Topic: Harry Maguire considering his options thread

[newterp]

This is their Houllier appointment.

To change the club top to bottom into the modern era.

Sadly Fergie's meddling will cease, i just hope they do not get ETH in the summer.

Ethereum?

I thought that was Man City’s move.

[Dim Glas]

Don’t fancy Pogba’s chances under Rangnick for the next few months or Ronaldo 

Will he turn the midfield into a pressing machine? That’s his game.   

[disgraced cake]

One German cup and 2nd division title in 700 games for the new manager. That's so shite it isn't even funny. I think they're in trouble for a good few years going forward, but will no doubt have to get it right eventually with their resources.

[4pool]

Damn it Poch, all you had to do was beat City and you'd have the Man Utd job.

[MJD-L4]

One German cup and 2nd division title in 700 games for the new manager. That's so shite it isn't even funny. I think they're in trouble for a good few years going forward, but will no doubt have to get it right eventually with their resources.

This.

[rob1966]

Ahem

The piss your kecks thread is here https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=335810.0

This is the piss take thread thank you very much

[Ray K]

@Zonal_Marking

Rangnick has managed once before at Old Trafford and his team got absolutely played off the park by Darron Gibson in a Champions League semi-final. Hopefully he can similarly transform other academy products into world-beaters

[thegoodfella]

No pleased about the clown show ending with Rangnick at helm.

[Buck Pete]

Stinks of "We want a German manager and we want one now!"

Seen what Klopp and Tuchel have done and decide its a case of any German will emulate them.  I reckon Boris Becker and the ghost of Ludwig Van Beethoven were on their long list.

This said, Rangnick a decent appointment in regards to what they have had or have now.

[Caligula?]

Interesting. If he does well then would they even go for Zidane or Pochettino? They'll probably offer him a long term contract at the end of the season. On paper this is probably one of the very few things they've done right since Fergie left.

[Fromola]

One German cup and 2nd division title in 700 games for the new manager. That's so shite it isn't even funny. I think they're in trouble for a good few years going forward, but will no doubt have to get it right eventually with their resources.

Ragnick is basically Bielsa. Very good template manager but a 60 something who has never actually won shit.

A good interim appointment though. I wouldn't want him involved there beyond this season because he'd be good for them behind the scenes among a sea of fools.

[Samie]

Some of you have barely survived the last 9 years of the mancs being shite heaven knows how you will do now they have someone have competent it seems. 

[Fromola]

@Zonal_Marking

Rangnick has managed once before at Old Trafford and his team got absolutely played off the park by Darron Gibson in a Champions League semi-final. Hopefully he can similarly transform other academy products into world-beaters

Schalke were an embarrassment in that tie (for a semi final). The first leg was at Schalke and Neuer saved it from being about 10-0.

[Wabaloolah]

DIsappointing that they would appoint someone like that. Wherever he goes he seems to have a positive and lasting impact, but also demands control and time.
So I find it hard to believe they would buy-in to what you would expect his approach and demands would be. I don't quite get the interim bit, doesn't seem to fit, but hey I guess they are probably throwing a lot of money at him.

talking about moving him upstairs to the Technical Department at the end of the season, the again if he does well I guess he could stay on beyond the end of the season.


Clearly he's a major improvement on Solskjaer but that's not exactly the hardest thing to achieve.


It could work but then again Van Gaal was supposedly an improvement on Moyes but never got the backing of the fans, Mourinho an improvement on Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal but again never really got the backing of the fans, Ole a major downgrade on anyone appointed in the post-Ferguson era yet got backed by the fans to the hilt including in the game where we battered them and City comprehensively outplayed them on their own pitch.  I imagine there will be many fans disappointed in who they look like appointing too!

[Ray K]

Schalke were an embarrassment in that tie (for a semi final). The first leg was at Schalke and Neuer saved it from being about 10-0.

United played Schalke and a well-past-it Wenger era Arsenal in Champions League semis. Shouldn't have been allowed. Thankfully Barcelona gave them a lesson in those finals.

[tonysleft]

it has been too painful to post here since the hero of mine since i was a kid got the sack but yes I'm not mad on rangnick either

[kennedy81]

Stinks of "We want a German manager and we want one now!"

Seen what Klopp and Tuchel have done and decide its a case of any German will emulate them.  I reckon Boris Becker and the ghost of Ludwig Van Beethoven were on their long list.

This said, Rangnick a decent appointment in regards to what they have had or have now.

Yep, totally. Like when they splashed out on Maguire when we went big on VVD.

I bet Woodward never even heard of him until a few weeks ago. It reeks of flavour of the month-ism.

It has the potential to be a good acquisition, but given how badly Utd is run, there's every chance that this hasn't really been thought through, and it falls flat after a year or two.
Worth nothing that Rangnick has no experience of working at a big club, unless you count Schalke, which I don't. All well and good getting Leipzig and Hoffenheim promoted with the help of rich owners, but winning PLs and CLs at Utd is a different kettle of fish.

[Crosby Nick]

it has been too painful to post here since the hero of mine since i was a kid got the sack but yes I'm not mad on rangnick either

Didn’t realise you’d followed Moyes at Preston so closely.

[Wabaloolah]

it has been too painful to post here since the hero of mine since i was a kid got the sack but yes I'm not mad on rangnick either

I was a huge Souness fan when he played for us in the late 1970s and 1980s but was not in any way disappointed when he got sacked and that was nothing to do with his article in the rag, more to the fact that he was an awful manager for Liverpool.  It doesn't mean he stops being a hero when he was playing though but I don't think Ole should ever have been given the job in the first place as he didn't earn the appointment, at least Souey had a decent record at Rangers

[stoa]

It's a weird appointment. Rangnick clearly has football knowledge and in recent years has gotten experience in how to build a football conglomerate like Red Bull's with various clubs all over the world and their own academies and youth operations in various countries. It worked for Red Bull, because they basically started from scratch and he had an open cheque book to work with while there was little pressure to being successful at the absolute top level. Don't think Manchester United are looking for something like that and I'm not sure they'll allow him to just shape the club in the way he wants. It will also be interesting to see how much influence the likes of Ferguson still have and if he and others are prepared to follow Rangnick's lead. I can't see it. At the same time, I can't see Rangnick taking any shit from other higher-ups in the club. If things aren't going his way he'll probably start throwing the toys out of the pram. The British media used to make a big fuss about Rafa wanting "total control". I kind of see Rangnick being the same. If you look at his German wikipedia page, for almost every club, where he was the manager, there's a part about how he fell out with the club's chairman or some other authority figure and him leaving in the end.

I think getting Ragngnick would be a good appointment for a lot of clubs who are looking to become more successful and building up an "identity". For Man United there seem to be a lot of questionmarks surrounding this appointment.

[bornandbRED]

I’m surprised at all the hype. Though not surprised it comes primarily from twitter hipsters who haven’t watched Leipzig or Salzburg in their life and actually know fuck all about this bloke except he’s German and ermmm…. does the pressing stuff, which is in right now.

Just glad they didn’t get Conte.

[Andy82lfc]

Had to double take at some of the comments thinking this guy might be a good appointment for them 

His record doesn't exactly set the world alight to put it mildly, to be more coarse he looks complete shite. Fired from three of his five clubs he managed and done hardly anything of note at the top. The supposed great achievement of getting to the semi-finals of the CL, well unless I'm mistaken he only took over an won one round before the semi, then got battered in the semi!

I'm just going off his record but he looks more like a complete journeyman, a Hodgson or Pulis type (without talking about tactics).

They have fallen such a long long way making an appointment like this. Hastey and desperate. That said lets hope he gets of to a flyer against Chelsea 

[Keith Lard]

Ragnick seems like more of a DOF than a manger. If they want him long term as a DOF then they should just put him straight into the role and appoint a proper interim. Sounds like a potential cluster fuck situation at the end of the season transitioning the bloke into a different role and bringing in a new manager

[MonsLibpool]

They way they  are going on abouut how Poch deserves players that are more hardworking than Messi, Mbappé and Neymar is hilarious. They've forgotten that they have the likes of Ronaldo, Greenwood and Rashford.

Also, PSG is actually doing Poch a favour by giving him a chance to win his first major trophy.

[MancEunuchian]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

[kennedy81]

It's a weird appointment. Rangnick clearly has football knowledge and in recent years has gotten experience in how to build a football conglomerate like Red Bull's with various clubs all over the world and their own academies and youth operations in various countries. It worked for Red Bull, because they basically started from scratch and he had an open cheque book to work with while there was little pressure to being successful at the absolute top level. Don't think Manchester United are looking for something like that and I'm not sure they'll allow him to just shape the club in the way he wants. It will also be interesting to see how much influence the likes of Ferguson still have and if he and others are prepared to follow Rangnick's lead. I can't see it. At the same time, I can't see Rangnick taking any shit from other higher-ups in the club. If things aren't going his way he'll probably start throwing the toys out of the pram. The British media used to make a big fuss about Rafa wanting "total control". I kind of see Rangnick being the same. If you look at his German wikipedia page, for almost every club, where he was the manager, there's a part about how he fell out with the club's chairman or some other authority figure and him leaving in the end.

I think getting Ragngnick would be a good appointment for a lot of clubs who are looking to become more successful and building up an "identity". For Man United there seem to be a lot of questionmarks surrounding this appointment.

Yeah. Would have been a useful acquisition for a club like Newcastle.

[Son of Spion]

That maybe so, but that doesn't change what their motivation is...we now understand their plan.

Copy Liverpool?

[Peabee]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

Oh mate. These posts always seem to backfire. 

[stoa]

Had to double take at some of the comments thinking this guy might be a good appointment for them 

His record doesn't exactly set the world alight to put it mildly, to be more coarse he looks complete shite. Fired from three of his five clubs he managed and done hardly anything of note at the top. The supposed great achievement of getting to the semi-finals of the CL, well unless I'm mistaken he only took over an won one round before the semi, then got battered in the semi!

I'm just going off his record but he looks more like a complete journeyman, a Hodgson or Pulis type (without talking about tactics).

To be fair, I think Rangnick as a manager was really ahead of his time in Germany and he was one of the up and coming guys 20 years ago or so in terms of the methods and tactics he used. He's called the "footballing professor" in Germany. I think though, there was a point where he realised that being a manager is not really his thing with all the pressure involved, especially after he was suffering of burnout and had to take time off. After that, he focussed more on the background work and without actually knowing what exactly he did for Red Bull in his various positions, he clearly helped creating a successful model no matter how despicable it is.

[Schmidt]

The consultant aspect sounds like one of those compromises that just won't work, like they want him to oversee change but don't want to boot the like of Ferguson out, so they put him in a role where he could help but won't have the power to overhaul the club, and most likely they end up with a mish-mash of ideas. Kind of like the way we tried to force Rodgers and a transfer committee to work.

[FlashGordon]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

Back in yer 70s & 80s slumber? Yeah that's a safe enough bet.

[Son of Spion]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

You lot just never learn. 

[DonkeyWan]

Copy Liverpool?

So slightly peeved by a 5-0 thrashing they have decided to get their own pet German.

[Lycan]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

Don't you ever learn?

[Andy82lfc]

To be fair, I think Rangnick as a manager was really ahead of his time in Germany and he was one of the up and coming guys 20 years ago or so in terms of the methods and tactics he used. He's called the "footballing professor" in Germany. I think though, there was a point where he realised that being a manager is not really his thing with all the pressure involved, especially after he was suffering of burnout and had to take time off. After that, he focussed more on the background work and without actually knowing what exactly he did for Red Bull in his various positions, he clearly helped creating a successful model no matter how despicable it is.

Yeah I saw that about him having to give up the second stint with Schalke due to exhaustion, which doesn't bode well at all considering the microscope he will be under now!! Almost feel worried for him! Hopefully he is in a better place.

To be honest whether he made a success with the model of Red Bull or not (which was not exactly like doing the same thing with a club with limited means), he has done nothing of note hardly at all as a manager. It's a really odd appointment for me, it obviously has to do with having to fire Ole which they clearly were forced to do and never wanted to until he collapsed completely, then wanting to give themselves time until the summer which is not a bad thing, but surely there was another option. I knew they had fallen a long way but even this surprised me. Really does remind me of our Hodgson appointment.

[Dim Glas]

Ragnick seems like more of a DOF than a manger. If they want him long term as a DOF then they should just put him straight into the role and appoint a proper interim. Sounds like a potential cluster fuck situation at the end of the season transitioning the bloke into a different role and bringing in a new manager

That is what he wants to be, I think he’ll be hoping, or has already been promised some other role.

He actively has seeked not to coach.

[DonkeyWan]

Skiing in the Alps was amazing lads and Cantona sends his regards. Warms me heart to see I was missed.

Dare I say, we're back? 

Cristiano Ronaldo
Paul Pogba
Harry Maguire
Edinson Cavani
Raphaël Varane
Jesse Lingard
Fred
Alex Telles
Phil Jones
Juan Mata
Nemanja Matić
Victor Lindelöf

All of these players are turning 30 or are past 30 next season. Exactly how much gegenpressing do you think they will be able to do? Tis a young man's game, they are a bit long in the tooth to be learning to press for 90 mins 40-50 games a season.

[CraigDS]

All of these players are turning 30 or are past 30 next season. Exactly how much gegenpressing do you think they will be able to do? Tis a young man's game, they are a bit long in the tooth to be learning to press for 90 mins 40-50 games a season.

Imagine Maguire having to play in a really high back line 

[MancEunuchian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7zEahtgpA

[Tobelius]

Imagine Maguire having to play in a really high back line 

I'm already salivating for the highlight reels with Benny Hill music