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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16400 on: February 4, 2023, 10:04:28 pm »
Not a penalty for handball on the line in our match. Neil Mellor was adamant it was a handball and said this is why VAR was introduced to the game to catch "obvious" errors.

When the replay came on he was twice as sure. Then of course Lee Mason went for a coffee.

Would that have changed the match? Who knows. But the point stands, it should have been an obvious call.
I have just made the point in another thread, that we haven't got a penalty in the league all season. The last one I could find was on 02 April last season.
Utd, on the other hand (pardon the pun) were given another helping hand today to make sure they broke the deadlock early in the game

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16401 on: February 11, 2023, 10:57:16 pm »

From the Mail (apologies) - though an alternative Mail-free link to it can be found below...


'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Brentford equalised thanks to an Ivan Toney to earn a point against Arsenal
The goal was checked for offside before eventually being given by VAR
However, VAR official Lee Mason forgot to draw the offside lines when checking


www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11740619/VAR-Lee-Mason-FORGOT-draw-offside-lines-reviewing-Ivan-Toneys-controversial-equaliser.html


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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16402 on: February 11, 2023, 11:02:41 pm »

'Human error cited as reason why @OfficialBHAFC goal wrongly ruled out for offside at Selhurst Park this afternoon. Two players in close proximity and line drawn from the one furthest forward rather than the one nearer the goal.' - https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1624514322331275265 (BBC 'journalist')


The wrongly disallowed goal: Estupinan vs Crystal Palace on 33' - https://streamin.me/v/3e0752ab


'An Estupinan goal was ruled offside after the VAR identified the wrong defender as the last man. A stunning level of incompetence.' - https://twitter.com/Tactical_Times/status/1624516394854281217





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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16403 on: February 11, 2023, 11:04:41 pm »
'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Said it in the match thread, they only looked at one potential offside and didn't seem to review the other.

That Brentford goal looked offside, VAR was looking at the wrong phase of play.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16404 on: February 11, 2023, 11:28:30 pm »
From the Mail (apologies) - though an alternative Mail-free link to it can be found below...


'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Brentford equalised thanks to an Ivan Toney to earn a point against Arsenal
The goal was checked for offside before eventually being given by VAR
However, VAR official Lee Mason forgot to draw the offside lines when checking


www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11740619/VAR-Lee-Mason-FORGOT-draw-offside-lines-reviewing-Ivan-Toneys-controversial-equaliser.html


^ instead of clicking on the Daily Heil - the article can be read in full here - https://archive.is/Uesxg 


a video of the goal: 'Arsenal 1 - [1] Brentford - Ivan Toney equaliser on 74' - https://dubz.co/c/10s7t8 & https://streamin.me/v/4be6ab26








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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16405 on: February 12, 2023, 12:10:12 am »
just cheating bastards but lets laugh if it stops liverpool lose the league , but coming to roost now

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16406 on: February 12, 2023, 08:21:12 am »
They are desperate to bring somehow ManUtd into the mix for the title race.

Didn't see the game, which one was actually checked?
So bloody what? If you watch football to be absolutely miserable then go watch cricket.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16407 on: February 12, 2023, 09:14:59 am »




No 20 is offside, No5 is getting his shirt pulled and there is a wrestling match going on outside the D. 2-1 on fouls for Arsenal there.

Bent as fuck that decision, forgot to draw the lines my arse, straight up cheating
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16408 on: February 12, 2023, 09:33:12 am »
The Brighton decision is the most bat shit crazy of them all. How can the VAR not see that there is another Palace player stood BEHIND where they've drawn the line?!
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« Reply #16409 on: February 12, 2023, 09:37:09 am »
If it's not bad enough that you can't celebrate when your team score now, or if a goal goes in somewhere you need to wait 5 minutes to let VAR do its thing before you know it's actually counted, but you can't even trust them to get decisions right with something as binary as offside.

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« Reply #16410 on: February 12, 2023, 09:38:09 am »
Didn't see the game, which one was actually checked?

From what they've shown on TV, they only checked the first one, and decided he wasn't interfering with play. And then forgot to have a look at what followed.

A bit like Coote deciding Van Dijk was offside, so it didn't matter he was later assaulted by Pickford.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16411 on: February 12, 2023, 09:38:27 am »
The only saving grace was the offsides. Just bin it, officials clearly too incompetent to make it worthwhile. The payoff for missing out on instant euphoria isn't worth it.
So bloody what? If you watch football to be absolutely miserable then go watch cricket.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16412 on: February 12, 2023, 09:43:45 am »
The only saving grace was the offsides. Just bin it, officials clearly too incompetent to make it worthwhile. The payoff for missing out on instant euphoria isn't worth it.

It's just not worth it. Look at the West Ham game yesterday, a winning goal gets ruled out minutes later for a fractional offside (right decision but pre-VAR nobody is too bothered by a goal like that) and then misses a stonewall pen a few minutes later.

It's just not a reliable system and takes so much away from the game.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16413 on: February 12, 2023, 09:44:23 am »
Howard Webb has sure improved things
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16414 on: February 12, 2023, 09:46:05 am »
Howard Webb has sure improved things

For United yeah  :D
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16415 on: February 12, 2023, 09:48:30 am »
Howard Webb has sure improved things

ha ha refs had shocker today. Good thing is that it can't be as bad today. Man Utd aren't playing today are they?
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« Reply #16416 on: February 12, 2023, 10:10:50 am »
Howard Webb has sure improved things
Babel was right, the Webb is shite
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16417 on: February 12, 2023, 10:55:50 am »

Meanwhile In Scotland, fans give their opinion on some of the match officials....


'The only correct VAR call this weekend in the country':-

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« Reply #16418 on: February 12, 2023, 11:13:40 am »
Liverpool and Bournmouth only two sides in the league not to be awarded a single penalty all season

Bournmouth - 6 against. Liverpool - 3 against.

(Note that those two teams don't appear on this list as they haven't had any penalties: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/topErhalteneElfmeter/wettbewerb/GB1 )
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16419 on: February 12, 2023, 11:14:30 am »
ha ha refs had shocker today. Good thing is that it can't be as bad today. Man Utd aren't playing today are they?

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« Reply #16420 on: February 12, 2023, 11:16:21 am »
Liverpool and Bournmouth only two sides in the league not to be awarded a single penalty all season

Bournmouth - 6 against. Liverpool - 3 against.

(Note that those two teams don't appear on this list as they haven't had any penalties: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/topErhalteneElfmeter/wettbewerb/GB1 )

I can't think of many instances this season where we should have had a penalty. Unlike a couple of years ago, where we had a barrage of awful decisions, I think it's been fairly even for us this season.
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« Reply #16421 on: February 12, 2023, 11:26:40 am »
I can't think of many instances this season where we should have had a penalty. Unlike a couple of years ago, where we had a barrage of awful decisions, I think it's been fairly even for us this season.

I can remember two on Salah off the top of my head - One blocked in the area running down the right, one clearly tapped on the ankle as he beat his man. The handball against Wolves.

Seen a few that 'could' have given - none even considered or looked at by VAR. Just simply ignored by the refs which you completely expect and by the media which now, sadly, you completely expect as well.

The Premier League and football hasn't been a sport for a while. It's a pantomime with themes and tropes, good guys and bad guys (Good guys usually English, bad guys usually 'dirty diving foreigners'). This year there is a new narrative and certain clubs are getting every decision going, some aren't. It looks more or less scripted, with the odd team able to buck the trend and change the narrative for a game.

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« Reply #16422 on: February 12, 2023, 11:35:30 am »
Can't recall the first two, the against Wolves was early in the second half? I don't think that one was a penalty.

The only I can remember we should have had was the Arsenal one, with Gabriel's handball.
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« Reply #16423 on: February 12, 2023, 11:40:20 am »
I can't think of many instances this season where we should have had a penalty. Unlike a couple of years ago, where we had a barrage of awful decisions, I think it's been fairly even for us this season.

Arsenal handball the most obvious one I’d say.

Salah does get fouled quite abit I agree some are not what in an ideal world see given as pens but if some of them challenges are on Rashford/Kane we know the outcome all you want is fairness not decisions given to you.

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« Reply #16424 on: February 12, 2023, 11:49:40 am »
Arsenal handball the most obvious one I’d say.

Salah does get fouled quite abit I agree some are not what in an ideal world see given as pens but if some of them challenges are on Rashford/Kane we know the outcome all you want is fairness not decisions given to you.

Oh I don't disagree with that. If Salah was reffed the same was as Kane or Rashford, we'd win a lot more freekicks and penalties.
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16425 on: February 12, 2023, 12:25:30 pm »
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16426 on: February 12, 2023, 12:28:52 pm »
Been calling out refs for yearsssss but it's just amusing to me seeing sides now whinging about mistakes when it's costing their sides... was all a laugh and joke when it was us, interesting when the tables are turned

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« Reply #16427 on: February 12, 2023, 12:55:52 pm »
Put it out of its misery.

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« Reply #16428 on: February 12, 2023, 01:04:09 pm »
Only have to watch rugby to see refs still have the balls to make decisions and the video ref more often than not will confirm he or she was spot on. Done quickly no messing about in situations that has bodies all over the place blocking views etc. Football would half arze anything they bring into the game as they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16429 on: February 12, 2023, 01:16:21 pm »
The only saving grace was the offsides. Just bin it, officials clearly too incompetent to make it worthwhile. The payoff for missing out on instant euphoria isn't worth it.

No, as far as I'm concerned, that's the wrong attitude. VAR as a system isn't the problem, its the officials that are the problem and it'll never work right until the officials are binned off for better. Getting rid of the system is just giving them carte blanche to be even shitter than they are now. The focus HAS to be on the low standard of the referees and the more they fuck up with VAR, the more they are exposed.

Bin VAR off and you'll all be going fucking mental when we lose a game because a player was 2 yards offside and its not given, or we miss out on a title because a player who was yards onside is given off and a goal is ruled out..

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« Reply #16430 on: February 12, 2023, 01:38:04 pm »
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« Reply #16431 on: February 12, 2023, 04:26:54 pm »
Webb has called Arsenal & Brighton today about the incorrect VAR decisions. How flipping pointless ;D

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« Reply #16432 on: February 12, 2023, 05:40:13 pm »
Webb has called Arsenal & Brighton today about the incorrect VAR decisions. How flipping pointless ;D

Probably told them to get used to it.

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« Reply #16433 on: February 12, 2023, 06:56:02 pm »
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It is the second major VAR error involving Mason and Arsenal, with Gabriel Martinelli's disallowed goal at Manchester United, when the score was 0-0 in a game the Gunners lost 3-1, ruled by the independent assessment panel to be an incorrect intervention.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16435 on: February 12, 2023, 07:32:46 pm »
Miserable looking Manc c*nt.

Single-handedly influencing the title race in a way Master Webb himself would be proud of.

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« Reply #16436 on: February 12, 2023, 07:58:32 pm »
Single-handedly influencing the title race in a way Master Webb himself would be proud of.
You can just imagine that SYP prick's first meeting with the refs:

"My fellow Mancs you're wasting your time trying to be subtle; just cheat openly; no one gives a fuck and even some of the Scouse shite will support you, calling their own fellows tin foil hatters.

Lee, I don't wanna see you drawing any more lines if not doing so will help Utd. Paul, love the baldy homage and the way you influence games in lots of small ways that add up, but you need to keep focus: the aim is to help Sralex's team. Always remember that. There's no point shooting your load helping the likes of Spurs just cos it messes with the Scouse; keep focussed on helping the Only Team That Matters.

Ant, you can forget about all that Altrincham stuff now. Everyone knows you come from an OT seasie family and yet they still don't care that you're allowed to influence things as you will. So you can reclaim your seat in the Stretford End and celebrate like Mike Dean on acid whenever Rashie scores. No one will do anything.

Always remember, A Strong Manchester United Is Essential For The Premier league Brand. And it's our job to help them stay strong. Christ you think the likes of Shaw, Maguire and Anthony can do that alone? Without our support? Ok. Let's go.

Mike lad, a quiet word if I may. It's been noticed just how shite you've become all of a sudden. I know I said cheat openly but at least make a pretence at competence. Yes I know Cootie looks like a fucking gimp, I don't like working with him either, but that Van Dijk thing was too big a risk. It was blatent and it didn't help Utd. So cut that out and stay focussed!"
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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16437 on: February 12, 2023, 11:02:38 pm »
:D

On the "you'll be even more pissed when they revert to chalking off goals that were 2 yards onside " shout... yes, of course, but I'd consider it a worthwhile tradeoff for getting the spontaneity back into the game. Agreed that better officials are the most important thing. A global ref pool is a must.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16438 on: February 12, 2023, 11:33:06 pm »
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On the "you'll be even more pissed when they revert to chalking off goals that were 2 yards onside " shout... yes, of course, but I'd consider it a worthwhile tradeoff for getting the spontaneity back into the game. Agreed that better officials are the most important thing. A global ref pool is a must.

As if other Leagues/FA's are going to let their best Refs leave to go to the PL.

Not to mention be bossed by Howard the Manc Webb.

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Re: VAR! Video Assistant Referee
« Reply #16439 on: February 13, 2023, 12:46:23 am »