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Re: Purslow
« Reply #200 on: October 19, 2010, 02:47:14 pm »
As much as I dont take Rafa's words as gospel, the man has made mistakes but rarely admits to them, this is spot on. IF this is indeed true then perhaps he should go but of course it could all be a clash of personalities.
im sure some more intelligent people than i in here could list atleast 20 times that Rafa has said "we made mistakes", or "clearly there were mistakes" etc. He is a perfectionist, and he is never happy with how we played or how we performed or set up and so on.. a perfectionist rues mistakes and his role in allowing them happen.

Rafa is a stubborn man, but he is a fantastic manager, has his heart in the right place, is trustworthy and immersed himself in the city, the fans and the culture. not easy to come by managers like this.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2010, 02:47:45 pm »
It's time to move on and move Purslow on and have a complete fresh start. We need people on the board who know their stuff, their football and have a passion to win.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2010, 02:50:26 pm »
Rafa has got a right to be angry over the way he was treated at the end but he also has to take reponsibility for a lot of the mistakes he made himself throughout his reign. Blaming Purslow for everything just doesn't cut it. I know he's pushed to comment by the Sky reporters but he should just tell them to get lost.

But he did take responsibility - He admitted a few times that he made some big mistakes last season.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2010, 02:51:06 pm »
What makes you so sure?

All I know is they will be asking Purslow for his side of the story, but no Rafa.

I don't know for sure. Know very little about them to be honest, just saying I doubt they got to where they are in the sports business by only looking at one angle and taking everything at face value.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2010, 02:51:13 pm »
Could someone explain to me what the bottle of milk analogy is about? Obviously he is against Purslow and the power that he seems to have at the club but what is the milk abou?
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2010, 02:51:18 pm »
Wheres it come from that gerrard carra and purslow all conspired to get rid of Rafa. Its poor form, if its nothing but a rumour thats ultimately being spread as gospel and being used as some sort of fact to back an arguement.

We'll hear all sides of the story, and ultimately all will be exaggerated in favour of the person telling the tale. I love Rafa for winning us the eurpoean cup and giving us some pride back, I have absolute respect for purslow for his major role in ousting the cancer from our club and giving us some hope for the future infact saving the club from the abyss. The rest of the childish finger pointing they can keep.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2010, 02:51:57 pm »
Ha ha ha

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« Reply #207 on: October 19, 2010, 02:52:31 pm »
What Rafa was trying to say is that with Purslow, what you see is not what you get.
You see someone with a milk bottle, like John in the Wirral, you would assume its milk and nothing else.
In my mind Rafa is sending us a message that now that we are reorganizing the club we make sure to get what he believes is the real parasite out of the picture, which in his mind is Purslow.  The milk metaphor I understand as suggesting that if Purslow was at the core of all of the decisions that led to the downturn over the last 2 years or so then you can safely assume he has to be the one primarily responsible for the decisions - i.e. if a milkman carries a bottle full of white liquid, then it would be silly to assume its not milk.
Rafa's reference to conversations with certain players to me confirms that sadly some of our certain senior figures (we all know who they are/may be) had some ideas come to their heads.  Like an idea that they may be a little bit bigger than the club, which is sad to see really.  It also suggests that much may still be truly rotten in our dressing room, including some inter-player relations as other players who did not help in ousting Rafa, and were happy with his regime, are probably pissed at certain other players.  This furthermore suggests that what most folks around here (include me) perceive as Roy Hodgson's tactical cluelessness and lack of big-club prowess may not be solely responsible for our recent performances.  Ultimately, we may truly need to regenerate the club from the scratch!
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #208 on: October 19, 2010, 02:52:43 pm »
Could someone explain to me what the bottle of milk analogy is about? Obviously he is against Purslow and the power that he seems to have at the club but what is the milk abou?

It's basically a spade a spade. If it walk like a duck talks like a duck acts like a duck it's probably a a duck .... same thing

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #209 on: October 19, 2010, 02:53:19 pm »
One of his biggest mistakes was not curbing the "player power" problem.  He probably did not realize how serious it had become (i.e, his job was at stake), until he turned his back in the Forum and Brutus and company plunged their knives into him.

He knew about the player power and even spoke to Broughton about it according to Al 555 and I think it went the way described by JP-65 Here.  We needed Cecil for the fight against the owners and backing Purslow/Carra/Gerrard over Rafa was to ensure that we had that critical 3rd majority vote.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #210 on: October 19, 2010, 02:53:28 pm »
It's basically a spade a spade. If it walk like a duck talks like a duck acts like a duck it's probably a a duck .... same thing

Sid Lowe: But as @laesto says, caveat is that conclusion is obvious based on info you know (it's white in bottle) but that it *could* be something else
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #211 on: October 19, 2010, 02:53:35 pm »
Could someone explain to me what the bottle of milk analogy is about? Obviously he is against Purslow and the power that he seems to have at the club but what is the milk abou?

I reckon it's from the proverb? “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck”.

Or, as Douglas Adams would have it; "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #212 on: October 19, 2010, 02:53:55 pm »
Could someone explain to me what the bottle of milk analogy is about? Obviously he is against Purslow and the power that he seems to have at the club but what is the milk abou?

Something that is easy to deduce. similar to if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #213 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:09 pm »
Given the highly likely departure of Roy if things don't change sharpish, this isn't Rafa throwing his hat into the ring, in NESVs face, is it? I mean, could he be letting Henry et al know he still has unfinished business? Or is that just me being a soppy twat?
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #214 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:13 pm »
One of his biggest mistakes was not curbing the "player power" problem.  He probably did not realize how serious it had become (i.e, his job was at stake), until he turned his back in the Forum and Brutus and company plunged their knives into him.

A benching or two of our big named players, and at least, even if was destined to be fired, he could have gone out with complete dignity.  As it is, I wonder if he has regret for not at least trying to play hardball with certain untouchable individuals.  In his defense, he had to fight the board and the owners.....the player power network would perhaps have been one too many

I'm not sure he could.... the big name players would have demanded he get sack immediately and leak that story to the media... backlash from most of the fans will be too overwhelming... many of us know that they should be benched or rested but few of us will be comfortable that a non-english manager will dare touch two home grown players...

Rafa hands were tied and you could see it throughout the year.  He tried putting Carra out on the right, stories started coming out that Carra wants to move on, he tried resting Gerrard (we did play better as a team during some period of his rest), everyone including our dog starts screaming that Rafa must play SG in CM... 

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #215 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:23 pm »
I think it might be time for more ITKs to start speaking up on the "player power" that has ravaged Liverpool FC.  It is not at all healthy for the club to have players with such influence over football personnel matters.
Not going to happen. A lot of the ITK's are football reporters, and they're all part of this pandering to the ego's of football players. Even the journo's that are Liverpool fans.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #216 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:24 pm »
One of his biggest mistakes was not curbing the "player power" problem.  He probably did not realize how serious it had become (i.e, his job was at stake), until he turned his back in the Forum and Brutus and company plunged their knives into him.

A benching or two of our big named players, and at least, even if was destined to be fired, he could have gone out with complete dignity.  As it is, I wonder if he has regret for not at least trying to play hardball with certain untouchable individuals.  In his defense, he had to fight the board and the owners.....the player power network would perhaps have been one too many

we don't know that he didn't try to curb it.. but at the time when he needed backing from the board, they sided with the players in question (Purslow) or washed their hands of it (Broughton)..
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #217 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:28 pm »
Tweet it, lads. I don't use twitter, but for those who do, henry's got an address. He'll be currently receiving information of the opposite nature from shortie (he's not a legend yet, right ?), do the necessary.

Done. Though I don't think it will make a difference. They will play it safe and keep Purslow on.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #218 on: October 19, 2010, 02:54:48 pm »
The rest of the childish finger pointing they can keep.

It is not finger pointing, it is a calculated move. Rafa told the truth about the owners so that we knew what was going on, and now he is telling us that Purslow isn't the best thing for LFC either. This time, it isn't for any personal gains, he is just telling us that CP has to go as well.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #219 on: October 19, 2010, 02:56:01 pm »
Wheres it come from that gerrard carra and purslow all conspired to get rid of Rafa. Its poor form, if its nothing but a rumour thats ultimately being spread as gospel and being used as some sort of fact to back an arguement.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #220 on: October 19, 2010, 02:57:03 pm »
Given the highly likely departure of Roy if things don't change sharpish, this isn't Rafa throwing his hat into the ring, in NESVs face, is it? I mean, could he be letting Henry et al know he still has unfinished business? Or is that just me being a soppy twat?

I doubt he'd walk out on Inter - he's only just started his project there, and it's going pretty well so far.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #221 on: October 19, 2010, 02:59:19 pm »
It's basically a spade a spade. If it walk like a duck talks like a duck acts like a duck it's probably a a duck .... same thing
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #222 on: October 19, 2010, 02:59:21 pm »
im sure some more intelligent people than i in here could list atleast 20 times that Rafa has said "we made mistakes", or "clearly there were mistakes" etc. He is a perfectionist, and he is never happy with how we played or how we performed or set up and so on.. a perfectionist rues mistakes and his role in allowing them happen.

Rafa is a stubborn man, but he is a fantastic manager, has his heart in the right place, is trustworthy and immersed himself in the city, the fans and the culture. not easy to come by managers like this.

I'll have a look at some articles and check that out , I dont remember him ever admitting he was to blame for anything but like you say he has a good heart and I have always admired that in him.
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« Reply #223 on: October 19, 2010, 03:00:06 pm »
I'll have a look at some articles and check that out , I dont remember him ever admitting he was to blame for anything but like you say he has a good heart and I have always admired that in him.

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« Reply #224 on: October 19, 2010, 03:00:31 pm »
Legend. And for those calling that this is not TLW, I would contend it is. Standing up for your fellow supporters, revealing the truth, doing anything for your club, and make Shankly proud. THAT is The Liverpool Way. If the only way to support your club is to use the media, fuck it. Do what needs to be done. Priorities people, priorities.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #225 on: October 19, 2010, 03:02:45 pm »
Legend. And for those calling that this is not TLW, I would contend it is. Standing up for your fellow supporters, revealing the truth, doing anything for your club, and make Shankly proud. THAT is The Liverpool Way. If the only way to support your club is to use the media, fuck it. Do what needs to be done. Priorities people, priorities.

Well said. Think back to Shanks regard for our neighbours "If Everton were playing at the bottom of the garden I'd draw the curtains"
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #226 on: October 19, 2010, 03:05:54 pm »
Benitez points finger at Purslow

"At the beginning, they changed the managing director who was talking with some players,

So Rafa confirms something it was also something to do with some of the players he should have named names.

I heard he went directly to Yossi and Aurelio.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #227 on: October 19, 2010, 03:06:54 pm »
It's basically a spade a spade. If it walk like a duck talks like a duck acts like a duck it's probably a a duck .... same thing

Grand. So that makes Purslow a what? Im slow today. And please dont say c*nt. Too easy.
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« Reply #228 on: October 19, 2010, 03:08:03 pm »
Well they may have to reevaluate their priorities.  It is time to stop pandering to the Narcissists, especially one's that simply do not have much footballing ability left in them.  What they need is what is referred to as a narcissistic injury.  It is time to get the whole story out into the open.
You'd hope so but those people have too much to lose in outing the behaviour of some of our players. Rather like how Roy's faults are hidden and justified by the press, so are the likes of Carragher and Gerrard. The truth will only come out when the perpetrators have left the club.

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« Reply #229 on: October 19, 2010, 03:16:07 pm »
Legend. And for those calling that this is not TLW, I would contend it is. Standing up for your fellow supporters, revealing the truth, doing anything for your club, and make Shankly proud. THAT is The Liverpool Way. If the only way to support your club is to use the media, fuck it. Do what needs to be done. Priorities people, priorities.

As Shanks said, "Directors are only there to sign the cheques"...

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #230 on: October 19, 2010, 03:16:49 pm »
Done. Though I don't think it will make a difference. They will play it safe and keep Purslow on.

Great. That's what I think they would do too, as it would  be good management to give it time in a new field (for most of them) before making decisions to hire or fire. I think the same could even apply to Hodgson.

But fuck it, as a fan I so badly want to eschew 'good management' for quick action. So, so badly.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #231 on: October 19, 2010, 03:17:00 pm »
I dearly want Purslow out, but I'm scared rigid of the next prospective gap-filler.

Someone needs to get a grip of this club right now, and I think that understandably it cannot be NESV that do that, they need a bit of time to understand the whole thing before wading in with both feet.
This is exactly what Kenny should be doing, but then again, Kenny also said it was 'time for Rafa to go'...which infuriates me still, because back in October last year Kenny came out and said that the only reason he returned to the club in any role was because Rafa wanted him there.
And not forgetting that Rafa backed Kenny to be our next manager in an interview on the 16th June, once he was in place at Inter.
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'No one knows the club better than Dalglish, and he would be perfect there. He wants the job and in my opinion he should get it.'


So it makes it doubly hard to read and understand when Dalglish said the following in his recent book...
It was right for everybody that Rafa Benitez left - for him and for Liverpool Football Club. There just comes a stage in every manager's career when the board says, "You've been good for the club but we feel it would be best if you go."
Sometimes it works the same way for a manager - "I've done my time. There's no animosity but it's time to have a go somewhere else."
When it was clear Rafa was going, managing director Christian Purslow asked me to get involved in the selection process for the next manager. They drew up a list, asked me to come and meet the candidates and then let them decide who the manager should be.
In mid-June, I had to let them know my real views. I wanted the job. I couldn't miss the opportunity.
One day I was in a meeting with Christian and the chairman, Martin Broughton, and formally put my name forward. "We don't want you, Kenny," came the reply from Christian and the chairman. Fine. That's their prerogative. They explained they had different plans for me, a position with greater longevity.
"We want you for a role at the club that would be for longer than the tenure of the manager," the board told me. The job focused on player development.
It wasn't management, though.


It's a really odd situation isn't it.  And Rafa being Rafa, the print journalism can sometimes miss his sarcasm, which could very well be the way he meant his comments.  Did Rafa really want Kenny around? 

Purslow wants to be seen asking Kenny for his views, but at no time has he ever actually done what Kenny suggested it would seem.
Kenny is basically asked if Hodgson should be manager, but instead he proposes himself as the best possible option on the table.  Kenny isn't that kind of self-absorbed man, putting himself forward was a last resort, and it was batted out of the park by Purslow.
His long-term role doesn't even seem to extend to managerial appointments, instead he is asked to look over 'player development', whatever the fuck that means in the chinese takeaway world of football transfers, why are we developing players above and beyond what Borrell already does so well?
It's a nonsense position he has been given, utter nonsense, he's being kept in the corner.

Sorry it's a garbled post, but I've confused myself thinking about the different ways to interpret their relationship, and how it relates to Purslow.  But I think Rafa's comments about Purslow 'changing things' also relate to the hiring of Kenny, who wouldn't see that as a direct threat to them? 

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #232 on: October 19, 2010, 03:21:22 pm »
"...talking with some players..." - transfer targets?  Or current players?

I think too many people were too quick to paint Purslow as some kind of hero last week.  He's the one that's partly (some would argue, largely) responsible for us being where we are.  He's a snake!
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #233 on: October 19, 2010, 03:25:04 pm »
Rafa has got a right to be angry over the way he was treated at the end but he also has to take reponsibility for a lot of the mistakes he made himself throughout his reign. Blaming Purslow for everything just doesn't cut it. I know he's pushed to comment by the Sky reporters but he should just tell them to get lost.

Completely agree. You wont get much sense arguing with many on Rafa&WoyKop.net though.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #234 on: October 19, 2010, 03:27:14 pm »
Rafa has got a right to be angry over the way he was treated at the end but he also has to take reponsibility for a lot of the mistakes he made himself throughout his reign.

Name the mistakes he made 'throughout his reign'.
Not having a pop mate, just asking you to name me 5 mistakes he made.

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #235 on: October 19, 2010, 03:29:35 pm »
I dearly want Purslow out, but I'm scared rigid of the next prospective gap-filler.

Someone needs to get a grip of this club right now, and I think that understandably it cannot be NESV that do that, they need a bit of time to understand the whole thing before wading in with both feet.
This is exactly what Kenny should be doing, but then again, Kenny also said it was 'time for Rafa to go'...which infuriates me still, because back in October last year Kenny came out and said that the only reason he returned to the club in any role was because Rafa wanted him there.
And not forgetting that Rafa backed Kenny to be our next manager in an interview on the 16th June, once he was in place at Inter.
'I think they should look at Kenny Dalglish. He is the best man for the job. The owners should listen to the fans because they are unhappy.
'No one knows the club better than Dalglish, and he would be perfect there. He wants the job and in my opinion he should get it.'


So it makes it doubly hard to read and understand when Dalglish said the following in his recent book...
It was right for everybody that Rafa Benitez left - for him and for Liverpool Football Club. There just comes a stage in every manager's career when the board says, "You've been good for the club but we feel it would be best if you go."
Sometimes it works the same way for a manager - "I've done my time. There's no animosity but it's time to have a go somewhere else."
When it was clear Rafa was going, managing director Christian Purslow asked me to get involved in the selection process for the next manager. They drew up a list, asked me to come and meet the candidates and then let them decide who the manager should be.
In mid-June, I had to let them know my real views. I wanted the job. I couldn't miss the opportunity.
One day I was in a meeting with Christian and the chairman, Martin Broughton, and formally put my name forward. "We don't want you, Kenny," came the reply from Christian and the chairman. Fine. That's their prerogative. They explained they had different plans for me, a position with greater longevity.
"We want you for a role at the club that would be for longer than the tenure of the manager," the board told me. The job focused on player development.
It wasn't management, though.


It's a really odd situation isn't it.  And Rafa being Rafa, the print journalism can sometimes miss his sarcasm, which could very well be the way he meant his comments.  Did Rafa really want Kenny around? 

Purslow wants to be seen asking Kenny for his views, but at no time has he ever actually done what Kenny suggested it would seem.
Kenny is basically asked if Hodgson should be manager, but instead he proposes himself as the best possible option on the table.  Kenny isn't that kind of self-absorbed man, putting himself forward was a last resort, and it was batted out of the park by Purslow.
His long-term role doesn't even seem to extend to managerial appointments, instead he is asked to look over 'player development', whatever the fuck that means in the chinese takeaway world of football transfers, why are we developing players above and beyond what Borrell already does so well?
It's a nonsense position he has been given, utter nonsense, he's being kept in the corner.

Sorry it's a garbled post, but I've confused myself thinking about the different ways to interpret their relationship, and how it relates to Purslow.  But I think Rafa's comments about Purslow 'changing things' also relate to the hiring of Kenny, who wouldn't see that as a direct threat to them? 

This is not even close to being a garbled post. It is a profoundly thought provoking piece, Dr. Thank you. And thank you for the quotes from Kenny's book.

Gosh, how I miss Rafa.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #236 on: October 19, 2010, 03:32:07 pm »
So Rafa wanted G&H out, CP wanted them out also & he is a LFC fan. So why did CP want Rafa out? Am I missing something here? Surely CP could see that last season was a blip and not the norm. I don't believe he was got rid for footy reasons, so what was the reason for sacking the man while he was on hols?

Please can someone help clarify this?

Whilst I appreciate that CP played his part in ridding us of the cancer, I will never forget his part in the sacking of Rafa and the subsequent appointment of Roy. There should be a complete overhaul and a fresh start!

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Re: Purslow
« Reply #237 on: October 19, 2010, 03:36:07 pm »
Completely agree. You wont get much sense arguing with many on Rafa&WoyKop.net though.

Thing is he did admit to making big mistakes (on a couple of occasions) - don't understand how people keep ignoring that fact.
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Re: Purslow
« Reply #238 on: October 19, 2010, 03:36:09 pm »
Name the mistakes he made 'throughout his reign'.
Not having a pop mate, just asking you to name me 5 mistakes he made.

Put it this way, who does not make mistakes?

Plus Rafa freely admits to making mistakes, so it's a pointless debate anyway. It's no coincidence that we had our worst season under Rafa when he was being actively undermined by Purslow (his first full season as MD). His transfer budget mysteriously dissappeared by wage increases etc. Just look at Al's post. How can you operate under such a person? It's almost impossible.

Purslow out, he did his part in ousting G+H, but he is horribly out of his depth (much like Roy).




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Re: Purslow
« Reply #239 on: October 19, 2010, 03:38:23 pm »
Completely agree. You wont get much sense arguing with many on Rafa&WoyKop.net though.

He didn't blame purslow for everything though did he , he basically said he was a major contributing factor. He has also admitted before that "We made many mistakes"