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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #80 on: October 4, 2005, 03:32:24 pm »
Would anyone happen to have any photographs?

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #81 on: October 4, 2005, 04:59:50 pm »
...of course nowadays we'd have to have a "girls pen" and a "non-specific gender pen"

I went in the boys pen in the 60s as a girl, didn't need a seperate one then.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #82 on: October 4, 2005, 05:16:23 pm »
My old man stopped going to games after Billy Liddell retired.   So in 1962  the only way i managed to watch the reds was to go into the boys pen with my mates.  it was the only way i could afford my first few years following the reds.  The stories you hear about the pen  most are true some right head the balls were let loose in there.

  i would think most lads where in the same position as me 12 old pennies to watch the reds well worth it
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #83 on: October 4, 2005, 06:01:45 pm »
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Would anyone happen to have any photographs?

Photographs? Are you serious?!! You were lucky to get out of there with your clothes on your back and spare change in your pocket. If you took a camera in there it'd be gone before you got it up to your eye.

JSu7777 - I peed myself laughing at your post. Forgot about that feature of the pen. Fellas used to go through the turnstile just about on their knees to try to look 12, beard and all. You'd always check out the doziest-looking gate man to try this one on, and make sure there was no copper standing around. The worst games were when we were losing. Kids got all bent up and started belling other kids. Not for any specific reason, just because. If there was still a Pen at Anfield today, last Sunday's game would have been like the "unleash hell" scene in Gladiator.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #84 on: October 4, 2005, 06:40:52 pm »
Photographs? Are you serious?!! You were lucky to get out of there with your clothes on your back and spare change in your pocket. If you took a camera in there it'd be gone before you got it up to your eye.


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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #85 on: October 4, 2005, 07:15:34 pm »
This thread has got me wondering if they had Boys Pens at other grounds. I know they had one at Goodison too but I started going to aways regularly in the 73/74 season, I can't remember seeing them anywhere else on our travels - Perhaps it was a Scouse thing?
 


goodison's pen was just as bad. i was in there for the first derby game after promotion. got chased all over the place at one stage
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #86 on: October 4, 2005, 07:53:48 pm »
Did anybody ever lose their shoes in there? I remember more than once seeing a shoe go flying over everybody's head or being kicked around. I'd always double-knot mine going in. The way you had to move around to stay upright, if they were loose they'd be off.
I'm convinced kids used to climb into the Kop to get away from the inferno in the Pen. You were better off taking your chances with 18,000 drunken dockers 2 feet taller than yourself, than their offspring. I have to smile at the people last week going on about the Anny Road end and the food throwing. Probably old Penites succumbing to nostalgia.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #87 on: October 4, 2005, 08:37:22 pm »
This article was posted by albiedog on the lfc.tv site a crackin read



You Boys Pen followers might like to read the following extract from 'Faith of our Fathers' which fondly lampoons memories of the Pen.

"Useful though all my other early excursions may have been in cementing my initial Redness, my serious initiation, as with most other Reds fans at the time, came in the Boys Pen .or the Pen, as we termed it. which occupied an enmeshed rear corner of the Spion Kop terracing next to the main stand.

The Pen was truly an awful place. Whilst many other grounds in the late fifties/early sixties had special enclosures for young fans equivalent to the Pen, it is unlikely whether any of them could have come anywhere near matching the Pen’s ghastliness.

Thing was the Pen was the type of place where today you would forbid young lads from attending unless they had committed a serious criminal offence. Or, at the very least, had revealed distinct masochist inclinations. To term it a jungle, would be an affront to any self-respecting lion, sabre-toothed tiger or orang-utan, many of whom, as it so happened, actually used to frequent the Pen in its more genteel moments.

William Golding used the Pen as a watered down synopsis for the savagery of Lord of the Flies and Anthony Burgess’s Clockwork Orange was based on the antics of some of its more amiable inhabitants. Those who maintain law and order began to disintegrate only in the late seventies patently never spent a Saturday afternoon on the steps of the Pen. Had they done so, their views on the relative utopia of life in the likes of Moss Side would have made interesting reading. Provided, of course, they’d survived to tell the tale.

The Pen, in short, was total anarchy.
In 1961 at the age of ten we began our careers there. By that time, going to the match with your dad was considered seriously cissy. Going with your mates on the other hand was definitely the cool thing to do. So, with entry being just ninepence, the Pen was the only affordable way to watch the Reds whilst at the same time retaining some degree of credibility.

Needless to say, many were the times later on when I longed to have taken the cissy option. Though don’t get me wrong on this score. I am talking figuratively here. I didn’t actually want to be a cissy, if you get my drift. It’s just that things would have seemed a little safer if I’d have stuck with my father. I suppose what I’m saying is that the Pen was a nightmare for anyone halfway normal, which category at that time at least, I just about scraped into.

As far as we could see there were broadly two types of Pen inmate. Thugs or desperadoes. As young scruffs ourselves we were all reasonably well versed in the usual street and playground escapades. The Pen, however, was ridiculous - Britain’s own version of Dodge City.

The first hurdle would come on your initial trip up the long winding stepped ramp from the turnstile next to the bank of Kop turnstiles on the Lake Street side of the ground. Here some of Fagin’s budding racketeers [and I don’t mean Joe’s lot!] waited to accost you, demanding your money or your life. Most times we chose life but soon learned thereafter to keep our return bus-fare hidden under a brick on wasteland outside the ground whilst half of the time wondering whether that might be where we would one day end up ourselves if one of the inmates so decreed.

Once inside, there would be other gangs ofmarauding parasites to contend with. Some looking for easy money. Others for an easy fight. The problem was the Pen was only ever partly full so there was always plenty of room for these Neanderthals to roam around seeking out young innocents like us. You prayed for them to find some other poor souls to pick on but, regrettably, we seem to have been viewed as an easy target and so, as often as not, we’d be approached by these budding baboons.

Now adults like to pride themselves in offering the right advice for such circumstances. Stand up to bullies and they will back down, my dear departed mother always used to say. Underneath they’re nothing but cowards.

Oh you really think so do you ma Cowards eh.   Well I know it might be a bit late now but here’s a bit of practical feedback for you mother dear. Maybe it was like that for you soppy girls back in the twenties and thirties but these guys had clearly never read the same rule book for bullies that you used to swear by.

Fact was these fellas were as hard as nails. Any resistance tended to make matters worse as we found out at the cost of repeated confrontations and maulings on our early visits.
On one occasion they even took a shine to the shoes my mate Amo was wearing. A brand new pair of chisel toes he’d only just got from his mam’s catalogue. His pride and joy they were. They just piled in and whipped them off him and left him there with a bloodied nose and crying in his stocking feet.

The poor so d then had to go home like that and his parents had to carry on paying out each week for his stolen pair as well as a new pair to replace them. And the worst of it was they had to be those awful naff rounded toe ones nobody liked so they wouldn’t get pinched again! Poor Amo.
Looking back, we really must have been masochists to have put up with it all. I mean it wasn’t as if anyone ever held a gun to our heads to make us go. Which I guess even now is tempting fate a bit in the context of the Pen. So it was all effectively self-induced torture. Yet still we went.

Even so, I daresay many people in the game may scoff at all these bleatings. No doubt they’ll claim that if it’s real terror you’re after then look no further than Plough Lane in the late eighties when Wimbledon came up to Division One and frightened every one to death. To which I’ll say bol locks! Fact is you only had to go there annually while we had to endure the Pen every fortnight. Also you had a referee and two linesmen to protect you. And you got some respite at half time. Also you never had to walk home in your stocking feet. In fact, the only thing they ever stole off you was three points. There’s no comparison, really.

Undaunted by the Pen’s intimidation but still desperate above all to see our Red heroes, we experimented with ways of mitigating the confrontations. The easiest of these was sticking as close as possible to the solitary police bobby who from time to time patrolled this seething cauldron. In time we came to look like frightened kids holding their teacher’s hand in a playground.
At other times, abandoned by the bobby, we would spend virtually the whole game in a frantic escape attempt, scaling the Pen’s railings in a forlorn effort to reach the Kop like scores of others similarly oppressed. The railings must have been twenty feet high and the scene would resemble a mass break out from Butlins holiday camp. Some actually managed the feat. In fact, I believe there were some escaped from Butlins, too. Most of us, however, would get so far and then hang on quivering for dear life for the rest of the game, praying for the final whistle when we could come back down to the safety of an empty pen.

Eventually ? mercifully ? we found the most reliable saviour of all. This was the cousin of one of our lot. He was a prominent member of one of the gangs and allowed us to tag along with them. From then on, the Pen didn’t seem quite such a bad place as we viewed it in relative safety through different eyes and were able to concentrate on the match rather than our backs.
Still, it was always a precarious existence and it was with great relief when, a year or so later, extra jamjars, pop bottles and pocket-money together with six inches extra height at last enabled us to bid good riddance to the Black Hole of Anfield and join the ranks of civilisation on the Kop.

So, at the end of the day, did our nightmare in the Pen teach us anything
Well I suppose the peculiar brand of nihilistic existence that was the Anfield Boys Pen cannot possibly have any lessons for fandom in a broad sense. Clearly, if fans everywhere had to go through the Anfield Pen experience then professional football would long ago have ceased to exist due to plummeting attendances. I mean let’s be honest here, would anyone truly fancy a guaranteed weekly mugging,
 
Then again, as far as young Liverpudlians were concerned, what it did provide was an unwitting re-affirmation of their faith. Basically if you learned how to survive the Pen’s horrors, dodge orang-utans, hang on to your footwear and bus fare, live to tell the tale and still retain the desire to watch the Reds, then you truly were a fan. Perhaps, then, in that sense, the Pen was not so bad after all and maybe there is some good in everything.

I must admit though, I for one, did not join those who shed a tear when they eventually dismantled the monstrosity and rehoused it, and the pick of its inmates, in Alcatraz, the Pen’s spiritual home. Then again, as a bit of a closet cissy, I would say that, wouldn’t  I"

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #88 on: October 4, 2005, 08:59:00 pm »
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They just piled in and whipped them off him and left him there with a bloodied nose and crying in his stocking feet.

There you go. It was probably his mate's shoes I saw flying around. Recall more than one poor sod going down the steps at the end of a game in his stocking feet.

Once lost my bus fare in the Pen, but to this day I'm not sure how. I thought I'd had my pocket picked, or slashed is more likely because there was a hole in it. Looking back, maybe I was too harsh on my fellow Penites because at that stage of my life the rags on my backside were battering my brains. In all likelihood the hole came from natural causes.
But it was pissing rain and there was no way I was walking home so I got on the bus anyway, and when the conductor came round I was engrossed in the architecture of Scotland Road the other side of the window - particularly eye-catching on a wet November evening, as you'll no doubt recall. He came round a second time and asked for my fare, and I just rummaged in my pockets for five minutes. Never mind, skint are ye, la, he said and walked down the bus. I've never forgotten that. It was an expression of empathy that to this day typifies the best of Liverpool and its people to me.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #89 on: October 4, 2005, 10:53:27 pm »
Would anyone happen to have any photographs?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #90 on: October 4, 2005, 10:57:46 pm »
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #91 on: October 5, 2005, 09:02:38 pm »
Born just of Breck Road in 1960,a road called Georges Road.....No longer there

Our house backed on to the famous Wooky Hollow and i myself went to Whitefield Road primary school

My first Liverpool game was in 1964 and right up till we were moved out to Cantril farm in 1970 the Pen was my home

Me Mam would give me and my Brother the money to sodd off out of her face on a Saturday and Anfield would be our destination

The two of us and at least 20 other kids from streets around would march down the road to the ground

Celt Street...Lombard Street...Redrock Street...GreyrockStreet...Underhill Street...Larch lea

My earliest memory of Money was clutching a silver sixpence that me mam had given me

The entrance if memory serves me correct was just around the corner from the ticket office

And is close to the same entrance i still use to this day for my Kop season ticket

The games were exiting but not half as exiting as trying to get into the Kop

If you climbed over and dropped down it would be a gaurantee that someone would be waiting
So we used to crawl as far accros  the Kop as we could before starting our descent

Give my left one to see a photo of the place.........Happy Memories

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« Reply #92 on: October 5, 2005, 11:42:31 pm »
I tell a lie. There is an old picture of the Pen. It's been wrongly attributed to some Dutch fella for years, but old timers will recognise the scene instantly. In those days you could see the Mersey from Anfield.



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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #93 on: October 6, 2005, 08:23:23 am »
@howes hound ..............


The picture you have posted is a very good fake mate

Saw all the Bodies on the floor and thought...at last some one has found one

The Three Sky Mini dish,s in the foreground prove this photo is in fact more modern

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #94 on: October 6, 2005, 09:42:51 am »
The pen at Badison was a lot easier than ours coz it had a little wooden door leading in to the st end, this door was guarded by 2 stewards but they were easily distracted.  I  remember the derby in 1972 when there was a 50/50 split in there, us and them, a teenage rampage took place and the two stewards left their post to try and stop the mayhem, cue a stampede from our boys directly into the St end, we thought we were little hard cases and were prepared to "take their end", but when we got in there were all these fellas pissing themselves laughing at us, so we sheepishly got our selves into a corner and watched the game.

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« Reply #95 on: October 6, 2005, 10:47:14 am »
Scrapping the pen was a good move, such a pity the club didn't see fit to allocate a small section of either the lower centenary or paddock just for kids at reduced fees.
Always thought they would allocate top left corner of the kop, when they seated that area.
Enticing youngsters to the game does not appear to be on the club's agenda though. They appear to want to attract more corporate types.
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« Reply #96 on: October 6, 2005, 11:15:56 am »
Enticing youngsters to the game does not appear to be on the club's agenda though. They appear to want to attract more corporate types./quote]
I think that's a bit unfair, mate. There are a fair number of Adult/child tickets available for each game (although whether they are in the best parts of the ground for kids e.g. back of the Kop is a moot point). And I don't think the law would now allow unaccompanied youngsters to attend a football match in any event. Not like the old days, I know (God, how did we ever make it past adolescence?  :) ), but there you go.
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« Reply #97 on: October 6, 2005, 11:34:11 am »
I think that's a bit unfair, mate. There are a fair number of Adult/child tickets available for each game

Great if you want to sit with your Dad but, do most kids want to sit with their Dad's ?
Cannot see a problem if the new stadium had a block of seats for 12-16 and another section at reduced prices for OAP's
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« Reply #98 on: October 6, 2005, 02:46:17 pm »
Great if you want to sit with your Dad but, do most kids want to sit with their Dad's ?
Cannot see a problem if the new stadium had a block of seats for 12-16 and another section at reduced prices for OAP's
Sorry mate - I screwed up my last post and got it all in within the 'quote' box. Here it is again:

I think that's a bit unfair, mate. There are a fair number of Adult/child tickets available for each game (although whether they are in the best parts of the ground for kids e.g. back of the Kop is a moot point). And I don't think the law would now allow unaccompanied youngsters to attend a football match in any event. Not like the old days, I know (God, how did we ever make it past adolescence? :) ), but there you go.

If you read it all l you'll see that I doubt the legality of allowing unattended children, leaving aside whether the club itself would countenance it.

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« Reply #99 on: October 6, 2005, 02:59:46 pm »
Other clubs don't seem to have a problem with it.Wigan for example let kids in on their own ,sell them season tickets without them needing to be accompanied.Liverpool basically don't do it because they are not interested in doing so when they can sell the ground out anyway.If they did give a fuck about kids they could make a start by having the Kop child/adult tickets in a place where the kids could actually get to watch the game,and not in the current position at the back of the Kop.

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« Reply #100 on: October 6, 2005, 06:58:41 pm »
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If you read it all l you'll see that I doubt the legality of allowing unattended children, leaving aside whether the club itself would countenance it.

Interesting light on the subject, put personally I think the issue is cultural not legal. I believe, though I'd be interested to hear the views of you younger guys, that there's a different relationship between kids and parents today from 40 years ago. For instance

All the years I played football in school teams, not once did my parents come out to see me. They hardly gave a fuck. I don't recall ever seeing a parent at one of our games.
At age 18, I was out the house and off to make my own way. Anybody still living at home after 20 was a mammy's boy. Today, and I talk to other parents about this, you'd need gelignite to get your kid out of the house. Mine's 22 and still quite happy to be at home.

Now I'm not saying this is good or bad. I'd have welcomed half the encouragement today's kids get in their recreation or education. On the other hand, our forced independence had its up side for later life. But the only time my folks cared where I was was when the cops brought me home.

So back to the Pen. I'm not sure there's the call for that sort of arrangement any more. I question whether today's parents would be as happy to dump off their kid at the gate while they nipped off for a pre-match pint, or hand their kid bus and gate money and a sausage butty and say tara, see you around six and it's corned beef hash tonight.

The most serious downside I see to present day admission arrangements is affordability. For about 5 years I went to every home first team game and, when the first team was away, every reserve game, and as poor as we were money was no issue at 9d for a full game, 6d for the reserves. Same price as the flicks. So you really got to know the team and you weren't as pissed as people are today when the game was lousy. You see a shit game today and you take a double hit - to your pride as a fan and your wallet. It's changed from the common man's game to another form of client entertainment for corporations, and that's altering the whole nature of the sport. And to me, that's certainly not good.
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« Reply #101 on: October 6, 2005, 11:34:11 pm »
Interesting light on the subject, put personally I think the issue is cultural not legal. I believe, though I'd be interested to hear the views of you younger guys, that there's a different relationship between kids and parents today from 40 years ago. For instance

All the years I played football in school teams, not once did my parents come out to see me. They hardly gave a fuck. I don't recall ever seeing a parent at one of our games.
At age 18, I was out the house and off to make my own way. Anybody still living at home after 20 was a mammy's boy. Today, and I talk to other parents about this, you'd need gelignite to get your kid out of the house. Mine's 22 and still quite happy to be at home.

Now I'm not saying this is good or bad. I'd have welcomed half the encouragement today's kids get in their recreation or education. On the other hand, our forced independence had its up side for later life. But the only time my folks cared where I was was when the cops brought me home.

So back to the Pen. I'm not sure there's the call for that sort of arrangement any more. I question whether today's parents would be as happy to dump off their kid at the gate while they nipped off for a pre-match pint, or hand their kid bus and gate money and a sausage butty and say tara, see you around six and it's corned beef hash tonight.

The most serious downside I see to present day admission arrangements is affordability. For about 5 years I went to every home first team game and, when the first team was away, every reserve game, and as poor as we were money was no issue at 9d for a full game, 6d for the reserves. Same price as the flicks. So you really got to know the team and you weren't as pissed as people are today when the game was lousy. You see a shit game today and you take a double hit - to your pride as a fan and your wallet. It's changed from the common man's game to another form of client entertainment for corporations, and that's altering the whole nature of the sport. And to me, that's certainly not good.
I agree about the cultural stuff - I just made the 'legal' point because I genuinely wonder.

I started going in earnest to Anfield, on my own, in 1971 when I was 14. From memory, me dad gave me a pound (don't laugh) which covered: bus fare to Woodside; ferry; bus to Anfield; chips; admission to Kop; programme; return journey.

The biggest thing that strikes me now is how many parents would let their 14 year-olds get on a bus, never mind go to the match on their own?

This was always on a Saturday. On Sunday, me and me mates would disappear for hours on end (usually to Vicky Park in Rock Ferry to join all the other lads and play 39-a-side) and as long as we came home at something resembling feeding time, our parents didn't worry a jot. We didn't call it 'culture',  mind - it was just kinda normal. Anybody from remotely my era will know exactly what I mean.

Like howes hound said, I'm not making this good or bad. It's just the way it was.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #102 on: October 7, 2005, 09:22:57 am »
All the old Pennite stories are funny as, my memory was there was always a couple of pensioners there or where they unofficial stewards, anyway i stood close to them, cause to stand on your own you may as well have pinned Kick Me on your back. Remember the tea bar as you turned right at the top of the steps holding on to your coppers like dear life. [copper as in money]. Anyone who was dressed smarter than the rest were usually singled out for special treatment.
I know a Blue who changed his allegiance from a red because of the pen, so the one at anfield must have been scarier than wodisons. Although I thought they were both crazy.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #103 on: October 7, 2005, 10:19:55 am »
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I know a Blue who changed his allegiance from a red


 :lmao  great judgement !   any idea what he does for a job now ?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #104 on: October 7, 2005, 10:55:28 am »
 

 :lmao  great judgement !   any idea what he does for a job now ?
His story goes, his ma had just bought him a mad duffle coat, when he got home after being in the pen he was battered and the coat was covered in all sorts. When he went to goodison no one picked on him so his mind was made up. He [understandingly] hates us with a passion, he is so bitter, and as I constantly remind him he made the right choice, because he doesn`t watch many games.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #105 on: October 7, 2005, 11:11:32 am »
Al Edge told me that though he joked about it in his book it really was a scary place. Also me old fella confirms it. Glad I was too young to experience it though the admission price sounds good.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #106 on: October 7, 2005, 06:22:36 pm »
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His story goes, his ma had just bought him a mad duffle coat,

That was his whole problem, as with the story about new shoes.
You didn't wear anything new, certainly not new shoes, and duffle coats were asking for trouble. Aside from looking like a nerd, those deep pockets and hood were natural receptacles: for bangers around Bonfire night, fag ends and all kinds of other shit at any other time. You also didn't make eye contact with anyone - a bit like Yates Wine Lodges in the '60s. My mum made me a rosette for an FA Cup game once. The second I was out the house, it went into my pocket. She might as well have printed a target on coat.
Speaking of dress sense, old timers will remember you always dressed lightly for the Kop, no matter what the weather. If you muffled up for an icy day you'd sweat to death in the ground, pressed in with all those writhing bodies. Anybody recall the European night game when it was pissing with rain and a fog formed in the Kop from all those sopping wet coats heating up?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #107 on: October 7, 2005, 08:45:55 pm »
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I started going in earnest to Anfield, on my own, in 1971 when I was 14. From memory, me dad gave me a pound (don't laugh) which covered: bus fare to Woodside; ferry; bus to Anfield; chips; admission to Kop; programme; return journey.

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A pound in 71 used to get you half pissed.  Six or seven pints of brown-mix if memory serves me right, Both you and howes hand  are spot on regarding are youth the only time my parents saw me was at teatime
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #108 on: October 7, 2005, 10:12:48 pm »
first stood on the pen about 1964,gang of us used to walk  to the ground from Netherton,dont think half the lads could see more than a quarter of the pitch.
me old man stood on the other side of the railings laughing at the antics.
some of the kids in the pen were about 6 feet tall,and mean too.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #109 on: October 7, 2005, 11:06:09 pm »

This was always on a Saturday. On Sunday, me and me mates would disappear for hours on end (usually to Vicky Park in Rock Ferry to join all the other lads and play 39-a-side) and as long as we came home at something resembling feeding time, our parents didn't worry a jot. We didn't call it 'culture',  mind - it was just kinda normal. Anybody from remotely my era will know exactly what I mean.

Like howes hound said, I'm not making this good or bad. It's just the way it was.




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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #110 on: October 7, 2005, 11:56:18 pm »
I must admit always thought it was scraped after 1977 WHU championship game. Wasnt it at that point that the extra, square, barries placed in the Kop for safty reasons.
  That was the game I graduated to the Kop!  West Ham needed a point to stay up I think and we just needed a point to clinch the title, party atmosphere beforehand so a concerted effort from most of the pen was made to scale the fence. I finally made it about 15 mins before kick-off as the bizzies had given up almost and the first people I bumped into were my old man, Uncle and cousin walking along the parallel path halfway up the Kop! I got a clip round the ear and shoved down by the corner flag near the paddock, it may be my memory playing tricks but I'm sure I can remember the first game of the next season asking the old fella if I was going in the pen and he said 'no, your a Kopite now lad', proud moment! Not sure if the pen lasted too long after that though. Magic memory was the UEFA Cup Final 1st leg v FC Bruges 76, 2-0 down at h/t and came back to win 3-2,
can remember falling over when the winner went in and being picked up by some fella with a beard!! How did he get in? Terrifying place to go, especially for a wool!! Great when it was a big game but a boring one would end up with muggings, thrashings and a sprint to the players car park desperately seeking Daddy! Didn't get fed at h/t either, 50p I got, 30p admission, 10p for a proey and 10p down the sock!! Never had the nerve to ask for a pie and went home starving most weeks as I was too nervous to eat beforehand. Character -building I think they used to call it.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #111 on: October 8, 2005, 01:29:54 am »
nearly pissed myself laughing at this post, tears streaming down my face my 7 year old daughter asks me why I'm crying ..............
One and only time in the boys pen----  never been so frightened in my life.
 To cut a long story short, made the stupid mistake of taking my cousin from  Blackpool (and myself)into the boys pen when only 11 the difference being my cousin opened his mouth and we both ended up walking home without any shoes................ at least the little bastards let me keep my kecks 

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #112 on: October 8, 2005, 02:33:46 am »
everyone has got all these stories about what a bad place it was to be in...
but where are the twats who used to do all the robbin', intimidating,knicking of of Winfield trainers etc. etc. where are your stories and where are my trainers from Woolies. Is that where the name comes from?
 

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #113 on: October 9, 2005, 10:15:06 pm »
Walton? Probably doormen  ;)
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #114 on: October 28, 2005, 10:27:57 pm »
Words from Stephen Done via e-mail.

This is a really interesting question and causing a lot of debate! We are
really not sure. No clear info is avaialble and people are vague... we simply don't know!

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #115 on: October 29, 2005, 09:41:40 pm »
Its fifteen minutes to kick off time
I'm in my seat, Block 109
I look around, I hear the noise
see lots of fathers with their boys.
The kids look happy, a marvelous sight
McNasty's burgers they all bite
they're all excited thats for sure
and with their dads they feel secure.

Although the surroundings have now all changed
the children's feelings are just the same
the middle classes have now arrived
but things were different for a sixties child.

I then look out across the Kop
to the right hand corner at the top
where up until the age of ten
I served my time in the old 'boys pen'.

For those of you who do not know
it was a place for kids to go
metal bars like a kind of cage
where little kopites came of age.

I remember the first time I went inside
Liverpool v Chelsea '65
a star struck boy who stood amazed
football was all we had those days.

You'd always see some kids from school
they came from all over Liverpool
little scousers every week
from Kirkby town right up to Speke.

The Kop was packed out in those days
but at half time, dad found a way
to fight his way through all the crowd
and feed his boy, he did me proud.

An 'Eccles cake' a sausage roll
a drink of Coke, god bless his soul
between the bars he'd pass it through
like feeding monkeys at the zoo.

And through those bars we used to stare
at all the kopites standing there
oh how we'd long to stand with them
and make that step from boys to men.

Some kids escaped now and again
it was a pretty dangerous game
it filled the kopites full of laughter
to see kids dangling from the rafters.

It had its own 'soprano' choir
you couldn't sing 'walk on' much higher
inside those bars kids sang with pride
but it sounded so funny from the other side.

When the match was over at 4.45
your dad would pick you up outside
dozens of kids , some big some small
stood opposite the pen by the old brick wall.

But that was how it was those days
no greedy players, no corporate ways
they recognized us 'opite cubs'
we were the future of the club.

Then at last it came my time
to leave this little world behind
I was at an age when every lad
didnt want to go the match with dad.

And so I passed out to the kop
that love affair has never stopped
I take my son to the occasional game
but this 'dad and lad' thing's not the same.

You never see young lads no more
who go the match in three's and fours
this city's children rue the day
when they took the old boys pen away.

The money men arrived in town
and in their wisdom pulled it down
they called it 'progress' but we read their thoughts
who needs children when adults pay more.

I now drift back to present day
I take my seat, watch the redmen play
a diehard red , Im the real McCoy
because I was groomed from a little boy.

That golden era has now passed by
but we all have memories you cannot buy
from apprentice kopites, now middle aged men
who served their time in the old boys pen.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #116 on: October 29, 2005, 10:37:48 pm »
Heard many a story about the arl boys pen from me dad.

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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2005, 12:35:42 am »
Sorry Andy but those kex have gone to your head, no way the pen was gone then. Pen was the only 'pay-in' part of teh ground against Moenchengladbach in the quarters in '78, and was there at least a season afterwards. Deffo there when Fairclough scored two against West Ham and when Souness hit the bar against Brum.

I reckon it went for the 79-80 season but not sure, remember the money grabbing bastards brought in kids seasos on the Kop, reckon it was eighty odd nicker at the time.

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80 quid? In 1980? Even Bobby Charlton was knocking them out for £40  ;) ;)In 1988 it was £1.80 a game,you do the maths.
I think the boys pen went in either 74 or 75.
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2005, 12:38:36 am »
It was on the Main Stand side, or if you have not been to Anfield, even i can't explain
Above the old exit,down the steps behind the Albert?
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Re: The Boys Pen
« Reply #119 on: October 30, 2005, 12:53:27 am »

 :lmao  great judgement !   any idea what he does for a job now ?

No one knows but apparently his name was George W. something.
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