work from home if you are able to
- wear a face covering in crowded, enclosed or poorly ventilated spaces and where you are in close contact with other people
- limit contact with anyone who is at higher risk of severe illness if infected with COVID- 19

[Wabaloolah]

He’s cancelled his visits today as a family member got Covid.

What a coward.

Also, I didn’t think you had to self isolate in this scenario nowadays.

have they said which family member? He only lives with his missus and two of his offspring?  As you say probably all utter bullshit

[Nick110581]

have they said which family member? He only lives with his missus and two of his offspring?  As you say probably all utter bullshit

Because he is a fucking coward.

The general public would have to work!

[reddebs]

So if I threw or allowed a party at my house during lockdown but didn’t attend myself would I have broken the law? My assumption is yes. If that’s the case, while Johnson seems to be claiming I didn’t break the rules because I was in my own garden in my home, the fact a party was taking place in his home means he’s still broken the law?

Am I missing something?

Some legal guy on the radio the other day answered this by saying you'd be guilty of allowing somebody to break the rules 🤷

[Robinred]

The man is everything and more that’s been said about him - an utterly despicable chancer, charlatan and congenital liar.

But his appeal to non-Tories was his bigging up of the U.K, the promise of ‘levelling up’ and the notion that the austerity that characterised Cameron’s Premiership was to be reversed under his.

Anyone taking over is likely to revert to the small-state, tax increases, austerity model so loved by the hardcore of the Party. When the effects of Covid and Brexit are factored in, it might well be a very bleak future for the poorest.

In other words, his departure could make things worse.

[McSquared]

So what will it be then?

Will he resign voluntarily?
No confidence vote from the party?
Leadership challenge?
Forced to resign because he has (repeatedly) broken the Ministerial Code by misleading the house (which is a laugh because he does this on a weekly basis)

There's got to be a way of making it clear that just changing leader won't wash. The MPs and cabinet members that have enabled him and made excuses for him are just as guilty and should also pay the electoral price. The sooner we never have to face the realisation that the likes of Gove, Rees Mogg, Sunak, Truss, Patel are in power the better.

Reckon he will lie, bluff and bluster until people are forced to move on snd forget about it. Seems to be the way these days

[thaddeus]

The man is everything and more that’s been said about him - an utterly despicable chancer, charlatan and congenital liar.

But his appeal to non-Tories was his bigging up of the U.K, the promise of ‘levelling up’ and the notion that the austerity that characterised Cameron’s Premiership was to be reversed under his.

Anyone taking over is likely to revert to the small-state, tax increases, austerity model so loved by the hardcore of the Party. When the effects of Covid and Brexit are factored in, it might well be a very bleak future for the poorest.

In other words, his departure could make things worse.

Only if you believe any of Johnson's pledges regarding levelling up and the reversing of austerity.  As you say, he's a congenital liar that will say anything to advance his own prospects.

The pandemic has clearly impacted on the government's ability to progress other policies but the "levelling up" we have see can be characterised by:
- Continuing to cut funding to local authorities who in turn then reduce services (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/concerns-raised-government-funding-cornwall-6478074)
- Replacing EU funding with far reduced central government funding, if at all (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/cornwall-brexit-funding-eu-government-300631/)
- Scrapping the northern part of HS2
- Headline grabbing government funded schemes that don't touch the sides compared to what those areas have lost.  A few Łm here and there is nice for those particular projects but hundreds of billions are required.

The Tory approach to the Ł20 UC uplift suggests a pretty weak commitment to reversing austerity and pay rises in the public sector will be massively outstripped by inflation!

[Red Beret]

have they said which family member? He only lives with his missus and two of his offspring?  As you say probably all utter bullshit

His fourteenth cousin, twelve times removed, who he last saw seventeen years ago. But you can't be too careful... except when you're wandering around a hospital without a mask on of course.

[Dr. Beaker]

Just waiting for the video of Johnson and Sue Gray singing, 'I got you babe', at the number 10 karaoke. I wonder if even that would be enough.

[Kekule]

https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1481585655935389702?s=20   

Just seen that he also said on Newsnight that a review into whether the restrictions at the time were proportionate or not might form part of the inquiry.

That will go down well with the public.

[Wabaloolah]

https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1481585655935389702?s=20   

Just seen that he also said on Newsnight that a review into whether the restrictions at the time were proportionate or not might form part of the inquiry.

That will go down well with the public.

That's absolutely pathetic from Mogg, whether the rules were too strict or not is totally irrelevant, those were the rules and indeed the laws at the time and should have been adhered too.

I mean will people start arguing in court, yes your honour I did drink and drive but felt at the time that the laws were too harsh!

[thaddeus]

https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1481585655935389702?s=20   

Just seen that he also said on Newsnight that a review into whether the restrictions at the time were proportionate or not might form part of the inquiry.

That will go down well with the public.

Please let that be the get out of jail card they play.  Please, oh please.

The stink that will cause will be unreal.  The government will lose any credibility to impose any rules in the future.  The ambulance chasing legal eagles will be cold calling everyone to see if they were fined for breaking pandemic restrictions.  Any Tories that go along with it will forever coat themselves in Johnson's foul stench.  Sacrificing themselves and their party to cover for Johnson of all fucking people.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

John Crace
@JohnJCrace
Rees Mogg latest excuse for Boris. The measures in place were too harsh for people to be expected to obey them. Seriously


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They don't even realise they are scum do they?

I don't want him sacked or resigning. I want all the people at the party to serve time in jail for breaking the law.

[Dr. Beaker]

They're even thicker than we thought.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

John Crace
@JohnJCrace
Rees Mogg latest excuse for Boris. The measures in place were too harsh for people to be expected to obey them. Seriously


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They don't even realise they are scum do they?

I don't want him sacked or resigning. I want all the people at the party to serve time in jail for breaking the law.

Extremely thick or extremely arrogant.
Funny how they can rake over old decisions when it suits them, normally toddler haircut tells us we should all move on.

I mean, just when bereaved families have seen all the flagrant rule breaking. This gobshite tries to say the rules were too harsh.

Wonder how many fines/warnings/penalties will have to be rescinded?

Marina Hyde said that at the time of this party, a Met officer stopped her playing cricket in a park with her kids because cricket was sport not exercise.

Orwell was a genius. Animal farm has come true, even down to the pigs at the top.

[Wabaloolah]

Extremely thick or extremely arrogant.
Funny how they can rake over old decisions when it suits them, normally toddler haircut tells us we should all move on.

I mean, just when bereaved families have seen all the flagrant rule breaking. This gobshite tries to say the rules were too harsh.

Wonder how many fines/warnings/penalties will have to be rescinded?

Marina Hyde said that at the time of this party, a Met officer stopped her playing cricket in a park with her kids because cricket was sport not exercise.

Orwell was a genius. Animal farm has come true, even down to the pigs at the top.

With their time at college, pigs at the top is quite appropriate for their ilk

[lobsterboy]

They're even thicker than we thought.

They aren't thick, they are extremely cunning.
They've stolen billions from the public purse, took us out of the EU to protect tax avoidance and to remove many of the rights we enjoyed under membership.
Now they are busy changing the law to make it impossible to protest against them or possibly to vote them out.
Even Cameron got rich by accessing COVID money to prop up Greensill while it defrauded its investors.
They are scum but they are not thick. Definitely arrogant though. They continue to do as they like and push the boundaries of decency, all the while safe in the knowledge that as things stand, their privilege and position insulates them from any real accountability.

[lobsterboy]

Please let that be the get out of jail card they play.  Please, oh please.

The stink that will cause will be unreal.  The government will lose any credibility to impose any rules in the future.  The ambulance chasing legal eagles will be cold calling everyone to see if they were fined for breaking pandemic restrictions.  Any Tories that go along with it will forever coat themselves in Johnson's foul stench.  Sacrificing themselves and their party to cover for Johnson of all fucking people.

They won't be paying for it though will they. We will. Sue the government and it ultimately comes from money that would go on services.
They will carry on regardless. Tax havens are safe, the covid money has been pocketed, the positions on boards of directors are in place and the Knighthoods and honours will be forthcoming.

[Red-Soldier]

They aren't thick, they are extremely cunning.
They've stolen billions from the public purse, took us out of the EU to protect tax avoidance and to remove many of the rights we enjoyed under membership.
Now they are busy changing the law to make it impossible to protest against them or possibly to vote them out.
Even Cameron got rich by accessing COVID money to prop up Greensill while it defrauded its investors.
They are scum but they are not thick. They continue to do as they like and push the boundaries of decency, all the while safe in the knowledge that as things stand, their privilege and position insulates them from any real accountability.

 

[oldfordie]

They aren't thick, they are extremely cunning.
They've stolen billions from the public purse, took us out of the EU to protect tax avoidance and to remove many of the rights we enjoyed under membership.
Now they are busy changing the law to make it impossible to protest against them or possibly to vote them out.
Even Cameron got rich by accessing COVID money to prop up Greensill while it defrauded its investors.
They are scum but they are not thick. Definitely arrogant though. They continue to do as they like and push the boundaries of decency, all the while safe in the knowledge that as things stand, their privilege and position insulates them from any real accountability.

Yeah, they are corrupt and selfish, they have no decency, it is actually quiet hard to find the right arguments to defend the indefensible. they know their critics don't believe the bullshit but they are not trying to bullshit their critics, the aim is to bullshit their gullible supporters.
They have one big flaw though, they are arrogant, they have taken a lot of pleasure from conning the public as they think they are very clever people, this arrogance has given them a false sense of security. they thought they were untouchable, they never worried about how things looked, they believed a few words from Boris would be enough to satisfy their supporters.
I first noticed this self satisfied arrogance during the Brexit will of the people debates in Parliament, am convinced the whole of the ERG came out of the bar one night straight into one debate, JRM giving one of his disgusting will of the people speeches, all the ERG slouching in their seats comfortably looking at each other smiling and smirking, they thought he was amazing, how it was incredible to see him wining over the man in the street knowing the sort of man he is, this arrogance had led to corruption which led to incompetence.

[Crosby Nick]

The only way he’ll go is if there’s some kind of rebellion or leadership challenge against him.

[Clint Eastwood]

Angela Rayner has been on great form throughout all this.

[lobsterboy]

Meanwhile hospital waiting lists top 6 million for the first time.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Meanwhile hospital waiting lists top 6 million for the first time.

It's a terrible number and I feel for people awaiting treatment, but I wonder how many voted Tory because "the other lot will increase taxes"

This country needs a serious debate about the type of country we all want to live in and the cost of providing it.

[Red-Soldier]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson unlikely to be seen in public for a week, says Downing St

Period stuck inside No 10 comes at arguably fortuitous time for PM facing intense scrutiny over ‘partygate’


I truly believe they tested positive..............

[Red-Soldier]

It's a terrible number and I feel for people awaiting treatment, but I wonder how many voted Tory because "the other lot will increase taxes"

This country needs a serious debate about the type of country we all want to live in and the cost of providing it.

I'm all for making the 1% and 0.1% pay their fair share!

How about you?

[stewy17]

The only way he’ll go is if there’s some kind of rebellion or leadership challenge against him.

Which there won't be because all of the new Tory MP's owe him their seat, those in Govt owe him their jobs and the rest think he's a rockstar and are aligned with his bollocks.

Add to that the fact that it's probably the worst time imaginable to come in as leader/PM. Plummeting in the polls, tax rises, cost of living skyrocketing, economy on it's arse, tory sleaze, tory lies, party gate etc etc. Whoever comes in next is going to have to deal with the consequences of Johnson's torrid time in government and you can bet there are various other shit storms in the pipeline too. The sensible ones will probably blend into the background and try and remove themselves from anything to do with him.

Probably also still at least a 50-50 chance, in this cesspit of a country, that he just stays and still gets a decent majority at the next GE.

[Wild Romany Boy]

That's absolutely pathetic from Mogg, whether the rules were too strict or not is totally irrelevant, those were the rules and indeed the laws at the time and should have been adhered too.

I mean will people start arguing in court, yes your honour I did drink and drive but felt at the time that the laws were too harsh!

One thing I will say is that, before he got a Cabinet position, I had assumed Mogg, whilst he was an odious human being, some sort of excellent debater that would be hard to stump.

I could not have been further off the mark, he's as gaffe prown as anyone

[thaddeus]

It's a terrible number and I feel for people awaiting treatment, but I wonder how many voted Tory because "the other lot will increase taxes"

This country needs a serious debate about the type of country we all want to live in and the cost of providing it.

It's a common theme with all public services that a lot of people don't want to pay for them and then when it comes their turn to need them they are surprised (or, in many cases, angry) that they don't get a very good service if they even get one at all.  I don't think many people step back in that moment and think "Ahhh, so this is the consequence of lower tax rates and tax avoidance".

The backlash against a relatively minor increase to NI which was directly linked to funding Adult Social Care shows the challenges facing any political party that wants to fund public services properly.

[redbyrdz]

John Crace
@JohnJCrace
Rees Mogg latest excuse for Boris. The measures in place were too harsh for people to be expected to obey them. Seriously


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They don't even realise they are scum do they?

I don't want him sacked or resigning. I want all the people at the party to serve time in jail for breaking the law.

Thats about as good as Cumming's day trip to test his eye sight.


It's the arrogance of people that never had to stick to a contract, never had to follow the rules, always got special treatment, always got out because of who they were, or their parents were, or the position they were in, or the school they went to. It's the same with Brexit, they just can't grasp the concept of being bound by a contract, or even their word.

[stjohns]

have they said which family member? He only lives with his missus and two of his offspring?  As you say probably all utter bullshit

Be the dog.