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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2021, 04:15:19 pm »
Immediately Biden will want to contain Covid. Good luck with that one.

I suppose the first things he needs to do is draw up a list of priorities for his first 2-years before the 2022 Primaries. The balance will be what's important to him,  what he knows he can get through with Manchin on board and what he can attached to the budget process.

Ultimately I'm sure he'll want to look at voter reform, anything to stop voter suppression, new judges and legislation that seeks to ensure a fairer society.

He'll invoke the Defence and Production Act immediately, to get everyone singing from the same song sheet.  Trump pretty much left it up to the individual states, because he's a lazy, good for nothing cnut.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2021, 05:21:58 pm »
It states that the Democrats will not control the Senate any sooner than January 20th. 

I'm not 100% sure but I think it will be later than that. I can't find the source but I swear I read Kamala Harris' replacement Alex Padilla won't be sworn in until something like a week later. As Harris will become VP on the 20th, this means the Dems will be one senator down until then.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2021, 05:28:56 pm »
I'm not 100% sure but I think it will be later than that. I can't find the source but I swear I read Kamala Harris' replacement Alex Padilla won't be sworn in until something like a week later. As Harris will become VP on the 20th, this means the Dems will be one senator down until then.

Sounds about right.  Which still leaves impeachment in the hands of Mitch McConnell.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2021, 05:29:10 pm »
He'll invoke the Defence and Production Act immediately, to get everyone singing from the same song sheet.  Trump pretty much left it up to the individual states, because he's a lazy, good for nothing cnut.

Would that even work though?  The production plants have been funded already and are already producing vaccine.  At this point the companies have to honour their 2021 orders.  DPA is designed to unblock the system however we're already seeing more doses go out than have been administered.

Seems the issue he's going to see most will be vaccine reticence (except a massive disinformation campaign on this) and actually getting people to the vaccination centres.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2021, 05:32:14 pm »
Would that even work though?  The production plants have been funded already and are already producing vaccine.  At this point the companies have to honour their 2021 orders.  DPA is designed to unblock the system however we're already seeing more doses go out than have been administered.

Seems the issue he's going to see most will be vaccine reticence (except a massive disinformation campaign on this) and actually getting people to the vaccination centres.

It's needed for all manner of things, not just vaccine production but also the rollout, establishing vaccination centres - and PPE is still very much needed.  I imagine Biden will also look to apply federal pressure to states on basic precautions such as mask wearing etc.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2021, 05:34:02 pm »
It's needed for all manner of things, not just vaccine production but also the rollout, establishing vaccination centres - and PPE is still very much needed.  I imagine Biden will also look to apply federal pressure to states on basic precautions such as mask wearing etc.

Absolutely he's got to make a big splash and lose the 'sleep joe' mantra as well as confirm those Americans who hold their nose and voted for him (yet rep down the ticket) that he's the man for the job.

I'd expect an initial flurry of bills but we'll have to see what actually gets through.  From the market reaction to Manchin's reticence on a stimulus we'd likely see this get through after all, but beyond that a lot depends on how radical he wants to go.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2021, 05:37:08 pm »
Absolutely he's got to make a big splash and lose the 'sleep joe' mantra as well as confirm those Americans who hold their nose and voted for him (yet rep down the ticket) that he's the man for the job.

I'd expect an initial flurry of bills but we'll have to see what actually gets through.  From the market reaction to Manchin's reticence on a stimulus we'd likely see this get through after all, but beyond that a lot depends on how radical he wants to go.

I don't think the "sleepy Joe" nickname ever really stuck - after all, 82m Americans voted for him.

Also, it's a mistake to view this as a "statement of intent"; that implies it's a political, rather than a practical act.  It's not.  This is urgently needed and will make a difference.

Joe isn't Trump, looking for photo ops and flashing Executive Orders at the cameras.  He's looking to get some work done.  In terms of a radical agenda, that's not the issue for the first weeks of his presidency.  He's got a pandemic to fight.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2021, 05:44:20 pm »
I don't think the "sleepy Joe" nickname ever really stuck - after all, 82m Americans voted for him.

Also, it's a mistake to view this as a "statement of intent"; that implies it's a political, rather than a practical act.  It's not.  This is urgently needed and will make a difference.

Joe isn't Trump, looking for photo ops and flashing Executive Orders at the cameras.  He's looking to get some work done.  In terms of a radical agenda, that's not the issue for the first weeks of his presidency.  He's got a pandemic to fight.

Perhaps not the nickname but Biden is quite an old chap and his address following the Capitol building incident seemed to highlight how frail he looks.  Being decisive early on strengthens his hand amongst those top of the ticket Dem voters who he'll need to stay on-side for the mid terms when traditionally you'd see some atrophy of majorities. 

Certainly none of the radical left agenda will come through for probably three to four months.  My main concerns are whether we're going to see stock market instability following the pandemic plans and just how much it costs to get through this.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2021, 05:50:55 pm »
Perhaps not the nickname but Biden is quite an old chap and his address following the Capitol building incident seemed to highlight how frail he looks.  Being decisive early on strengthens his hand amongst those top of the ticket Dem voters who he'll need to stay on-side for the mid terms when traditionally you'd see some atrophy of majorities. 

Certainly none of the radical left agenda will come through for probably three to four months.  My main concerns are whether we're going to see stock market instability following the pandemic plans and just how much it costs to get through this.

I don't think anybody disputes Biden is old, but equally he comes across as decisive and determined when he speaks.  He's clearly a guy who has his wits about him, and I think worrying about the mid terms is not his immediate concern.  His sheer contrast compared to 45 so far is already marked, and Biden is the elder of the two.

The market is the least of our worries.  45's treatement of the situation has led to chaos in a market he has been first to take credit for, but as we've seen over the past few years is not a realistic barometer of the economy.  The tax cutting Republicans will lay hand on any stick to beat Biden with, but America is the biggest economy on the planet, and Biden will look to drive the pandemic response first and foremost.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2021, 07:50:40 pm »
I'm not 100% sure but I think it will be later than that. I can't find the source but I swear I read Kamala Harris' replacement Alex Padilla won't be sworn in until something like a week later. As Harris will become VP on the 20th, this means the Dems will be one senator down until then.
Normally unless as a result of death you don't let your state be without a senator. GA currently has one vacancy bc of they the 6 year seat go to a  runoff(Purdue term expired on Jan 3). Pretty sure Padilla will be Sworn in after Harris Resigns her seat. The Question is when do the Senators from GA get sworn in, The deadline is Jan 22 for it be certified, GA SOS said he will do as soon he can. https://www.cbs46.com/news/brad-raffensperger-intends-to-certify-results-of-georgias-senate-runoffs-by-january-20-but-cant/article_c48f6d6e-8a22-52d5-a323-64f34e1a7dfc.html
 
The Senate will remain 51-48 till Both Georgia Senators are sworn in then it will be 50-50.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2021, 03:20:48 pm »
> I'd be interested to know what our American Reds are hoping to see done over the coming months.
> Or maybe what they think is possible under the current circumstances.

I am 53 and have lived in the USA for 28 years.

I would say I am looking short term for
- getting a clear coherent plan out there for covid and managing the vaccine
- expansion of the ACA

medium term
- reestablish positions on climate control around the world
- rebuild relationships with the rest of the world and our traditional allies in Europe and the UK in particualar.
- police reform
- tax reform
- gun reform (gentle steps)
- election reform
- military cuts
- affordable college

I think much of it is possible if we do 2 things
- try not to do too much too soon
- Then work on winning small battles and pushing the line forward.

Actually i just want sanity again.


Decriminalize cannabis, and reschedule it. That's another big policy point that I'm watching for closely. The decrim bill has already passed the house so technically should be ready to go in the Senate (I'm sure there's some reason why it will take years though)

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2021, 03:33:21 pm »
The fact that Joe Biden is pretty old is, in my view, largely irrelevant. A good leader is someone who will surround themselves with intelligent, specialised people who know what they are talking about - and more importantly will listen, and has experience in public office. Yes, he will make the crucial decisions and take decisive action where necessary, but it will be on the basis of a willingness to take on board the advice in the first place and make informed decisions. He also has a relatively young and energetic VP who I think will be more than just another 'suit' as many VP's have been - including Biden himself.

It is easy to forget that one of the greatest leaders in a time of extreme difficulty was FDR. He was frail as he was essentially wheelchair bound. It didn`t affect his decision making, his ability to listen to the right people and choose the right people in the first place.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2021, 10:47:04 pm »
The fact that Joe Biden is pretty old is, in my view, largely irrelevant. A good leader is someone who will surround themselves with intelligent, specialised people who know what they are talking about - and more importantly will listen, and has experience in public office. Yes, he will make the crucial decisions and take decisive action where necessary, but it will be on the basis of a willingness to take on board the advice in the first place and make informed decisions. He also has a relatively young and energetic VP who I think will be more than just another 'suit' as many VP's have been - including Biden himself.

Completely agree with that mate, it can't be overstated how meticulous Biden has been assembling his entire team. The country really will benefit from a competent and diverse administration once the swamp is drained.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2021, 11:48:40 pm »
Completely agree with that mate, it can't be overstated how meticulous Biden has been assembling his entire team. The country really will benefit from a competent and diverse administration once the swamp is drained.

The manner in which Biden presides is as important, especially at the start of his term, as the policies he proposes.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2021, 07:39:30 pm »

Tom Hanks will host a 90 minute television special on the night of the inauguration in lieu of the inaugural ball.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2021, 07:52:11 pm »
The fact that Joe Biden is pretty old is, in my view, largely irrelevant. A good leader is someone who will surround themselves with intelligent, specialised people who know what they are talking about - and more importantly will listen, and has experience in public office. Yes, he will make the crucial decisions and take decisive action where necessary, but it will be on the basis of a willingness to take on board the advice in the first place and make informed decisions. He also has a relatively young and energetic VP who I think will be more than just another 'suit' as many VP's have been - including Biden himself.

It is easy to forget that one of the greatest leaders in a time of extreme difficulty was FDR. He was frail as he was essentially wheelchair bound. It didn`t affect his decision making, his ability to listen to the right people and choose the right people in the first place.

I'm no fan of Churchill, but people seem to forget he took office at a time of war at the age of 65, and he had at least one stroke (heart attack?) during WW2.

I feel for Biden though.  He ran for president several times.  I can't imagine a more daunting prospect of leadership at a time of life when he'd probably prefer to be putting his feet up.  It's a measure of his love for country and sense of duty that he's about to take office at arguably the darkest moment in American history since the height of Vietnam.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2021, 10:34:31 am »
How long will it take for Mitch and his cronies to make life difficult for Joe as their sole goal is to win the Senate back in 2 years time. I guess they already  have started as the vast majority of the Republicans think Joe won by a fraud. The man has virtually an impossible job as while he can roll out the vaccines, start the slow return to normality the country will in the middle of a depression by 2022.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2021, 06:46:45 pm »
Biden unveils plan to pump $1.9 trillion into pandemic-hit economy

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The aid package includes $415 billion to bolster the response to the virus and the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, some $1 trillion in direct relief to households, and roughly $440 billion for small businesses and communities particularly hard hit by the pandemic.

Stimulus payment checks would be issued for $1,400 - on top of the $600 checks delivered by the last congressional stimulus legislation. Supplemental unemployment insurance would also increase to $400 a week from $300 a week now and would be extended to September.

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Transition officials said Biden’s plan will be a rescue package that will be followed up with another recovery package in the coming weeks.

The plan would extend moratoriums on foreclosures and evictions until September and include funding for rental and utility assistance.

The president-elect also called on Congress to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour, and the package will include assistance to fight hunger.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-stimulus/biden-unveils-plan-to-pump-1-9-trillion-into-pandemic-hit-economy-idUSKBN29J1B1

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-stimulus-details-factbox/factbox-bidens-1-9-trillion-spending-proposal-seeks-to-give-economic-relief-boost-vaccine-program-idUSKBN29J2WF
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2021, 09:57:04 pm »
How long will it take for Mitch and his cronies to make life difficult for Joe as their sole goal is to win the Senate back in 2 years time. I guess they already  have started as the vast majority of the Republicans think Joe won by a fraud. The man has virtually an impossible job as while he can roll out the vaccines, start the slow return to normality the country will in the middle of a depression by 2022.

About 24 hours.

Biden unveils plan to pump $1.9 trillion into pandemic-hit economy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-stimulus/biden-unveils-plan-to-pump-1-9-trillion-into-pandemic-hit-economy-idUSKBN29J1B1

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-stimulus-details-factbox/factbox-bidens-1-9-trillion-spending-proposal-seeks-to-give-economic-relief-boost-vaccine-program-idUSKBN29J2WF

but the Democrats are definitely to the right of most European left-wing parties. ::)
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2021, 06:08:27 am »

I can not say, I will be rushing to order the fanny pack and tie dye sweatshirt.    :D

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2021, 06:38:03 am »
Biden conveyed a clear idea concisely and in complete sentences. I understood his point, which appears to clearly articulate policy. What wizardry is this?
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2021, 11:24:01 pm »
Biden conveyed a clear idea concisely and in complete sentences. I understood his point, which appears to clearly articulate policy. What wizardry is this?
Get used to it. You are in four at least more years of this. It is not as entertaining, I'll give Biden's detractors that - but only that. Fuck me, how I longed for this and four more years of boring, lucid sanity. No hypervigilant watching of the news. No wondering what fresh insane shit will occur each and every day. Bliss.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2021, 12:03:33 am »
Tom Hanks will host a 90 minute television special on the night of the inauguration in lieu of the inaugural ball.

I hope Wilson is co-hosting.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2021, 12:03:42 am »

Joe and Kamala has dropped a 46 song playlist.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2021, 03:20:42 pm »
Ron Klain says the first ten days will be spent over-turning Trumps most “grievous” (let’s be generous and call them) errors:

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-team-10-day-timetable-reverse-trump-damages-1562191?amp=1

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2021, 08:37:36 pm »
This is a beautiful piece of writing by Fintan O'Toole on why Biden might be uniquely suited to being president at this time.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jan/16/can-joe-biden-make-america-great-again

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2021, 08:54:47 pm »
Excellent article.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2021, 09:24:26 pm »
https://twitter.com/jakejsullivan/status/1350893957375471628?s=20

Strong start from the incoming National Security Advisor here! This all feels weird after the last 4 years.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2021, 09:57:04 pm »
https://twitter.com/jakejsullivan/status/1350893957375471628?s=20

Strong start from the incoming National Security Advisor here! This all feels weird after the last 4 years.

but - but Putin says he had nothing to do with it....
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
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Biden is planning to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline permit.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2021, 02:22:38 pm »
I'm not 100% sure but I think it will be later than that. I can't find the source but I swear I read Kamala Harris' replacement Alex Padilla won't be sworn in until something like a week later. As Harris will become VP on the 20th, this means the Dems will be one senator down until then.

From the CHC Website:

We anticipate Senator-designate Alex Padilla will join the CHC in the coming weeks when he is sworn-in to the Senate before Inauguration Day on January 20, 2020.

Could be today then.....
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2021, 02:49:08 pm »
Get used to it. You are in four at least more years of this. It is not as entertaining, I'll give Biden's detractors that - but only that. Fuck me, how I longed for this and four more years of boring, lucid sanity. No hypervigilant watching of the news. No wondering what fresh insane shit will occur each and every day. Bliss.
I'm always a bit puzzled when some people seem to want to be entertained by politicians and confuse entertainment value with suitability for high office.

I want hard work, dedication to duty and competence. The more boring the better.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2021, 06:40:08 pm »
One of the Democrats first measures will be an enhanced voting package
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dems-prepare-govern-bolstering-democracy-top-priority-n1254702

- Automatic voter registration
- Same day registration
- Independent redistricting commissions
- Extensive early voting
- Enhanced disclosure requirements re: lobbying, dark money, presidential/V.P tax records

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #74 on: January 19, 2021, 06:42:59 pm »
One of the Democrats first measures will be an enhanced voting package
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dems-prepare-govern-bolstering-democracy-top-priority-n1254702

- Automatic voter registration
- Same day registration
- Independent redistricting commissions
- Extensive early voting
- Enhanced disclosure requirements re: lobbying, dark money, presidential/V.P tax records

Welcome to 20th century Canada America

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2021, 06:43:53 pm »
> I'd be interested to know what our American Reds are hoping to see done over the coming months.
> Or maybe what they think is possible under the current circumstances.

I am 53 and have lived in the USA for 28 years.

I would say I am looking short term for
- getting a clear coherent plan out there for covid and managing the vaccine
- expansion of the ACA

medium term
- reestablish positions on climate control around the world
- rebuild relationships with the rest of the world and our traditional allies in Europe and the UK in particualar.
- police reform
- tax reform
- gun reform (gentle steps)
- election reform
- military cuts
- affordable college

I think much of it is possible if we do 2 things
- try not to do too much too soon
- Then work on winning small battles and pushing the line forward.

Actually i just want sanity again.


I'm 51 and have lived here for 24 years.

Chuck in health care reform and I would agree.

I see health care reform and gun control as the two massive social issues after the immediate issues of Covid and the economy.

Repairing the relationships around the world I think is more straight forward. Not being Trump and being a regular mold politician should reset a lot of relationships.


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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2021, 06:50:27 pm »
From the CHC Website:

We anticipate Senator-designate Alex Padilla will join the CHC in the coming weeks when he is sworn-in to the Senate before Inauguration Day on January 20, 2020.

Could be today then.....

Fair enough I stand corrected! Never did find the article where I read that.

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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #77 on: January 19, 2021, 06:51:24 pm »
I'm 51 and have lived here for 24 years.

Chuck in health care reform and I would agree.

I see health care reform and gun control as the two massive social issues after the immediate issues of Covid and the economy.

Repairing the relationships around the world I think is more straight forward. Not being Trump and being a regular mold politician should reset a lot of relationships.

Not too clear cut.  I think a lot of countries are wary of the US now.  They'll be wondering when and where the next lunatic from the Republican Party will be coming along.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2021, 07:06:34 pm »
I'm always a bit puzzled when some people seem to want to be entertained by politicians and confuse entertainment value with suitability for high office.

I want hard work, dedication to duty and competence. The more boring the better.
I wonder how many people who voted for Trump have forgotten (if they ever knew) what competent, dull, getting stuff done looks like. Perhaps they will now instead scan the emergency services radio frequencies so that they can turn up to car accidents and literal train wrecks to satiate their hunger for chaos and death. They either must have no understanding of what constitutes planning and organisation, or they are sociopaths. No exceptions.
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Re: The Joe Biden Presidency Thread - 46th President of the United States
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2021, 07:09:08 pm »
I wonder how many people who voted for Trump have forgotten (if they ever knew) what competent, dull, getting stuff done looks like. Perhaps they will now instead scan the emergency services radio frequencies so that they can turn up to car accidents and literal train wrecks to satiate their hunger chaos and death. They either must have no understanding of what constitutes planning and organisation, or they are sociopaths. No exceptions.

I think we all know that the US has long since put personality over substance when it comes to their elections; it was one of the most noticeable side effects of presidential debates, and culminated with them literally electing a reality TV gameshow host.
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