Topic: Arsenal

[Euskadi]

We've had 2 managers in 22 years and your having a go at Arsenal fans for their patience? 

One who was treated appallingly by a large section of your fanbase. Booing is a common thing at the Emirates, it's a very fickle fanbase and not a small contingent either. Had it been up to them Wenger would have walked years back, if anything it is the leadership who had patience...

[Euskadi]

Arsenal fans turning on AFTV'S Robbie outside Goodison today.

https://twitter.com/Lavender_901/status/1208399011687870465

Good! About bloody time

[PaulF]

It's a bit like Everton in that at the moment nobody knows what qualifies as success. It's a results driven game. There is no patience for a slow rebuild and a league , maybe even fa cup will not be enough.
I guess we learnt you have to fall as far as hodgson to realise that a club no longer 'deserves' success or has a right to it. We did phenomenonally well to get klopp. Rodgers is clearly top class but sections of our fanbase were getting impatient. I think almost any manager in the world would have struggled to do better than Rodgers. We did incredibly well to appoint klopp.

[kennedy81]

Arsenal fans turning on AFTV'S Robbie outside Goodison today.

https://twitter.com/Lavender_901/status/1208399011687870465

They've been getting a lot of mainstream press lately, the NYT, a big interview on Talkshite etc.
Gonna be interesting if the match going fans turn against them.

I think if they want to survive they'll need to start doing some serious content and actually add value. They bang on about Kronke and the board all the time, yet having watched dozens of their vids, I'm none the wiser about any of the bigger issues around Arsenal and why they're so shit. That's what they should be using their reach to focus on.
Letting lads rant after a match just doesn't cut it after a while.

[Sheer Magnetism]

cv I think if they want to survive they'll need to start doing some serious content and actually add value. They bang on about Kronke and the board all the time, yet having watched dozens of their vids, I'm none the wiser about any of the bigger issues around Arsenal and why they're so shit. That's what they should be using their reach to focus on.
Letting lads rant after a match just doesn't cut it after a while.

To be fair, they do do a lot of other stuff. There's a podcast, a Premier League review show, Blud Bruvvas (which is hilarious) and a teenage channel. It's not like the rants are the only thing about AFTV.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Good! About bloody time

Why?

[12C]

He has more of an action man head

That’s Tosun you’re  thinking about

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I think if they want to survive they'll need to start doing some serious content and actually add value.

Im not so sure. It doesn't matter what Arsenal fans think of them. They aren't their audience. If anything, Arsenal fans turning against them will just make non-Arsenal fans tune in even more.

I'm a bit torn on it really. I certainly get the anger towards them from the other Arsenal fans, but at the same time I sympathise a little with Robbie. I don't think he set out for it to become what it has, it's just organically gone that way given how the team have been performing and he's made the most out of it. Whilst some of his choices are morally questionable, you can't fault the guy for making his life very comfortable with what in essence was a very simple business idea.

[Gili Gulu]

I think it's a sign of the times we're living in where people's thoughts about how to combat something they don't like is to assemble a mob and bully and threaten. Thanks for that Nigel and Boris. If fans don't like AFTV then don't watch or listen, and direct people to the wealth of other media available.

[ScottishGoon]

One who was treated appallingly by a large section of your fanbase. Booing is a common thing at the Emirates, it's a very fickle fanbase and not a small contingent either. Had it been up to them Wenger would have walked years back, if anything it is the leadership who had patience...

Thing is, that's most modern fanbases I'm afraid, it's almost a reflection of the must have now society. No-one gets time to do anything any more.

People keep talking about Emery getting no time, but he would have got far more time if we even looked remotely like we were progressing or had some sort of plan. But we were all over the place, we were rank, and were getting outpayed by the likes of Southampton & Brighton at home. He had evidently lost the players & very few managers come back from that. If anything, it should have been done at the International break, same time as Spurs did, to give the new manager a more favourable run of fixtures to give us more chance to get further up the table.

As for Wenger being treated appallingly, I'm not condoning that. But that's because most boards nowadays don't let things like that fester. Managers can win leagues and Champions League and be sacked 6 month later. I don't condone that, but the boards intactivity, either by really pushing Wenger to suceeed or hold him accountable, but also not provide the proper funds at the critical times just helped drive the hysteria..

[The North Bank]

The media , opposition fans , pundits, the whole country turned against Wenger a long time before many arsenal fans did.
I always thought the problems were deeper. Many arsenal fans wanted to blame wenger because it's easier to change a manager than the entire ambition of the club. They're finding out now that no matter who is in charge they've got their work cut out managing a directionless club.
I'm just happy staying out of the relegation battle this season, we are so disjointed it's incredible. Arteta seems like an intelligent bloke, maybe he's got some fresh ideas and can add some impetus. Not sure he can change much with these players.

[harleydanger]

Surprised Arsen hasn’t had another job.

[BobPaisley3]

Anyone out of the loop for a few weeks and seeing that Ancelotti and Arteta were managing Everton and Arsenal would surely have imagined that Ancelotti was off to Arsenal. Arteta is their Brendan Rodgers appointment and I’m not sure it will work. Ancelotti would have sorted the defence out straight away and they’d have been challenging for fourth by next season and potentially going the distance in the Europa league. As it is he can only take the Ev so far but it wouldn’t surprise me to see these clubs finishing only two or three places apart come the season end.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Surprised Arsen hasn’t had another job.

he has with fifa now

[kennedy81]

Im not so sure. It doesn't matter what Arsenal fans think of them. They aren't their audience. If anything, Arsenal fans turning against them will just make non-Arsenal fans tune in even more.

I'm a bit torn on it really. I certainly get the anger towards them from the other Arsenal fans, but at the same time I sympathise a little with Robbie. I don't think he set out for it to become what it has, it's just organically gone that way given how the team have been performing and he's made the most out of it. Whilst some of his choices are morally questionable, you can't fault the guy for making his life very comfortable with what in essence was a very simple business idea.

I have some sympathy for them too, in that they're typical of a recent phenomenon that isn't going away any time soon. And to be fair, they've put the hours in and worked hard at it.
But if you're a fan channel whose business model is based on opposition fans tuning in when you're shit, you're going to have problems. What happens if Arsenal get good again? They're viewing numbers will plummet.

I think TAW and RedmenTV have shown how to do fan media properly. They're both recognised as credible groups of people who have built relationships with both the club, and the wider media world. Both have had interviews with Klopp and LFC players, and can regularly engage with serious journos on their shows.
AFTV doesn't have that as they're so antagonistic towards their club, the players and the wider media. They should drop this 'we're disruptors' nonsense and start engaging like adults. It's the only way AFTV will have any real longevity I think.

[Samie]

Bet Arsenal fans are happy to got rid of this clown. AC Milan are in a much bigger shit than  you guy's. 

[Ghost Town]

I think it's a sign of the times we're living in where people's thoughts about how to combat something they don't like is to assemble a mob and bully and threaten. Thanks for that Nigel and Boris. If fans don't like AFTV then don't watch or listen, and direct people to the wealth of other media available.

What a bizarre thing to say. AFTV claim to be there to give Arsenal fans a platform to make their opinions heard. Well these were Arsenal fans making their opinion heard.

If AFTV can dish it out they should be able to take it as well.

[Floydy]

The media , opposition fans , pundits, the whole country turned against Wenger a long time before many arsenal fans did.
I always thought the problems were deeper. Many arsenal fans wanted to blame wenger because it's easier to change a manager than the entire ambition of the club. They're finding out now that no matter who is in charge they've got their work cut out managing a directionless club.
I'm just happy staying out of the relegation battle this season, we are so disjointed it's incredible. Arteta seems like an intelligent bloke, maybe he's got some fresh ideas and can add some impetus. Not sure he can change much with these players.

Always said to Arsenal fans I used to work with circa 2016, they were  all Wenger this Wenger that, he has money but wont spend it, tries to be too clever/frugal in transfer market etc.   I Said to him one night in a bar in Budapest, "what if there is no money for Wenger, and out of respect for the club, fans, and his own moral standards he hasn't come and called it out, he is taking bullets for people."
Nah , he said he has lost it has to go.
Moral of the story , I always thought he should have been afforded much more respect by the media and oppo fans but more pertinently he should have been treated better than he was by his own fans.  Sad but true.

[KirkVanHouten]

Like everything AFTV's relationship with its subject is reflexive. Their content must have some impact on the general mood amongst fans, if nothing else for portraying arsenal fans in a poor light.

However, this witch hunt in the press is misguided. Their results on the pitch have been utter shit and the manner in which they lose is abject. Robbie etc aren't the cause of these results. They were already pretty hostile to their own pre-youtube. Didn't they make Eboue cry?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Arsenal Fan TV were around when they were winning FA Cups every year almost, and the team was doing ''well'' [compared to know] so it's really ridicilious to blame them for their side being shite over the last couple of years.

[Billy The Kid]

I'm honestly not surprised sections of their fan base have turned on Arsenal Fan TV. It's an absolute shit show. I'm all for fans "showing their passion" and "having a voice", but some of that gang assume waaayy to much authority. They also seem to assign wildly arrogant levels of importance to their own opinions - like they're some sort of self-appointed crusaders who's sole mission in life is to protect all things Arsenal. Fucking yawn!!!!

As for that whopper who does the "Vlog", I'm sorry but recording yourself commenting on a game while you're actually in the ground at the game is nothing more than plain unabashed shameless whopperdom.

[Samie]

That's right fam, no getting away from that blud.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

That's right fam, no getting away from that blud.

Ya undastan' me?

[Samie]

I have no idea what I said never mind you mate. 

[kloppagetime]

They should of been all over Chris Wilder instead of Arteta, in what way is Arteta more qualified for the Arsenal job than Wilder is 

[MNAA]

The media , opposition fans , pundits, the whole country turned against Wenger a long time before many arsenal fans did.
I always thought the problems were deeper. Many arsenal fans wanted to blame wenger because it's easier to change a manager than the entire ambition of the club. They're finding out now that no matter who is in charge they've got their work cut out managing a directionless club.
I'm just happy staying out of the relegation battle this season, we are so disjointed it's incredible. Arteta seems like an intelligent bloke, maybe he's got some fresh ideas and can add some impetus. Not sure he can change much with these players.

Correct. Wenger was not completely blameless but he was and is not the main problem

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Always said to Arsenal fans I used to work with circa 2016, they were  all Wenger this Wenger that, he has money but wont spend it, tries to be too clever/frugal in transfer market etc.   I Said to him one night in a bar in Budapest, "what if there is no money for Wenger, and out of respect for the club, fans, and his own moral standards he hasn't come and called it out, he is taking bullets for people."
Nah , he said he has lost it has to go.
Moral of the story , I always thought he should have been afforded much more respect by the media and oppo fans but more pertinently he should have been treated better than he was by his own fans.  Sad but true.

The thing that gets me is that Wenger used to be so good at unearthing inexpensive gems, particularly players with outstanding mentality. Petit and Vieira were as solid a central midfield partnership as you'll find in the PL era, at a combined cost of about £15m. They then didn't have a spine for the best part of a decade. They brought in Sven Mislintat from BVB, renowned for identifying cheap talent, who then goes out and gets Aubamayang, Sokratis and Miki-ryan. WTF is that all about?  Is it just a case of them being lucky with the people around them, or is something else going on behind the scenes?

I don't understand how people like Wenger and Mislintat, who were so good at assembling teams, became so laughably bad. It doesn't make any sense. Funds or not.

[ScouserAtHeart]

There are no secrets in football anymore. Anyone who's a standout in even the lower leagues is well known to dozens of clubs

Vieira joined in what, 95 or 96? He was an unknown to most people. A 20-year-old with his talent nowadays would have tons of YouTube clips and be linked to many clubs, assuming he was even at a smaller club till aged 20.

Look at us and Harvey Elliot. We don't buy him at 16, he's not staying at Fulham, someone else gets him.

Wenger and that Sven guy used their contacts and connections to spot and cherry pick players no one else knew. That's just not possible anymore

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

There are no secrets in football anymore. Anyone who's a standout in even the lower leagues is well known to dozens of clubs

Vieira joined in what, 95 or 96? He was an unknown to most people. A 20-year-old with his talent nowadays would have tons of YouTube clips and be linked to many clubs, assuming he was even at a smaller club till aged 20.

Look at us and Harvey Elliot. We don't buy him at 16, he's not staying at Fulham, someone else gets him.

Wenger and that Sven guy used their contacts and connections to spot and cherry pick players no one else knew. That's just not possible anymore

I'm not so sure. The numbers have changed, no doubt, but there are still plenty of bargains to be had. We've paid a pittance for Matip, Robbo, Shaq, Minamino, and, in the wider context Salah. Plenty of clubs are also picking up bargains, the likes of Upamecano, Zakaria in the BL, even Real Madrid got Casemiro for less than £4m.

Put it this way, Wenger came in to Arsenal and in the space of 36 months had bought Vieira (3.5m), Anelka (<0.5m),  Petit (4m), Overmars (6.75m), Ljunberg (4m), Kanu (5.6m), Sylvinho (free), Henry (14.5m)...

Whereas in his last year he spent over 30m on Miki-ryan, Mustafi, Xhaka, nearly 20m on Elneny, Wellbeck, Chambers.

I know I've cherry picked examples somewhat, but the difference is staggering. What happened to the man?

[Red-Soldier]

I'm not so sure. The numbers have changed, no doubt, but there are still plenty of bargains to be had. We've paid a pittance for Matip, Robbo, Shaq, Minamino, and, in the wider context Salah. Plenty of clubs are also picking up bargains, the likes of Upamecano, Zakaria in the BL, even Real Madrid got Casemiro for less than £4m.

Put it this way, Wenger came in to Arsenal and in the space of 36 months had bought Vieira (3.5m), Anelka (<0.5m),  Petit (4m), Overmars (6.75m), Ljunberg (4m), Kanu (5.6m), Sylvinho (free), Henry (14.5m)...

Whereas in his last year he spent over 30m on Miki-ryan, Mustafi, Xhaka, nearly 20m on Elneny, Wellbeck, Chambers.

I know I've cherry picked examples somewhat, but the difference is staggering. What happened to the man?

How about Mane too?

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

How about Mane too?

Ha! In the wider context we could throw in Mane, Bobby, Alisson, VVD and Fab, but I thought that would be taking the piss. What I was trying to get at was the way we have managed to underpay for so many players - Salah we underpaid due to Roma's FFP restrictions, whereas, at the time, I'd day we payed the going rate for Mane (and Alisson and VVD), but he has since improved.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Ha! In the wider context we could throw in Mane, Bobby, Alisson, VVD and Fab, but I thought that would be taking the piss. What I was trying to get at was the way we have managed to underpay for so many players - Salah we underpaid due to Roma's FFP restrictions, whereas, at the time, I'd day we payed the going rate for Mane (and Alisson and VVD), but he has since improved.

to be fair they’ve got martinelli and guendouzi for something like £15m combined so they’ve done some smart deals

[kavah]

What is up with Arsenal?
Have they got a few injuries?
Their results have been shocking for weeks 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

What is up with Arsenal?
Have they got a few injuries?
Their results have been shocking for weeks

Weeks? They've been dire all season long. They got injuries to their fullbacks but they're short of quality all over and have been crap since the first half of last season.

[The North Bank]

Weeks? They've been dire all season long. They got injuries to their fullbacks but they're short of quality all over and have been crap since the first half of last season.

We've been shit for a few seasons now.

[gazzalfc]

Simple Arsenal. Quite good going forward but at the back they are a serious liability.

Even simply, they have no leadership within that team at all.

There's a real core issue that can't be improved by a new manager.

[elsewhere]

They got the new manager bump and got the draw or else they would be losing last 2 matches,

[markmywords]

I'm not so sure. The numbers have changed, no doubt, but there are still plenty of bargains to be had. We've paid a pittance for Matip, Robbo, Shaq, Minamino, and, in the wider context Salah. Plenty of clubs are also picking up bargains, the likes of Upamecano, Zakaria in the BL, even Real Madrid got Casemiro for less than £4m.

Put it this way, Wenger came in to Arsenal and in the space of 36 months had bought Vieira (3.5m), Anelka (<0.5m),  Petit (4m), Overmars (6.75m), Ljunberg (4m), Kanu (5.6m), Sylvinho (free), Henry (14.5m)...

Whereas in his last year he spent over 30m on Miki-ryan, Mustafi, Xhaka, nearly 20m on Elneny, Wellbeck, Chambers.

I know I've cherry picked examples somewhat, but the difference is staggering. What happened to the man?

I think towards the end of his time at Arsenal, he largely abandoned his strategy of developing younger talents.

Maybe due to pressure, or a higher wage budget.

I don't think he would have targetted the likes of auba, miki- ryan, mertesacker, cech, jamie vardy earlier on in his reign

[Kopenhagen]

Seems as if Xhaka is off to Hertha.

[Garlicbread]

Didn't realize they've only won 2 PL games since the beginning of October.