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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2016, 06:58:34 pm »
If we bought the PSV captain before he signed for Newcastle people would be a lot more excited
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2016, 07:07:08 pm »
Superb in possession yesterday, especially after their goal, he kept it cool and moved the ball around killing the game.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2016, 07:16:03 pm »
Last night (and this whole season to be honest) dispels the fact he doesn't turn up away from home.
He does though mate. The problem is that since he's a goalscoring midfielder, some of the Newcastle supporters murmured that he wasn't doing it away from home and Newcastle in recent years have been without firepower at the front so they expected anyone who can weigh in with goals to do so. I suppose they were right to expect a bit more from him since he was played outwide and attacking midfield most of the time.

The pundits typically picked up from that- "He doesn't "perform" away from home."

It spilled over to a few of ours as well. He's been doing his work diligently enough, but people don't try to understand where this supposed lack of performance comes from or what it means in context.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2016, 07:17:12 pm »
Is he healthy? Thought he had a slight limp coming off. Great performance.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2016, 07:26:31 pm »
Is he healthy? Thought he had a slight limp coming off. Great performance.

I remember him giving the staff a thumbs up after he started to walk a bit funny, so I assume he is fine
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2016, 07:44:40 pm »
Played mainly on the wing/AM for Newcastle.

Out of nowhere comes Klopp and plays him in central midfield alongside another 2 attacking minded players. Successful experiment

Just goes to show how little football the fans know  ;D
That is one of the positions he's played throughout his "career" sofar though- and he also played DM on occasion. Many of us pointed that out in the beginning, but no... people were to fixated with him operating on the wing or behind the striker. In fact- he played more games at CM with Newcastle than at PSV and Feyenoord. It was 50/50 at Newcastle.

In any case, I'm happy for him to score mostly at home and maybe 2/3 times away. He's never going to score many awya from home because of the work he has to do, the space he will be provided and the area of the pitch he will be operating in. Just common sense.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2016, 09:26:23 pm »
Played mainly on the wing/AM for Newcastle.

Out of nowhere comes Klopp and plays him in central midfield alongside another 2 attacking minded players. Successful experiment

Just goes to show how little football the fans know  ;D

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2016, 09:38:54 pm »
There was no `improvement` in his game. He`s been tremendous from day one. It was just that he wasn`t grabbing attention by putting in huge crunching tackles and making 40 yard hollywood passes so he mustn`t have been that good. Instead what we got was a well oiled machine of a midfield that`s effective both with or without the ball.

Gini is one of the most intelligent midfielders we had in a very long time while his agility, composure and skills in tight spaces under pressure is doing wonders for our ball retention and game management.
Those were the qualities John barnes was known for when he played CM under Roy Evans,i see a resemblence with Gini,watching last night reminded me of the mid  90's Barnes at times.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2016, 09:42:00 pm »
In fact- he played more games at CM with Newcastle than at PSV and Feyenoord. It was 50/50 at Newcastle.
It wasn't 50/50 at Newcastle. He played either no. 10 or on the wing. Only played as a CM in 2-3 games.

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“Towards the end at Newcastle I was playing on the left side. At the beginning I was playing as the No 10. I was almost the only midfielder in front of the goal behind the strikers."

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2016, 09:46:36 pm »
I remember him giving the staff a thumbs up after he started to walk a bit funny, so I assume he is fine

Probably was a cramp.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2016, 11:59:08 pm »
Just rewatched the first half with an eye for his contribution. Funny, he is easier to keep track of as he stands out with his black boots. Who would have thought that black boots would be considered unique...
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2016, 12:02:12 am »
Welcome to LFC, Gini.

More like that and you'll feel an adulation that will make you feel invincible.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2016, 12:46:09 am »
Glad we signed him.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2016, 05:38:15 am »
Really good player.

And the goals will come.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2016, 05:46:44 am »
Always thought he was a good player but couldn't see why we got him having Milner already for the position. He's much more dynamic though and it's starting to make sense to me.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2016, 06:34:08 am »
That was his best game so far, looked like he was more tough and working harder off the ball. With the ball he drove forward more often than before which was good. Hopefully the goals will come though because if you want to compare to the top in the league who play a very similar midfield system to us with both industry and technique in Man City's De Bruyne and Silva/Gundogan we don't quite match up in pure quality (Jesus the weight of pass and vision of De Bruyne is unreal let alone Silva). His natural ability to score goals will close that gap in quality hopefully.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2016, 06:39:07 am »
Friday night was his best game yet as an LFC player I think. He's getting himself forward too, inevitable he gets on the score sheet in the next few games I expect.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2016, 06:56:08 am »
Always thought he was a good player but couldn't see why we got him having Milner already for the position. He's much more dynamic though and it's starting to make sense to me.

I think his control is far better, which makes it an almost entirely different proposition to have Gini in midfield as opposed to Milner. His first touch passing is excellent and he seems to have the confidence to receive the ball under pressure if he has to and play it off to another area of less pressure. Gini has been quietly impressive so far and I can see him becoming a bigger influence, particularly with goals as the season progresses. He's already getting into some good positions.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2016, 09:14:51 am »
Neat and tidy in  possession..
Good engine..
Can play in tight areas..
Likes making forward runs beyond the furthest forward..
Has an eye for goal..
Decent range of passing..

All the qualities you want in a midfielder.. Don't know what the fuss was about when we signed him..
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2016, 09:16:14 am »
Shearer singled him out for praise on MOTD last night.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2016, 10:22:41 am »
Those were the qualities John barnes was known for when he played CM under Roy Evans,i see a resemblence with Gini,watching last night reminded me of the mid  90's Barnes at times.

Not sure I've ever seen a worse comparison for a player, mid nineties Barnes was a pale shadow of the player he used to be and agility is definately not a trait he had at that point.

He could retain the ball and always had vision but  Wijnaldum Has shown real energy and tenacity when we're not on the ball and is totally different player to Barnes.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2016, 12:01:56 pm »
Shearer singled him out for praise on MOTD last night.

But he also echoed the criticism from Newcastle that he didn't play well away from home for them. And so he was surprised that he unexpectedly played so well away from home for us.

Maybe McClaren had them playing very deep away from home and he was out of the match a lot (like Costa for most of Friday night) as a 10  or a wide attacker? Maybe it is just simply playing as a midfielder and also playing for a manager who tries to attack away from home that makes him look like he has "shown up" for a match away from home? I didn't watch Newcastle, so I'm just guessing.

I like that they almost ignored our match on motd. The longer we are under the radar and uninteresting to pundits and the like, the better. Let them keep focusing on how poorly our opponents perform rather than how we are playing and limiting what opponents can do. :)
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2016, 01:19:29 pm »
Not sure I've ever seen a worse comparison for a player, mid nineties Barnes was a pale shadow of the player he used to be and agility is definately not a trait he had at that point.

He could retain the ball and always had vision but  Wijnaldum Has shown real energy and tenacity when we're not on the ball and is totally different player to Barnes.

Not sure if I have ever agreed with a post more than this.

Gini is never a John Barnes never. They are totally different and if pushed I would say Gini reminds me more of a Terry McDermott or at a level below Michael Thomas. Defo not John Barnes

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2016, 02:12:27 pm »
I wasn't a fan of his from his time at Newcastle. I thought he was good vs Leicester and had a good game on Friday, but I think he has a way to go yet. I'm not saying that to be a contrarian, rather there are aspects of his game that he does well and represent an upgrade on the capabilities of some of our centre mids - but I don't think he offers the defensive base that Lucas provides or the passing variety and tackling of Can. But that's not to say that he cannot or that that is what the manager has asked of him.
As others have said, it is early days and he will grow in confidence in his role. For me, he has to earn the respect/support of the paying fans, and if he can do the business between now and the season's end - and chip in with a few goals - I'll happily chow down on a plate of humble pie. The balls in his court.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2016, 02:58:46 pm »
Great player, and he is improving every game. He reminds me of Clarence Seedorf, with his running and ability to pick loose balls around the box!

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2016, 06:48:25 pm »
When he'd stationary, he sometimes does a little foot shuffle before moving....


Reminds me so much of John Barnes, particularly his chunky thighs...


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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2016, 06:53:13 pm »
Hopefully he doesn't read the same rag as Barnes.
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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2016, 06:55:45 pm »
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2016, 07:08:05 pm »
I still think that he's finding his feet. He is seemingly improving by the day, and if he keeps doing that, he'd be a very good player for us. How consistently he performs is still unknown for me (can't judge after a handful of games). 

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2016, 08:16:16 pm »
Seedorf, Barnes, Gundogan, Silva and de Bruyne.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2016, 08:45:19 pm »
Was quality as Chelsea. His best game for us so far.

I questioned the signing but on the Chelsea display you can see why Klopp wanted him. He was so relaxed on the ball and off it.

Impressive display.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2016, 09:19:25 pm »
Remember when we signed him everyone was confused how we would set up in midfield. Making so much sense now, Gini looks like a classier footballer every game.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2016, 10:10:46 pm »
He was bought to become the engine behind most of our attacking play. Nothing he has done so far has changed my view that he will do exactly that and more. The initial tentativeness is almost off the pitch and you can see how he is exactly what we needed.

Was instrumental in our transitions with quick one touch passing during the first half against Chelsea and completely snuffed out some tricky situations in the second. With Henderson covering, his movement dragged Kante away almost all of 60 odd minutes. Same was the case at Spurs and now Chelsea. As a result, you get the spaces available in the midfield where Hendo, Lallana, Coutinho, Bobby and Gini himself can take up goalscoring positions.

His goals, those typical late runs in the box we saw at PSV from the CM, they'll come. He's had some decent pops already and once the first goes in, you will see the dynamic metronome that is Gini Wijnaldum who was the captain at such an early age and dominated Dutch midfields.

Just as a side rant, for our supposed fabled 'pass and move, the Liverpool groove' fans, they sure do take a lot of time 'noticing' the value of Gini.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2016, 10:23:27 pm »
He was bought to become the engine behind most of our attacking play. Nothing he has done so far has changed my view that he will do exactly that and more. The initial tentativeness is almost off the pitch and you can see how he is exactly what we needed.

Was instrumental in our transitions with quick one touch passing during the first half against Chelsea and completely snuffed out some tricky situations in the second. With Henderson covering, his movement dragged Kante away ( vs Leicester ) almost all of 60 odd minutes. Same was the case at Spurs and now Chelsea. As a result, you get the spaces available in the midfield where Hendo, Lallana, Coutinho, Bobby and Gini himself can take up goalscoring positions.

His goals, those typical late runs in the box we saw at PSV from the CM, they'll come. He's had some decent pops already and once the first goes in, you will see the dynamic metronome that is Gini Wijnaldum who was the captain at such an early age and dominated Dutch midfields.

Just as a side rant, for our supposed fabled 'pass and move, the Liverpool groove' fans, they sure do take a lot of time 'noticing' the value of Gini.

His runs got him 2 assists so far, Lallana got both goals, I agree that the goals will come soon.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2016, 10:28:47 pm »
Just as a side rant, for our supposed fabled 'pass and move, the Liverpool groove' fans, they sure do take a lot of time 'noticing' the value of Gini.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2016, 10:35:02 pm »
I'm not sure he's the best at close control when under pressure mind...but minor thing

FALSE !

Just, so wrong. Its one of his strengths. I'm sure you saw a couple of instances of him being tentative and losing the ball to a high press, but he got out of many more situations and helped us transition. Especially against Leicester, Spurs and Chelsea. Just that those turns and touches go unnoticed when you have the attackers we do. Doesn't make his work any less substantial.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2016, 11:14:19 am »
FALSE !

Just, so wrong. Its one of his strengths. I'm sure you saw a couple of instances of him being tentative and losing the ball to a high press, but he got out of many more situations and helped us transition. Especially against Leicester, Spurs and Chelsea. Just that those turns and touches go unnoticed when you have the attackers we do. Doesn't make his work any less substantial.

Exactly. Both him and Lallana...they withstand the pressure well and hold the ball releasing it just when the other team over-commits trying to steal the ball from them. That facet of our game and recent success is being overlooked. Once they get that pass away you have the likes of Mane or Coutinho running at their defences exposing the gaps.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2016, 11:32:09 am »
Seems to be a real direct upgrade on Allen, he can do all the metronomic short passing and turning under pressure Joe could do plus he is far more gifted athletically and has a better nose for goal.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2016, 11:42:27 am »
Post Burnley comments were absolutely hilarious.

don't know what the comments were but he had a poor game against Burnley - let's not pretend that he was doing super effective things that nobody noticed
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2016, 12:53:24 pm »
Seems to be a real direct upgrade on Allen, he can do all the metronomic short passing and turning under pressure Joe could do plus he is far more gifted athletically and has a better nose for goal.

I'd agree with that. Better stamina. I liked Joe Allen but he'd had his chance here, and I'm glad we've brought in Wino.
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