Topic: Jordan Henderson

[Hazell]

Some good posts from Cpt_Reina and Rohit amidst a sea of nonsense. We have other options who can play on the right/left of midfield, some of which we don't use an awful lot and maybe it's time to take Henderson out of the firing line for a bit and use them.

[Fordy]

Some good posts from Cpt_Reina and Rohit amidst a sea of nonsense. We have other options who can play on the right/left of midfield, some of which we don't use an awful lot and maybe it's time to take Henderson out of the firing line for a bit and use them.

Amidst the sea of nonsense ha ha

Some very good points people have made.

[The G in Gerrard]

Some good posts from Cpt_Reina and Rohit amidst a sea of nonsense. We have other options who can play on the right/left of midfield, some of which we don't use an awful lot and maybe it's time to take Henderson out of the firing line for a bit and use them.

He should haven't been thrown in at start of season imo

[Hazell]

Amidst the sea of nonsense ha ha

Some very good points people have made.

Yeah, I remember one of them as being 'he's shite'.

[smicer07]

Jeered off? Memories of Lucas...

[smicer07]

Know, I don't.

I liked it mate, nobody else noticed the quality of that joke in a sea of shite.

[Hazell]

He should haven't been thrown in at start of season imo

Maybe not, I certainly would have liked us to use Maxi a bit more but the problem is quite a few of the signings haven't worked and other players already here haven't performed to the level we would expect and therefore we can't replace him with someone who can come in and perform well if that makes sense. Still think he's been used too much though.

[ChristophLFC]

Jeered off? Memories of Lucas...

Tony Barrett ‏ @TonyBarretTimes 
Liverpool have been absolutely dreadful so far. The home fans are running out with Jordan Henderson in particular

i hope he didn't get it too much yesterday, it would probably ruin him.

[Stevie07]

There's certain games that he's picked for that don't help him or the team, Wigan at home was one of those games and Stoke at home also springs to mind. There's been some games this season where he appears to have been given a specific role or job to do where he has shown signs of potential but in my opinion he's been used far too much.

Wigan seemed to be another example of Henderson having no defined role to play and therefore contributing nothing to the team as a whole. He didn't get forward enough to suggest he was supposed to be playing in attack nor did he sit deep enough to indicate he was playing in central midfield. Yesterday wasn't the first time this has happened so I think Dalglish has to shoulder alot of the responsibility as he isn't communicating what Henderson should be doing clearly enough and seems reluctant to make use of the alternatives (e.g. Carroll, Maxi).

Henderson will improve and right now his confidence is completely shot but it's time other formations and players were looked at, after the Everton and Stoke games I thought we'd go on and play 442 for the rest of the season maybe we should go back to the that considering the last two games.

[Wingman]

Jeered off? Memories of Lucas...

If (or as I think, when) he comes good none of the plebs jeering yesterday will ever admit to it though. Fickle, impatient, know-nothings who had they been supporting Utd in the late 80's would have been screaming "Mr Alex Ferguson out!" only to now be calling him the greatest manager ever

[Fuzion6]

Got outplayed by James McCarthy yday...as did Gerrard. Like Henderson but was surprised McCarthy wasn't our buy last yr

[Fordy]

Yeah, I remember one of them as being 'he's shite'.

He is though.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

He's one of the most timid footballers I've ever seen.He's been subbed early in gameson so many occasions this season yet still starts the next week,very strange.

[Didi_ram]

Tony Barrett ‏ @TonyBarretTimes 
Liverpool have been absolutely dreadful so far. The home fans are running out with Jordan Henderson in particular

That's what happens when a player who isnt ready is thrusted in,and is made to start almost every game,when in reality,he shouldnt be given the odd starts and other sub appearances.

[TOMMO86]

Play him in a 2 in a 4-2-3-1 and I think you will see a better player.

Does this well for the u21's

[ChristophLFC]

That's what happens when a player who isnt ready is thrusted in,and is made to start almost every game,when in reality,he shouldnt be given the odd starts and other sub appearances.

exactly. im very surprised at the way kenny has handled henderson, he should never of been a starter for us this season and should of been brought off the bench for 20, 30 mins throughout the season to gain experience and build his confidence up slowly

being the player he is that rely's on confidence i think this could destroy him if the fans start getting on his back, henderson is just happy to coast through games and release the ball asap. i dont think he has the right mentality for the club he's too timid.
 

[Pistolero]

Some very good points people have made.

[Hazell]

He is though.

Yeah whatever mate. Trying to have a rational debate with you about the merits of certain players is impossible so I'm not even going to bother if that's the best you can come up with as a 'very good point'.

[penga]

He's not shite and people can see some potential but he needs A LOT OF IMPROVING...just like Carroll. Although with Carroll one feels he will have more trouble fitting into our systems of play.

As I posted earlier for those who havn't see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-u48j8Nf4

I find it hard to believe people actually still praising him in the comments section of this youtube video for this match. What is he doing at 2:05 seriously...This is not the right mentality at any time of any match, just shirking responsibility.

[Cpt_Reina]

He can't tackle, he's not fast, he can't take players on, his crossing is poor, he's not aggressive enough, he has no confidence, is it only one goal he's scored and how many assists has he got.

Sounds awfully familiar that.

Henderson has replaced Lucas as my measuring stick now. If people cant see the potential then they're more often then not, not worth listening to.

Time was I'd ask people what they thought of Lucas and if they came out with the usual Skywashed nonsense Id know they weren't worth paying attention to. Henderson is now that man.

[Fordy]

Yeah whatever mate. Trying to have a rational debate with you about the merits of certain players is impossible so I'm not even going to bother if that's the best you can come up with as a 'very good point'.

Mate I was just pointing out something that clearly you don't want to see or admit.

[Dentron]

Henderson bothers me. I really, really like him as a player. I think he has loads of ability, and I know he sees the field extremely well. For some reason, though, he looks scared to attempt anything even remotely dynamic, and when he does, he's hesitant and it doesn't come off. It's like he has a filter between his mind and his feet that more dynamic midfield players lack. He looks like he's thinking about what his coaches want him to do, rather than just playing.

He really needs to be dropped for a bit. Playing is just hurting his confidence at the moment. I think the system isn't very flattering for him, but he also isn't doing himself any favors.

Let Shelvey get a few games in his place. Looks the better player at the moment. Think Henderson just needs to sort a few things out mentally.

[Melbred]

Mate I was just pointing out something that clearly you don't want to see or admit.

Funny coming from the person who sings Adam's praises.

[liverpooll]

Sounds awfully familiar that.

Henderson has replaced Lucas as my measuring stick now. If people cant see the potential then they're more often then not, not worth listening to.

Time was I'd ask people what they thought of Lucas and if they came out with the usual Skywashed nonsense Id know they weren't worth paying attention to. Henderson is now that man.

Lucas and Henderson are different as they have different roles and thus different expectations.

And it is crazy to have excuses that every young player does not deserve any criticize and free to criticizm. Remember, no one forced us to sign and play him in the first team, so if he is playing in the first team, we all will judge him based on that, not his age.

[Suspect Package.]

Mate I was just pointing out something that clearly you don't want to see or admit.

Thank you for telling the lowly people what their opinions should be.

Great, we don't have to worry about making our minds on things any more, you've done it for us.

[Fordy]

Play him in a 2 in a 4-2-3-1 and I think you will see a better player.

Does this well for the u21's

Play him here, play him there.

For the under 21's he plays best as a DM - in the Lucas role. That for me is where I see his best position- not rm- not cm - not am.

However problem is he is a shithouse and a confidence player- midfield Emily hesky. So with this in mind we couldn't play he often at DM.

It's a poor signing by us this on ever level.

[Cpt_Reina]

Lucas and Henderson are different as they have different roles and thus different expectations.

Now they do, he and 07/08 or 08/09 Lucas are much more alike.

[liverpooll]

Now they do, he and 07/08 or 08/09 Lucas are much more alike.

No they are not. Just because people do not rate Henderson, does not mean that he is alike of Lucas.

Would you have asked for this patience with Poulsen.

[subroc]

That's what happens when a player who isnt ready is thrusted in,and is made to start almost every game,when in reality,he shouldnt be given the odd starts and other sub appearances.

That is what I have been repeating. The lad is not ready and all this pressure may break him at this stage.

[Cpt_Reina]

No they are not. Just because people do not rate Henderson, does not mean that he is alike of Lucas.

Would you have asked for this patience with Poulsen.

You think Poulson is a more apt comparison?

I'll leave it at that.

My system's already working.

[subroc]

Now they do, he and 07/08 or 08/09 Lucas are much more alike.

Not only are they different, but the way they were blooded was also very different. Lucas was brought in gradually and given much time to acclimate to the team and to the league. Henderson was thrown in as first choice from the start of the season and treated as if he were an experienced finished article player.

[liverpooll]

You think Poulson is a more apt comparison?

I'll leave it at that.

My system's already working.

Seems like you have successfully been fooled in believing that Henderson will automatically become better by playing more games.

Does not really work.

[Flinstone]

Lucas and Henderson are different as they have different roles and thus different expectations.

And it is crazy to have excuses that every young player does not deserve any criticize and free to criticizm. Remember, no one forced us to sign and play him in the first team, so if he is playing in the first team, we all will judge him based on that, not his age.

criticize him? fine...no problem.

there are people calling him a shithouse,the worst signing in liverpool's history and saying he should be moved on.all some people are saying is the potential is there...give him time

[Cpt_Reina]

Not only are they different, but the way they were blooded was also very different. Lucas was brought in gradually and given much time to acclimate to the team and to the league. Henderson was thrown in as first choice from the start of the season and treated as if he were an experienced finished article player.

Gerrard was injured. Then Lucas was injured. Then Spearing was suspended. Now Adam's injured.

Henderson's had to play.

Its something Fordy in his endless hypocrisy neglects to mention, whilst using the same excuse to exonerate Adam from any criticism.

[Melbred]

Gerrard was injured. Then Lucas was injured. Then Spearing was suspended. Now Adam's injured.

Henderson's had to play.

Its something Fordy in his endless hypocrisy neglects to mention, whilst using the same excuse to exonerate Adam from any criticism.

Henderson had to play as a right sided midfielder?

[subroc]

Gerrard was injured. Then Lucas was injured. Then Spearing was suspended. Now Adam's injured.

Henderson's had to play.

Its something Fordy in his endless hypocrisy neglects to mention, whilst using the same excuse to exonerate Adam from any criticism.

I was referring to the fact that Henderson was played as first choice from the beginning of the season along with all the newcomers and Meireles gotten rid of before it wa clear that Henderson was ready, in clear violation of the tradiional Liverpool way of blooding the newbies in gradually until they prove to be better than the ones they are replacing.

[Cpt_Reina]

Henderson had to play as a right sided midfielder?

What are our other options out there? Kuyt? Who's had his worst season to date.

[Melbred]

What are our other options out there? Kuyt? Who's had his worst season to date.

Your point was he had to play because our options in the centre were out injured/suspended, when he's been played on the right for most of the season.

Yeah Kuyt and especially Maxi should have been given more of a chance instead of throwing him in a position where he's uncomfortable.

Henderson didn't have to play at all.

[penga]

It is still unclear why we bought him considering how much depth we had in midfield before we shipped 2 off. If he was bought as an RM, should've gone for Oxlade-Chamberlain...someone who visibly has the proper skills to play out wide and has shown against Milan that he can play CM properly as well. We got sucked into the trap of focusing too heavily on that chances created stat and the prem proven factor. He is very much like Meireles in that his preferred position was the centre but he could do almost equally good (or bad) shifts on the right and as such had no set position, it was a weird decision to trade for a similar type of player for little reason other than recouping a good value and trading for potential.

[Rob17]

Seems like you have successfully been fooled in believing that Henderson will automatically become better by playing more games.

Does not really work.

Is it that hard to understand that Henderson is at the age where he has the time to develop the raw attributes he has into a much better all round player a lot like Lucs did regardless of where they play?

Comparing him to an ageing 31 year old Christian Poulsen is ridiculous.