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The Missing Wing
« on: August 5, 2005, 07:24:37 pm »
Some football teams are like birds. They need wings to fly.

This pre-season, Rafael Benitez has relied on Darren Potter to provide one portion of the width on the right, and new addition Bolo Zenden on the left. Bolo has been rather impressive, surprising a few with the accuracy of his crosses, and a willingness to get to the by-line. The competency of his crossing is most unexpected because at his time with Barcelona, Louis Van Gaal regularly put him through intense lessons in the art of crossing  as he wasn’t pleased with Zenden’s final product on the pitch.

Potter, on the other hand, has been doing a job. But that’s about it. He’s a workaholic on the pitch, and plays earnestly. However, he is lacking that something extra that you need when attacking on the flank – flamboyance, pizzazz, call it what you will. It is as clear as day that Benitez is looking to sign a new right midfielder before the start of the new season.

That person could have been Luis Figo. Unfortunately, he turned down the chance to sign for Liverpool and decided to reunite with some of his former Madrid team-mates in Milan. That is if you can say his wife didn’t interfere in his decision, having in mind that the city of Milan is always appealing. Otherwise, perhaps his dazzling skills and forceful crosses would have graced Anfield. Doubts weren’t always far away though. Figo sweats it out on the pitch, but off it, he has been known to cause problems before, particularly in voicing his discontent sometime ago about Deco’s involvement in the Portuguese National Team. Many also wondered whether Figo was just looking for a last pay day.

Nonetheless, you can’t help but feel a slight disappointment now that the deal has passed Liverpool by. With our left side looking strong with the options of playing Zenden, Kewell when he returns, Riise, Garcia and Mark Gonzalez (who is now embroiled in work-permit problems), the right side just dosen’t bring the same threat.

Many of course see width is an important component of a football team. Width is a principle of attack and is often ideal to apply constant pyschological pressure on a concentrated defence until an error occurs allowing for penetration. There is a reason why wingers are called as such – they are supposed to command the flanks. Potter dosen’t do that. Garcia does but only in flashes, and he is not your orthodox winger is he?

Title winning teams of years gone by have all possessed wingers of stunning explosiveness. Players of the ilk of Arjen Robben, Damien Duff, Ryan Giggs and Robert Pires have all added that crucial extra in the final third. They have the moxie to take on defenders like it is second nature.

The question is – who will fill this important void? Daniel Alves of Sevilla has been mentioned as one of the names, but will Sevilla continue to sell their best players after losing Julio Baptista? Juanfran, the Madrid youngster, has impressed many with his quick feet. The name of young Dutch international, Romeo Castelan, has also appeared in many wishlists. He is a pure right winger, and some say he plays in the mould of Shaun Wright-Phillips. Of course, Lyon have always been involved in one major speculation or another this summer. Their converted right-winger, Sidney Govou, has been strongly linked with us. He grabbed a bagful of assists last year in the French League.

Another option that exists, has not gone unnoticed by Benitez.  ‘It is a possibility that we could use him on the right wing. I did the same thing with John Carew at Valencia. It means you can play with another striker in the team and he can get into the box more.’

Does this mean Cisse will move out to the right to facilitate a welcome for the ‘prodigal son’? Don’t hold your breath just yet.

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #1 on: August 5, 2005, 07:25:50 pm »
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #2 on: August 5, 2005, 07:27:02 pm »
So we need a right winger then?

And has Ronaldo won the league while at the mancs?

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #3 on: August 5, 2005, 07:30:16 pm »
So we need a right winger then?

And has Ronaldo won the league while at the mancs?

 ;D

No, he hasn't.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #4 on: August 5, 2005, 07:31:15 pm »
Robert Pireshave  ;D

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #5 on: August 5, 2005, 07:32:23 pm »
Always thought Sinama looked good when he played there - similar style to Wright-Phillips.

To be honest though, I think it very much depends on what formation we play - if we go with a 4-2-3-1 as has been mooted, I see the players playing in the 3 as being interchangeable - they will not stay left, right, or centre, but chop & change during the course of a game to confuse opposing defences...
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #6 on: August 5, 2005, 07:43:27 pm »
Always thought Sinama looked good when he played there - similar style to Wright-Phillips.

To be honest though, I think it very much depends on what formation we play - if we go with a 4-2-3-1 as has been mooted, I see the players playing in the 3 as being interchangeable - they will not stay left, right, or centre, but chop & change during the course of a game to confuse opposing defences...

It is interesting you mention that, cause we have rarely seen Rafa use the 'rotating wingers' system in games. The left winger always stays on the left, and the right winger always stays on the right.

But I guess that's Rafa's style.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #7 on: August 5, 2005, 08:20:04 pm »
I always thought Luis Garcia was fab.  But he is better in the hole behind the two strikers.  It's a shame about Gonzales, but i feel Rafa will play 3 central midfielders next season.  And use Hamann in a defensive role to allow Gerrard & Alonso to get forward. 

3-5-2?

4-5-1?

But i do agree that Sinama has potential, but he is more of a striker for me.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #8 on: August 5, 2005, 08:26:19 pm »
So this Mark Gonzalex character is left-sided? Didn't realise that, thought he was a right winger.

Don't really want to see a striker playing out wide though, am phobic of that approach since ourfriend Diouffy was deployed there.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #9 on: August 5, 2005, 08:27:08 pm »
So this Mark Gonzalex character is left-sided? Didn't realise that, thought he was a right winger.

Gonzales isn't coming mate :wave
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #10 on: August 5, 2005, 08:28:55 pm »
Thought Rafa might try to fight it out though.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #11 on: August 5, 2005, 08:43:52 pm »
Might I suggest Richardo Quaresma (like every summer the last 4 years)?

Don't drag me into this soeculation please ;)
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #12 on: August 5, 2005, 08:44:51 pm »
Rafa's appealing the Gonazlez decision. Appeals have worked in the past before for other teams. Some team just won one last week  but cant remember what team it was.

I just started a thread about Nobby Solano. Think he'd be a quallity replacement at an affordable price. Not heard anyone mention him yet, which i thought was odd.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #13 on: August 5, 2005, 08:46:18 pm »
It is interesting you mention that, cause we have rarely seen Rafa use the 'rotating wingers' system in games. The left winger always stays on the left, and the right winger always stays on the right.

But I guess that's Rafa's style.

It's something Houllier had some success with whilst the players were available, but seeing as he played Murphy, Diouf, Kewell and Smicer in the rotating diamond system, it's a complete non-starter now!

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #14 on: August 5, 2005, 08:58:40 pm »
So this Mark Gonzalex character is left-sided? Didn't realise that, thought he was a right winger.

Don't really want to see a striker playing out wide though, am phobic of that approach since ourfriend Diouffy was deployed there.

I thought i read that Gonzalez can play right or left? Maybe im wrong?

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #15 on: August 5, 2005, 09:00:24 pm »
I always thought Luis Garcia was fab.  But he is better in the hole behind the two strikers.  It's a shame about Gonzales, but i feel Rafa will play 3 central midfielders next season.  And use Hamann in a defensive role to allow Gerrard & Alonso to get forward. 

3-5-2?

4-5-1?

But i do agree that Sinama has potential, but he is more of a striker for me.

Rafa might very well play a lot of 3-5-2 next year...he saw how it worked wonders in the CL final; plus if he doesn't have enough cover at CB he can rotate Carra and Hyypia that way to keep them fresh...

In general I think we're going to play MOST of our games with 5 midfielders because the midfield is far and away the strongest part of the team.  Gerrard and Alonso are world-class as we know, and Momo looks like he can outrun anybody on the pitch.  Little Luis can roam around as either a RW or the hole player, and Bolo is an established LW.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #16 on: August 5, 2005, 09:00:49 pm »
Solano is of course a wonderful crosser and set-piece specialist, and would perhaps supply Crouch, Morientes and others with a steady supply of crosses. Don't really think he is the ideal solution though. Would prefer someone younger, someone faster, and someone with a spark to take on defenders and provide the zest of uncertainty.

I like Quaresma, he's young and has some outstanding dribbling ability. I haven't seen much of him though. Not sure how he's doing in the Portuguese league.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #17 on: August 5, 2005, 09:01:35 pm »
This isnt necessarily the end of the Gonzales saga, asl I agree we do need wingers to get the best out of Xabi and Stevie - wingers would stretch the play open gaps for their passing

Re switching wings with wingers, first get the basics right give the opposing Full back hell, beat them and cross,  after that you can think about switching wings ... but why would you if your just playing with the opposing full back ;-)
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #18 on: August 5, 2005, 09:03:30 pm »
HIRA...

I posted on Solano, and what would worry me with him is that you would need a beast of a RB to play for 90 minutes and remain uncovered almost the entire time.  Finnan is good, but you'd need someone with ridiculous pace to do it, and that is the one thing he lacks.

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #19 on: August 5, 2005, 09:04:59 pm »
If we can't get a winger by the start of the season, Rafa should play Gerrard on the right wing until Sinama-Pongolle is available, then play sinama on the right wing.

Then, continue pursuing a right-winger in the next transfer window.

look:

Kewell-----Alonso----Sissoko-----Gerrard

Gerrard can have his freedom to run forward, send in some deadly crosses from the right. When he's not doing that, he can break into the middle for some shots on goal. Basically, he has the attacking freedom he needs and that wing becomes invincible from enemy wingers because Gerrard and Finnan on the same flank makes it invulnerable IMO.

Obiously we dont want Gerrard there long-term but for now I feel he's the best solution. Garcia can still play, but instead as a withdrawn striker.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #20 on: August 5, 2005, 09:08:49 pm »
If we can't get a winger by the start of the season, Rafa should play Gerrard on the right wing until Sinama-Pongolle is available, then play sinama on the right wing.

Then, continue pursuing a right-winger in the next transfer window.

Playing Gerrard out there is feasible when the entire midfield is healthy...Momo becomes the holding mid and Alonso orchestrates the game...we might actually be more potent that way by putting the dynamo on the wing and letting the maestro conduct...

It would also allow Little Luis to roam more in the middle if we were to play with 5 mids...

The only caveat with that is if Gerrard would accept such a role.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #21 on: August 5, 2005, 09:10:55 pm »
If we can't get a winger by the start of the season, Rafa should play Gerrard on the right wing until Sinama-Pongolle is available, then play sinama on the right wing.

Then, continue pursuing a right-winger in the next transfer window.

look:

Kewell-----Alonso----Sissoko-----Gerrard


Agreed, except I'd play Zenden or even Riise on the left over Harry...Kewell's got a LOT of owning up to do.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #22 on: August 5, 2005, 09:14:04 pm »
The only caveat with that is if Gerrard would accept such a role.

He would accept it if he knew it was temporary, and more importantly if he is playing well there and enjoying himself I don't think he'll complain.

It would especially useful because it would give Sissoko lots of games in the PL to adapt and start fulfilling his potential which we got a glimpse of in the last game.

Agreed, except I'd play Zenden or even Riise on the left over Harry...Kewell's got a LOT of owning up to do.

I know what you mean with Kewell, but I still feel that if he plays to 75% of his potential, he's a more lethal winger than Zenden or Riise. He's got more pace, a good shot, and he can take on a man which Zenden and Riise can't do very well. Especially not Zenden.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #23 on: August 5, 2005, 10:41:49 pm »
Man City end Malbranque interest 
 
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Manchester City have ended their interest in signing Fulham midfielder Steed Malbranque - after having a second bid for him turned down.
City had already failed with a £4m offer for the 25-year-old.

And City spokesperson Rosie Bass confirmed: "The player has indicated that he wishes to stay with Fulham and our interest in him has now ended."

Sky Blues boss Stuart Pearce was keen on Malbranque after losing Shaun Wright-Phillips to Chelsea for £21m.

A statement on Fulham website's said: "A second increased bid from Manchester City for French midfielder Steed Malbranque has been turned down.

"After conversations with manager Chris Coleman, the player had also decided that he would prefer to remain with the club.

"We are delighted with the player's commitment to the new campaign."

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #24 on: August 6, 2005, 04:51:49 am »
Malbranque would be a good addition. But above 4 million is a bit too much.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #25 on: August 6, 2005, 12:40:08 pm »
So we need a right winger then?

And has Ronaldo won the league while at the mancs?

Na, but Chelsea did with Duff and Robben. Oh and now they have another one as well in SWP.

Duff and Robben
Pires and Ljunberg
Giggs (Rooney) and Ronaldo
Riise and Garcia

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #26 on: August 6, 2005, 04:29:25 pm »
I sense a 4-3-3 coming into play with Rafa if he doesn't get his wingers. Cisse on the right, Luis G or Kewell on the left, Crouch or Moro in the centre. Maybe Owen if we get him.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #27 on: August 6, 2005, 05:37:56 pm »
i personally think the right wing isnt even solved in rafas head yet.he knows who he wants but theres a choice,and it probably depends on who he moves on first,and whether owen comes back,either on loan or for good.

has anyone menchioned joaquin yet..?

i know everyone keeps saying we cant afford players like him,but at the start of the summer guillem balague said that rafa wants vincente,but will probably have to wait til next season for him.

so...if rafa is aiming that high on the left,whos to say hes not aiming just as high on the right..?

anyway that aside....rafa needs to make the team solid first and then get the crown jewels when hes succeeded,which is why i wouldnt be surprised if malbranque is on his list.can play anywhere accross the middle,and doesnt give in.

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #28 on: August 6, 2005, 06:49:42 pm »
i personally think the right wing isnt even solved in rafas head yet.he knows who he wants but theres a choice,and it probably depends on who he moves on first,and whether owen comes back,either on loan or for good.

has anyone menchioned joaquin yet..?

i know everyone keeps saying we cant afford players like him,but at the start of the summer guillem balague said that rafa wants vincente,but will probably have to wait til next season for him.

so...if rafa is aiming that high on the left,whos to say hes not aiming just as high on the right..?

anyway that aside....rafa needs to make the team solid first and then get the crown jewels when hes succeeded,which is why i wouldnt be surprised if malbranque is on his list.can play anywhere accross the middle,and doesnt give in.

you willing to chip in 20 million quid?

If so, let Rafa know about it eh?

I think Malbranque would be a good signing, but Juanfran would be even better.

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #29 on: August 6, 2005, 07:36:40 pm »
Might I suggest Richardo Quaresma (like every summer the last 4 years)?

Don't drag me into this soeculation please ;)

I'd make that sugestion
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #30 on: August 6, 2005, 07:58:07 pm »
Gonzales' move isn't off, it's merely a matter of getting a work permit sorted out. I do think that the appeal will be successful, since in his case, he has played in most of Chile's matches in the last year, and is not that young that he is a special case.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #31 on: August 6, 2005, 08:22:30 pm »
with rafa having said that he intended to conclude two signings last week, that of a right winger and a centre back, i would be very surprised if we didn't see someone coming in over the next few weeks.

he clearly knows what he needs, and he and parry have always stressed that they have a number of options for each position. who it might be is anyone's guess, but we do know that it ain't gonna be figo, while we also know that rafa has a long standing admiration for juanfran of madrid. dealing with madrid is a total pain in the arse though (may explain why nothing got announced on rafa's original timescale?).

i agree, though, that if we don't sign a right winger, then we should try gerrard / FSP out there, and also that rafa is likely to experiment with a 4-2-3-1 formation in such a scenario, given that we will lack natural width on the right until gonzales is fit (+ work-permitted up, which, incidentally, is likely to happen on appeal).
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #32 on: August 6, 2005, 08:53:35 pm »
i think the right winger should be serginho from ac if we could get him
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #33 on: August 6, 2005, 08:57:21 pm »
i think the right winger should be serginho from ac if we could get him

33 and a left winger.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #34 on: August 6, 2005, 09:03:10 pm »
yes with luis garica on the right
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #35 on: August 6, 2005, 09:20:31 pm »
funny man I see.

We've already got Zenden, Kewell, Riise and Gonzalez (Providing he gets his work permit) and Garcia as left wingers, why not go get another one??

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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #36 on: August 6, 2005, 09:30:50 pm »
what about joaquin from real betis, he is better than robben from chelsea
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #37 on: August 7, 2005, 02:01:31 am »
what about joaquin from real betis, he is better than robben from chelsea

But he would cost a silly price and we just dont have that type of money unfortunately.
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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #38 on: August 7, 2005, 02:31:29 am »
Solano is of course a wonderful crosser and set-piece specialist, and would perhaps supply Crouch, Morientes and others with a steady supply of crosses. Don't really think he is the ideal solution though. Would prefer someone younger, someone faster, and someone with a spark to take on defenders and provide the zest of uncertainty.


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Re: The Missing Wing
« Reply #39 on: August 7, 2005, 02:38:50 am »
Darijo Srna is one to watch also Daniel De Ridder.
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