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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10360 on: October 16, 2018, 09:18:38 pm »
 Think this is all bullshit to be honest, they’ll all be playing on Saturday

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10361 on: October 16, 2018, 09:35:41 pm »
Keita now, who doesn't love the international breaks.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10362 on: October 16, 2018, 09:58:09 pm »
Just listened to today's talking reds where at around minute six into the video its said Salah will be fit for the weekend..

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10363 on: October 16, 2018, 10:17:36 pm »
Saw a stat on twitter earlier saying ~35% of days missed due to injury over the past four years have come as a result of International breaks.

I have no idea how this compares to other teams, but it seems quite high. I can see why Klopp gets so frustrated with some of these matches.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10364 on: October 16, 2018, 10:33:12 pm »
Saw a stat on twitter earlier saying ~35% of days missed due to injury over the past four years have come as a result of International breaks.

I have no idea how this compares to other teams, but it seems quite high. I can see why Klopp gets so frustrated with some of these matches.

All the African players got injured this time, albeit Mane’s injury was unfortunate. Mane got injured last season as well didnt he?

One of the issues of being the main star for those countries.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10365 on: October 16, 2018, 10:47:36 pm »
All the African players got injured this time, albeit Mane’s injury was unfortunate. Mane got injured last season as well didnt he?

One of the issues of being the main star for those countries.

Yeah. According to transfermarkt, he got injured on October 9th last year, which was in the middle of an international break.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10366 on: October 16, 2018, 10:50:33 pm »
Maddock’s article tonight says all the players are doubts for the weekend and are still awaiting assessments so not sure why he was claiming Salah was fine for the weekend yesterday.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10367 on: October 16, 2018, 11:20:44 pm »
Keita now, who doesn't love the international breaks.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10368 on: October 16, 2018, 11:27:04 pm »
Why don't we all wait until the manager gives his assessment at the PC on Friday or whenever it is.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10369 on: October 16, 2018, 11:45:37 pm »
Why don't we all wait until the manager gives his assessment at the PC on Friday or whenever it is.
Good idea, since when was Maddock/Mirror reliable?

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10370 on: October 16, 2018, 11:55:14 pm »
Good idea, since when was Maddock/Mirror reliable?
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10371 on: October 17, 2018, 12:35:43 am »
Maddock’s article tonight says all the players are doubts for the weekend and are still awaiting assessments so not sure why he was claiming Salah was fine for the weekend yesterday.

Yup he's a massive contradiction. Yesterday he said all are likely to play, today they're all doubts.

But it's  nothing that we didn't know already we knew that no decision would be made on whether or not they would be ready till Friday's session

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10372 on: October 17, 2018, 12:57:50 am »
International football should be given a rest after a summer tournament. Euro teams take a break after the Euro’s, African teams after the CoN etc. everyone after the WC. It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10373 on: October 17, 2018, 02:20:28 am »
International football should be given a rest after a summer tournament. Euro teams take a break after the Euro’s, African teams after the CoN etc. everyone after the WC. It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.

Just take it outside the domestic season, nobody wants it there.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10374 on: October 17, 2018, 03:32:43 am »
International football should be given a rest after a summer tournament. Euro teams take a break after the Euro’s, African teams after the CoN etc. everyone after the WC. It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.

That sounds dangerously like common sense. A better solution would be to introduce representative football by county/departement/etc. of origin. There are still plenty of Mondays and Fridays available on the calendar. Plus, what's the winter break for?

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10375 on: October 17, 2018, 08:10:40 am »
I wonder if anyone has done an analysis of injury rates for international football vs domestic? Seems we always loose players to injury after international duty.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10376 on: October 17, 2018, 09:10:51 am »

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Naby Keita to have scan on hamstring today as Liverpool determine full extent of injury.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10377 on: October 17, 2018, 09:18:32 am »
I wonder if anyone has done an analysis of injury rates for international football vs domestic? Seems we always loose players to injury after international duty.

My subjective analysis

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10378 on: October 17, 2018, 09:19:16 am »
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Naby Keita to have scan on hamstring today as Liverpool determine full extent of injury.


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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10379 on: October 17, 2018, 09:23:34 am »
The last time I had a bruised rib, I could neither sneeze, cough, nor laugh.... Van Dijk played 3 games with a bruised rib! !!!

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10380 on: October 17, 2018, 09:24:41 am »
The last time I had a bruised rib, I could neither sneeze, cough, nor laugh.... Van Dijk played 3 games with a bruised rib! !!!

Last time I tried to kick a football I sprained my ankle and had to lay down for a bit.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10381 on: October 17, 2018, 09:30:59 am »
Last time I tried to kick a football I sprained my ankle and had to lay down for a bit.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10382 on: October 17, 2018, 12:25:18 pm »
Certainly is, feel free to pull up a seat and rock back and forth with the rest of us.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10383 on: October 17, 2018, 12:47:28 pm »
Just take it outside the domestic season, nobody wants it there.

Just take it out and shoot it, more like.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10384 on: October 17, 2018, 04:23:53 pm »
It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.

This is definitely true this year more than ever. I watched the world cup, but once it was over I'd happily not watch any international football for 6 months or even a year. Its definitely a case of less is more with England, and it diminishes the significance of each game the more they play. Representing your country used to be an honour, with a high number of caps only being earned by the very best players. Now it seems anyone with a pulse can play.

However, in terms of injuries, the main reason we're in this position is due to having so many top quality internationals in our team. Unfortunately, International coaches and physios are rarely going to take as much care of our players as we do, and as International breaks tend to come on the back of an intense period of domestic football, injuries are even more likely during a period when players should ideally be resting.

The real question for me is - do we have similar numbers of injuries as other teams with a similar number of international players? If we do, then at least we're all in the same boat and the issue is about scheduling of matches and how much international game time is reasonable. However, if we have more injuries than most other teams, then that would point to other factors such as player fatigue (possibly due to our style and training), poor handling of our players by the countries coaches/medical staff, and a dilemma on where the power lies in deciding whether a player can play or not. A player may well be technically 'fit' to play, but if they are just off the back of club injuries (like VVD and Keita) there is a strong argument they should stay with their club unless the competitions they are called up for are of a real significance (i.e. the Euros or World cup qualifiers/matches).
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10385 on: October 17, 2018, 04:27:38 pm »
If you withdraw them when they are fit to play with injuries that you can manage then teams can invoke rules that suspend that player from playing for you, like Ireland have just done with Kyle Lafferty.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10387 on: October 17, 2018, 04:39:25 pm »
Shall we speculate about Sadio's surgery?

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/321099-sadio-mane-hand-injury-update

The fact that he's not been ruled out, suggests that it's a minor injury and that he could potentially play this weekend or the following week

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10389 on: October 17, 2018, 04:53:46 pm »
International football should be given a rest after a summer tournament. Euro teams take a break after the Euro’s, African teams after the CoN etc. everyone after the WC. It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.

In a nutshell. They also need to take into account the fact these players are paid enormous wages by their respective clubs and whilst I am not saying that international football should be stopped, the fact is that it has to account for the numbers of games played. I personally don`t give a toss about international football, but I understand that most players do and their wish is to also play for their country. They are not going to refuse to play for their country, but then don`t make it so that they have no choice because of the sheer volume of games
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10390 on: October 17, 2018, 05:21:30 pm »
Players are being run into the ground these days.

I don't think we helped, or our schedule helped with the run of games we had, we were spent by the City game (even Napoli) yet half the team are off on flights to the other side of the world straight away to play more games. It's hardly surprising they've picked up injuries.

Klopp's got to start rotating more and using the squad to protect players and try and keep players fresh.  The front three are out on their feet yet we've got Sturridge and Shaqiri champing at the bit.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10391 on: October 17, 2018, 05:26:48 pm »
Players are being run into the ground these days.

I don't think we helped, or our schedule helped with the run of games we had, we were spent by the City game (even Napoli) yet half the team are off on flights to the other side of the world straight away to play more games. It's hardly surprising they've picked up injuries.

Klopp's got to start rotating more and using the squad to protect players and try and keep players fresh.  The front three are out on their feet yet we've got Sturridge and Shaqiri champing at the bit.

you know what, I think he may have an idea that he'll be using more of the squad in the next run of games, he seems to have a bit of a clue about how to manage a team.

It's not his job to save them for these ridiculous and mostly needless international games.  But it was his job to try and get the best results possible with a tough run in the last few weeks, something he choose to do with the players he knows best and trusts 100%.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10392 on: October 17, 2018, 05:35:20 pm »
This is definitely true this year more than ever. I watched the world cup, but once it was over I'd happily not watch any international football for 6 months or even a year. Its definitely a case of less is more with England, and it diminishes the significance of each game the more they play. Representing your country used to be an honour, with a high number of caps only being earned by the very best players. Now it seems anyone with a pulse can play.

However, in terms of injuries, the main reason we're in this position is due to having so many top quality internationals in our team. Unfortunately, International coaches and physios are rarely going to take as much care of our players as we do, and as International breaks tend to come on the back of an intense period of domestic football, injuries are even more likely during a period when players should ideally be resting.

The real question for me is - do we have similar numbers of injuries as other teams with a similar number of international players? If we do, then at least we're all in the same boat and the issue is about scheduling of matches and how much international game time is reasonable. However, if we have more injuries than most other teams, then that would point to other factors such as player fatigue (possibly due to our style and training), poor handling of our players by the countries coaches/medical staff, and a dilemma on where the power lies in deciding whether a player can play or not. A player may well be technically 'fit' to play, but if they are just off the back of club injuries (like VVD and Keita) there is a strong argument they should stay with their club unless the competitions they are called up for are of a real significance (i.e. the Euros or World cup qualifiers/matches).
England is probably an outlier though. In most countries the national team is very important, and players frequently change clubs in order to keep their spot. Its performances for their national team that their friends and families care about,and that can give them legend status when their careers are over.

There are simply too many games in total, and FA can't really complain since they haven't done anything from their side.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10393 on: October 17, 2018, 05:39:20 pm »
International football should be given a rest after a summer tournament. Euro teams take a break after the Euro’s, African teams after the CoN etc. everyone after the WC. It’s simply too much football, and no one gives a shit, they’re literally literally making international football irrelevant by trying to keep it relevant.

Absolutely. Genuinely baffled that they interrupted the league after 3 or 4 games right after the World Cup had ended. There's no easy solution here, but I sincerely doubt that the world is clamouring to watch Finland vs Serbia a month after the World Cup final. Just give it a rest for a little bit.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10394 on: October 17, 2018, 06:04:06 pm »
Does anyone know why a hand injury would keep Mane out for the Huddersfield match this weekend? I am incredibly ignorant when it comes to anything health/injury related.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10395 on: October 17, 2018, 06:09:37 pm »
Does anyone know why a hand injury would keep Mane out for the Huddersfield match this weekend? I am incredibly ignorant when it comes to anything health/injury related.

If he needs to wear a cast to protect it then he wouldn’t be allowed to play.

If there was a big risk of damaging the hand further eg by falling on it or just running then it would be stupid to play him.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10396 on: October 17, 2018, 06:09:51 pm »
Does anyone know why a hand injury would keep Mane out for the Huddersfield match this weekend? I am incredibly ignorant when it comes to anything health/injury related.

If it's required surgery it may be that a pin or screw has been inserted to help it heal. In which case there is a risk of Sadio being floored and aggravating it. I'd be surprised to see him play on Saturday

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10397 on: October 17, 2018, 06:11:52 pm »
You'd assume if it was anything like a hard cast or pin, etc. then it would just be a straight no. If it's a possibility then you'd guess it's down to pain or something along those lines.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10398 on: October 17, 2018, 06:21:32 pm »
Wasn’t Vardy playing with some sort of cast previously?

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10399 on: October 17, 2018, 06:22:35 pm »
Wasn’t Vardy playing with some sort of cast previously?

Loads of players have played with casts in the past.
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