Topic: Arsenal

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Troopz is a fucking loser. Fat fuck, high as shit, barely-literate, fucking clown who yells a lot.

He's certainly no Undeh Tey.

[bornandbRED]

If I was an Arsenal fan, I’d want fan TV wiped off the face of this planet. Has made that club an absolute farce and the absolute laughing stock of English football.

Also think fair play Xhaka. If you can’t take it, don’t give it. He showed some balls there - more than what most of their squad can muster up.

[Jm55]

With Arsenal Fan TV you have that Claude guy who clearly has had bouts of mental health issues, getting interviewed after a bad result and basically being made an idiot out of.

I don't think AFTV is really representative of that club and its yet another way to make money out of people who give extreme reactions, which there always will be, especially in football.

Load of shite if you ask me and the participants should be vetted in the same way that is thankfully now more common place for regular TV shows - to stop the vulnerable being exploited. Reminds me of years ago that Tubes lad on Soccer AM being taken the piss out of for always being drunk - turns out he was an alcoholic who thankfully sorted himself out.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

If I was an Arsenal fan, I’d want fan TV wiped off the face of this planet. Has made that club an absolute farce and the absolute laughing stock of English football.

Also think fair play Xhaka. If you can’t take it, don’t give it. He showed some balls there - more than what most of their squad can muster up.

The whole "we pay our money to go, so we're entitled to give you all the shit we want" point of view is bollocks, I'm old enough to remember the guy giving Cantona absolute stacks of abuse at Crystal Palace in '95, and how astonished he looked in a "how dare you react to my tirade of abuse" kind of way when Cantona filled the little rat in.

[IgorBobbins]

I find it baffling that a bunch of knuckle-dragging, inarticulate, nobodies that you see on AFTV actually have their own shows and are media "personalities" / "influencers".  It genuinely makes me despair for the future of humanity that being a thick, rude yob can get you so far.  What's next - having Troopz on Match of the Day for a bit of bantz? 

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The whole "we pay our money to go, so we're entitled to give you all the shit we want" point of view is bollocks, I'm old enough to remember the guy giving Cantona absolute stacks of abuse at Crystal Palace in '95, and how astonished he looked in a "how dare you react to my tirade of abuse" kind of way when Cantona filled the little rat in.

Most of those abusing him on Sunday would be the first ones running over for an autograph or a selfie if they saw him out in the street.

[sinnermichael]

Ozil in the Arsenal squad for the game tomorrow. No Xhaka.

[Machae]

Yes, that's how emotional wellbeing works..

Yup. This is why mental illness is such a hidden killer. People nonchalantly dismissing emotional wellbeing as something to get over

[El Lobo]

I think you'll find that Ty is the bestest Arsenal fan in the world

I honestly think Ty is SMS and that’s why he’s gone for months at a time, he alternates between us and Arsenal.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

If you start booing someone it’s a bit rich moaning when they tell you to fuck off

I feel that the fans are enraged because the fuck off came from Xhaka.

They are visibly frustrated that Xhaka hasn't been upto their standards ever since he signed for them. The substitution was clearly tactical and not anything to do with Xhaka's performances in that game. But fans who started to boo saw it differently. They were looking for an opportunity to boo him. And once a small section booed, the rest boo boys joined in because it was a way for them to express their frustration at Xhaka.

Nothing wrong with what Xhaka did because its one thing to boo him when he is having a torrid game. But one thing to boo when not. And Xhaka was clearly had enough of it.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I feel that the fans are enraged because the fuck off came from Xhaka.

They are visibly frustrated that Xhaka hasn't been upto their standards ever since he signed for them. The substitution was clearly tactical and not anything to do with Xhaka's performances in that game. But fans who started to boo saw it differently. They were looking for an opportunity to boo him. And once a small section booed, the rest boo boys joined in because it was a way for them to express their frustration at Xhaka.

Nothing wrong with what Xhaka did because its one thing to boo him when he is having a torrid game. But one thing to boo when not. And Xhaka was clearly had enough of it.

His missus was also booed at the game, and he's had death threats in the past from their fans.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

His missus was also booed at the game, and he's had death threats in the past from their fans.

Thats pathetic if true.

The fans that boo any WAGs of players or target the player themselves with death threats need to have a look at themselves. They are a disgrace to the Arsenal Football Club or to whichever club they support.

[BrandoLFC]

Kind of comical.  So if you support a club then you can't ever voice displeasure?  Or only in approved settings away from the general public?  Give me a break.  These players hear worse every single away game and if being boo'd was going to break their spirit then they would never have made it to this level in the first place.

If Donald Trump or Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson were to walk by I'd boo them and if I was questioned why I'd tell them to fuck off to, they're public figures and that's just part of being a public figure.  Football players are public figures and aside from the money they live massively entitled lives where almost every whim is taken care of for them.  As part of living this amazing life they might get Boo'd, so what? 

[Legoland]

Kind of comical.  So if you support a club then you can't ever voice displeasure?  Or only in approved settings away from the general public?  Give me a break.  These players hear worse every single away game and if being boo'd was going to break their spirit then they would never have made it to this level in the first place.

If Donald Trump or Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson were to walk by I'd boo them and if I was questioned why I'd tell them to fuck off to, they're public figures and that's just part of being a public figure.  Football players are public figures and aside from the money they live massively entitled lives where almost every whim is taken care of for them.  As part of living this amazing life they might get Boo'd, so what?

Your entire statement is just a way of saying my problems are bigger than yours so I can do harm to you and you have to just shut up and take it cause well my problems are bigger than yours.

 The fact that he makes money doesn't mean he's supposed to receive that sort of treatment and just be ok with it. You say those things like they're supposed to compensate for his well being, but that's not how mental and emotional well being works and the fact that you act like it even in today's world shows why mental health is such a massive issue.  Fans have the right to express their displeasure but he has no obligation to sit and take that sort of booing, accept those death threats or even the booing towards his missus.

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[BrandoLFC]

Your entire statement is just a way of saying my problems are bigger than yours so I can do harm to you and you have to just shut up and take it cause well my problems are bigger than yours.

 The fact that he makes money doesn't mean he's supposed to receive that sort of treatment and just be ok with it. You say those things like they're supposed to compensate for his well being, but that's not how mental and emotional well being works and the fact that you act like it even in today's world shows why mental health is such a massive issue.  Fans have the right to express their displeasure but he has no obligation to sit and take that sort of booing, accept those death threats or even the booing towards his missus.

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I'm pretty sure I'm saying and have been saying people have a right to Boo if they choose.  Didn't say anything about death threats or booing of wives and the rest you're completely inferring.

[IanZG]

I've only seen the MOTD highlights, but the atmosphere in the stands when they went 1-0 up looked like one of the flattest I've ever seen. Have any of the Arsenal fans on here been to the game to say if it's that bad?

[rafathegaffa83]

LFCZA

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[Flaccido Dongingo]

I've only seen the MOTD highlights, but the atmosphere in the stands when they went 1-0 up looked like one of the flattest I've ever seen. Have any of the Arsenal fans on here been to the game to say if it's that bad?

I've only been away to Arsenal once (a gift for my 22ndbbirthday from my Arsenal fan dad) and we won 1-0,courtesy of a Titi Camara goal, and even then it was a fucking library

[Gerry Attrick]

The main thing Xhaka should be apologising for is being dogshit every time he's stepped on to the pitch wearing an Arsenal shirt.

[12C]

Would have loved Aubame-bloodclaat-yang at the Reds, just an outstanding goalscorer, absolute machine, even in a fairly average Arsenal side, he would tear it up playing for a really really top team.

 Think Klopp didn’t really want him?
Perhaps he hasn’t the mentality that Klopp seems to want in his players?

[Dim Glas]

Think Klopp didn’t really want him?
Perhaps he hasn’t the mentality that Klopp seems to want in his players?

Kloppo seems to like Auba the person, at least he gives that impression publicly  Maybe the fallout with Dortmund changed his mind.

But age wise combined with his fee and wages - doubt it was even a consideration.

[El Lobo]

Kind of comical.  So if you support a club then you can't ever voice displeasure?  Or only in approved settings away from the general public?  Give me a break.  These players hear worse every single away game and if being boo'd was going to break their spirit then they would never have made it to this level in the first place.

If Donald Trump or Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson were to walk by I'd boo them and if I was questioned why I'd tell them to fuck off to, they're public figures and that's just part of being a public figure.  Football players are public figures and aside from the money they live massively entitled lives where almost every whim is taken care of for them.  As part of living this amazing life they might get Boo'd, so what?

Have to say mate, at least you’re consistent. Your knowledge on his subject is as strong as your knowledge on everything else

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Kind of comical.  So if you support a club then you can't ever voice displeasure? 

Nobody said that. A player shouldn't be booed for being taken off by the manager for tactical reasons. In this case he wasn't playing poorly, or making mistakes and was being taken off, Emery made a tactical switch and he decided to take him off. The second part, he's their captain. If he's not good enough, the abuse shouldn't be shown towards him, he's not being picked to play. Regardless of how much money he makes, that doesn't change your ability on the pitch. It's not as if he doesn't put in the effort, and doesn't care about the club he plays for, he's just not good enough and the Arsenal fans are pissed. But to boo him for being subbed off, is inexcusable however you want to look at it.

These players hear worse every single away game and if being boo'd was going to break their spirit then they would never have made it to this level in the first place.

Of course they hear worse, but that doesn't excuse the behavior. Abuse by other fans or individual fans while they're playing doesn't compare to the entire stadium booing you for being taken off at your own ground. The two aren't equal.

If Donald Trump or Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson were to walk by I'd boo them and if I was questioned why I'd tell them to fuck off to, they're public figures and that's just part of being a public figure.

Comparing apples and oranges. Donald Trump and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson aren't just bad at their jobs, that's not why you would be booing them alone, their character,their behavior,their actions,their bigotry,racism,etc.. is why you're booing them. So unless Xhaka displayed all of that, on the pitch, did something so abrasive and disrespectful, then his ability alone isn't a reason why you would boo him. His effort and professionalism is certainly not the issue.

So a poor example. We've had some abysmal players [Salif Diao for instance] but it's shitehouse behavior to boo a player because they aren't good enough. Lucas was wrongly booed by our supporters, and while they have ''the freedom'' to do so, it doesn't make them less of absolute bellends and tw@ts for doing so.

There's only a set of circumstances that individual players should be booed by their own fans [El Hadj Diouf for instance spitting on a fan] and this isn't one of them.

[The North Bank]

It’s Emery who should be apologising, for picking that useless lump every week, and then making him captain. Any scenario that means xhaka never plays for arsenal again is a good outcome.

[So… Howard Philips]

Of course they hear worse, but that doesn't excuse the behavior. Abuse by other fans or individual fans while they're playing doesn't compare to the entire stadium booing you for being taken off at your own ground.

Unless it's the end of match communal booing at Goodison.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Unless it's the end of match communal booing at Goodison.

yes, but they boo their own existence through out the day 

[elsewhere]

i really think he will not last until winter and they will probably go hard for a German manager.

[Dim Glas]

i really think he will not last until winter and they will probably go hard for a German manager.

just any old random German manager? 

If they stick with Emery this season, maybe they'll go for Rodgers in the summer if things don't look significantly better. Although I don't see any reason why'd he'd leave Leicester, they are a better ran club and aren't short of cash to spend on transfers either. Plus the way the league is going, they look like they have a better chance at CL!

[BrandoLFC]

Have to say mate, at least you’re consistent. Your knowledge on his subject is as strong as your knowledge on everything else

I'm sorry, did I say I cared what you thought? 

Nobody said that. A player shouldn't be booed for being taken off by the manager for tactical reasons. In this case he wasn't playing poorly, or making mistakes and was being taken off, Emery made a tactical switch and he decided to take him off. The second part, he's their captain. If he's not good enough, the abuse shouldn't be shown towards him, he's not being picked to play. Regardless of how much money he makes, that doesn't change your ability on the pitch. It's not as if he doesn't put in the effort, and doesn't care about the club he plays for, he's just not good enough and the Arsenal fans are pissed. But to boo him for being subbed off, is inexcusable however you want to look at it.

Of course they hear worse, but that doesn't excuse the behavior. Abuse by other fans or individual fans while they're playing doesn't compare to the entire stadium booing you for being taken off at your own ground. The two aren't equal.

Comparing apples and oranges. Donald Trump and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson aren't just bad at their jobs, that's not why you would be booing them alone, their character,their behavior,their actions,their bigotry,racism,etc.. is why you're booing them. So unless Xhaka displayed all of that, on the pitch, did something so abrasive and disrespectful, then his ability alone isn't a reason why you would boo him. His effort and professionalism is certainly not the issue.

So a poor example. We've had some abysmal players [Salif Diao for instance] but it's shitehouse behavior to boo a player because they aren't good enough. Lucas was wrongly booed by our supporters, and while they have ''the freedom'' to do so, it doesn't make them less of absolute bellends and tw@ts for doing so.

There's only a set of circumstances that individual players should be booed by their own fans [El Hadj Diouf for instance spitting on a fan] and this isn't one of them.

There's a difference between wouldn't and shouldn't.  Just as it's within your rights to Boo it's also within your rights not to Boo.  I agree with most of what your saying except when it comes to explaining when it's not Ok to do so.  That's not the way the UK or US thankfully works and if it did then we'd all be much worse off for it whether you like Boo's or not.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting you incorrectly, but you seem to be more focused on the right for someone to voice their opinion. I am not disputing that people shouldn't have the right to do so, I agree with you in that regard.

In any case, each to his own

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I’m hiring a roofer for mine this week, if he moans about anything I’m screaming at him that he’s a c*nt and see how that goes

[Ziltoid]

Troopz is a fucking loser. Fat fuck, high as shit, barely-literate, fucking clown who yells a lot.

Alan Brazil is Troopz?

[bird_lfc]

Ironically cheering when he’s being replaced it a bit of dick move as well. My arsenal mate who’s a season ticket holder tried to justify the original booing saying it’s because they needed a goal and he was walking to the touchline.

I mean they have a history of it. If you watch the Eboue incident from a year where they were cheering when he went off it was hard not to feel for him. The bloke looked crushed

[RobbieRedman]

Ironically cheering when he’s being replaced it a bit of dick move as well. My arsenal mate who’s a season ticket holder tried to justify the original booing saying it’s because they needed a goal and he was walking to the touchline.

I mean they have a history of it. If you watch the Eboue incident from a year where they were cheering when he went off it was hard not to feel for him. The bloke looked crushed

Alan Parry on commentary summed it up well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBNSvuilync

[Ziltoid]

I’m hiring a roofer for mine this week, if he moans about anything I’m screaming at him that he’s a c*nt and see how that goes

[toe punt]

It seems a lot of Arsenal fans, but not all of them obviously, exemplify the worst traits of a modern fan. Visiting the Emirates must be like an episode of Black Mirror where Twitter has become real life. An absolute hell scape filled with utter c*nts.
 
They're nowhere challenging for the big trophies but they're hardly in crisis, so I don't get the negativity. They should try backing the team occasionally. Like a lot of clubs it's all plastic flags and booing if they aren't entertained.

Also, since when have they actually been the force these 'fans' seem to expect? They are not Liverpool or Manchester United. Arguable they're not even the biggest team in London now.

[ThePeetmix]

Emery has let this happen. The fans have been on Xhaka's case for a while now and as we've seen ourselves with Hendo, allowing him to be voted as captain just adds a bigger target to his back. The difference with Xhaka and Hendo is that Hendo was chosen to be captain and was backed up big style by Klopp. Klopp has enough respect and balls to stand up to us fans when it's needed.

Emery letting the player's vote is bad enough. A captain isn't representing just the players, they're representing the club. But Emery has thrown Xhaka under the bus here too in order to get himself in the fans good graces, rather than what he should have done is took a much more understanding approach for both sides. Now he's kind of put himself in a position where he's pissed off Xhaka and probably a number of their players who voted Xhaka in the first place because they like him. He's also still in the fans bad books because of results. He's only gonna come off badly from all this. 

[toe punt]

Emery has let this happen. The fans have been on Xhaka's case for a while now and as we've seen ourselves with Hendo, allowing him to be voted as captain just adds a bigger target to his back. The difference with Xhaka and Hendo is that Hendo was chosen to be captain and was backed up big style by Klopp.

Emery letting the player's vote is bad enough. A captain isn't representing just the players, they're representing the club. But Emery has thrown Xhaka under the bus here too in order to get himself in the fans good graces, rather than what he should have done is took a much more understanding approach for both sides. Now he's kind of put himself in a position where he's pissed off Xhaka and probably a number of their players who voted Xhaka in the first place because they like him. He's also still in the fans bad books because of results. He's only gonna come off badly from all this.

Also think the big difference in say the treatment of say Henderson or Lovren by sections of the supporters and Arsenal players is that in Liverpool's case the negativity isn't taken into the stadium.

[ThePeetmix]

Also think the big difference in say the treatment of say Henderson or Lovren by sections of the supporters and Arsenal players is that in Liverpool's case the negativity isn't taken into the stadium.

Big time. They are literally like a bunch of walking football twitter accounts even when they're in the ground. No wonder their atmosphere has gone to shit.

[bornandbRED]

The ‘devastated and offered counselling’ thing is absolutely a PR ploy by Arsenal to try and soften the anti-Xhaka feeling amongst gooners. He’ll be back in the team within a couple of weeks.