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« on: May 1, 2007, 10:46:49 am »
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Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa (c. 63 BC–12 BC) was a Roman statesman and general. He was a close friend, son-in-law and minister to Octavian, the future emperor Caesar Augustus. He was responsible for most of Octavian’s military triumphs, most notably winning the naval Battle of Actium against the forces of Mark Antony and Cleopatra VII of Egypt.

Agrippa was born between 64–62 BC in an uncertain location. His father was Lucius Vipsanius Agrippa and his sister was Vipsania Polla. The family were sufficiently wealthy to hold equestrian rank, but had not been prominent in Roman public life. However, Agrippa was about the same age as Octavius (the future emperor Augustus), and the two were educated together and became close friends. Despite Agrippa's association with the family of Julius Caesar, his elder brother chose another side in the civil wars of the 40s BC, fighting under Cato against Caesar in Africa. When Cato's forces were defeated, Agrippa's brother was taken prisoner but freed after Octavius interceded on his behalf.

It is not known whether Agrippa fought against his brother in Africa, but he probably served in Caesar's campaign of 46–45 BC against Gnaeus Pompeius, which culminated in the Battle of Munda. At any rate, Caesar regarded him highly enough to send him with Octavius in 45 BC to study in Apollonia with the Macedonian legions, while Caesar consolidated his power in Rome. It was in the fourth month of their stay in Apollonia that the news of Julius Caesar's assassination in March 44 BC reached them. Despite the advice of Agrippa and another friend, Quintus Salvidienus Rufus, that he march on Rome with the troops from Macedonia, Octavius decided to sail to Italy with a small retinue. After his arrival, he learnt that Caesar had adopted him as his legal heir. (Octavius now took over Caesar's name, but is referred to by modern historians as "Octavian" during this period.)

After Octavian's return to Rome, he and his supporters realized they needed the support of legions. Agrippa helped Octavian to levy troops in Campania. Once Octavian had his legions, he made a pact with Mark Antony and Lepidus, legally established in 43 BC as the Second Triumvirate. Octavian and his consular colleague Quintus Pedius arranged for Caesar's assassins to be prosecuted in their absence, and Agrippa was entrusted with the case against Gaius Cassius Longinus. It may have been in the same year that Agrippa began his political career, holding the position of Tribune of the Plebs, which granted him entry to the Senate.

In 42 BC, Agrippa probably fought alongside Octavian and Antony in the Battle of Philippi. After their return to Rome, he played a major role in Octavian's war against Lucius Antonius and Fulvia Antonia, respectively the brother and wife of Mark Antony, which began in 41 BC and ended in the capture of Perusia in 40 BC. However, Salvidienus remained Octavian's main general at this time. After the Perusine war, Octavian departed for Gaul, leaving Agrippa as urban praetor in Rome with instructions to defend Italy against Sextus Pompeius, an opponent of the Triumvirate who was now occupying Sicily.

In July 40, while Agrippa was occupied with the Ludi Apollinares that were the praetor's responsibility, Sextus began a raid in southern Italy. Agrippa advanced on him, forcing him to withdraw. However, the Triumvirate proved unstable, and in August 40 Antony sided with Sextus in a joint invasion of Italy. Agrippa's success in retaking Sipontum from Antony helped bring an end to the conflict. Agrippa was among the intermediaries through whom Antony and Octavian agreed once more upon peace. During the discussions Octavian learned that Salvidienus had offered to betray him to Antony, with the result that Salvidienus was executed or committed suicide. Agrippa was now Octavian's leading general.

In 39 or 38 BC, Octavian appointed Agrippa governor of Transalpine Gaul, where in 38 he put down a rising of the Aquitanians. He also fought the Germanic tribes, becoming the first Roman general to cross the Rhine after Julius Caesar. He was summoned back to Rome by Octavian to assume the consulship for 37 BC. He was well below the usual minimum age of 43, but Octavian had suffered a humiliating naval defeat against Sextus Pompey and needed his friend to oversee the preparations for further warfare. Agrippa refused the offer of a triumph for his exploits in Gaul – on the grounds, says Dio, that he thought it improper to celebrate during a time of trouble for Octavian. Since Sextus Pompeius had command of the sea on the coasts of Italy, Agrippa's first care was to provide a safe harbor for his ships. He accomplished this by cutting through the strips of land which separated the Lacus Lucrinus from the sea, thus forming an outer harbor, while joining the lake Avernus to the Lucrinus to serve as an inner harbor. The new harbor-complex was named Portus Julius in Octavian's honour. Agrippa was also responsible for technological improvements, including larger ships and an improved form of grappling hook. About this time, he married Caecilia Attica, daughter of Cicero's friend Titus Pomponius Atticus.

In 36 BC Octavian and Agrippa set sail against Sextus. The fleet was badly damaged by storms and had to withdraw; Agrippa was left in charge of the second attempt. Thanks to superior technology and training, Agrippa and his men won decisive victories at Mylae and Naulochus, destroying all but seventeen of Sextus' ships and compelling most of his forces to surrender. Octavian, with his power increased, forced the triumvir Lepidus into retirement and entered Rome in triumph. Agrippa received the unprecedented honor of a naval crown decorated with the beaks of ships; as Dio remarks, this was "a decoration given to nobody before or since".

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I often wonder whether historians write about legends for their own benefit or for those of us who were born millennia later.

To be frank, reading between the lines I think "Agrippa" was an OK guy. But what fascinates me the most was his foresight. When he designed the Pantheon, still one of the most visited tourist attractions, what was going through his mind ?

"If I build it, they will come"?

"If I build it, people will remember all the famous battles I've won"?

"People will remember me for all my achievements and architectural brilliance"?

Well if that's true, what is the inscription on the front of the building?

My attention was drawn to the inscription many years ago by Steve Davies (Rushian) but I could never make out exactly what it said. I could make out "LFC" which made me wonder, was Agrippa a kopite?

On researching Agrippa his birth date obviously discounts that. And then the light bulb of inspiration clicked on.

"The bloody guy was Psychic"

He was an earlier version of the famous prophet Nostradamus.

Over 2000 years ago he foresaw a greater battle, even beyond those of his own. And so he got his early stone masons to inscribe his most famous architectural design with the result of this future battle.

Today is the day the Great Agrippa foresaw.

If you don't believe me have a look at the photo (below) taken recently and see if you can see what the greatest prophet of all time foresaw.

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #1 on: May 1, 2007, 10:52:36 am »
It's like the old one about the Romans who conquer all of Europe except Liverpool. Eventually the city is under siege and Caesar gets involved arriving at the Birkenhead tunnel.  Fuck this, he says, send in the elite praetorian guards and they all go riding into the tunnel. All you eventually hear is a massacre and eventually a lone survivor crawls out saying how horrific it was.
 
Fucking tosser, says Caesar, let's go in, so they all go charging in, the entire Roman army. Eventually, they stop when they see an urchin leaning against the tunnel wall smoking a joint.
 
Right, says the urchin, what fuckers are next then?

Caesar says, Brutus, go and do the c*nt. So Brutus walks round and the scally fucks off around a corner. Brutus follows him and someone's getting a hiding.

The urchin returns a few seconds later and says, that's Brutus out of the way and all yer guards have been massacred, who's fucking next then?

Just then Brutus crawls around the corner, don't do it Caesar, he says, it's a trap, there's two of the fuckers.
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #2 on: May 1, 2007, 10:56:55 am »
It's like the old one about the Romans who conquer all of Europe except Liverpool. Eventually the city is under siege and Caesar gets involved arriving at the Birkenhead tunnel.  Fuck this, he says, send in the elite praetorian guards and they all go riding into the tunnel. All you eventually hear is a massacre and eventually a lone survivor crawls out saying how horrific it was.
 
Fucking tosser, says Caesar, let's go in, so they all go charging in, the entire Roman army. Eventually, they stop when they see an urchin leaning against the tunnel wall smoking a joint.
 
Right, says the urchin, what fuckers are next then?

Caesar says, Brutus, go and do the c*nt. So Brutus walks round and the scally fucks off around a corner. Brutus follows him and someone's getting a hiding.

The urchin returns a few seconds later and says, that's Brutus out of the way and all yer guards have been massacred, who's fucking next then?

Just then Brutus crawls around the corner, don't do it Caesar, he says, it's a trap, there's two of the fuckers.

 ;D

I was reading the Scouse Empire one this morning and thought hmmm time for an update.
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #3 on: May 1, 2007, 11:15:54 am »
Well in if Aggripa was a red - 2,000 years before the team existed. But I think that LFC 4 Chelsea 1 might be a tad optimistic.

Nice spot nonetheless.

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« Reply #4 on: May 1, 2007, 11:19:11 am »
;D

I was reading the Scouse Empire one this morning and thought hmmm time for an update.
If nothing else this place is great for education.

It was the only related response I could think of. :D

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« Reply #5 on: May 1, 2007, 11:30:33 am »
It's amazing what people will believe if you doctor a picture with Photoshop.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg/800px-Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg

It does say L . F. C mind.

And the picture's from May 2005. Spooky.

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« Reply #6 on: May 1, 2007, 11:38:59 am »
It's amazing what people will believe if you doctor a picture with Photoshop.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg/800px-Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg

It does say L . F. C mind.

And the picture's from May 2005. Spooky.

haha, for a minute there i believed him!!!

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« Reply #7 on: May 1, 2007, 11:41:37 am »
Found deep in the archives is pictorialentary proof that this is most definately factual.
It also dispels the age old notion that Daguerre was the inventor of modern photography in the early 19th Century as this image proves.


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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #8 on: May 1, 2007, 11:48:51 am »
These will get us all in the mood for tonight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ4sbUAGLtc&NR=1

Mourinho said don't worry Chelsea have nothing to fear but how he went so quiet when up popped Luis Garcia his shot it had no power but then he took his goal and now he's taking Rafa to Istanbul

Rafael rafael rafa in Istanbul

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #9 on: May 1, 2007, 11:55:55 am »
:-\  I read it as " LFC 1 v Chelsea 1 "  :-[

Miserable bastard that Agrippa......
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #10 on: May 1, 2007, 12:19:43 pm »
What tune is 'Rafa in Istanbul' to?  Sorry if I'm being a bit thick
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« Reply #11 on: May 1, 2007, 12:35:12 pm »
 ;D his spelling is suspect though

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #12 on: May 1, 2007, 01:14:14 pm »
it could actually mean 5-1 to chelsea
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #13 on: May 1, 2007, 01:39:33 pm »
Back with a vengance Wooltonian  ;D Think you'll have to throw them tiddlers back though.

What tune is 'Rafa in Istanbul' to?  Sorry if I'm being a bit thick
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« Reply #14 on: May 1, 2007, 02:42:15 pm »
Inicidentally, for anyone who's interested, the actual inscription (which reads "M AGRIPPA L F COS TERTIUM FECIT") means "MARCUS AGRIPPA, SON OF LUCIUS, MADE THIS WHILE HE WAS CONSUL FOR THE THIRD TIME".

Bizarrely though, Agrippa DIDN'T actually build the Pantheon that stands in Rome today. That Pantheon was destroyed by fire, and was rebuilt by Domitian. Domitian's Pantheon then also burnt down, to be replaced by Hadrian in the early 2nd century. The only thing which survived from the original temple was the inscription over the portico, which Hadrian made the centrepiece of his new Pantheon. Other than this, Hadrian's Pantheon would have looked very different from Agrippa's rectangular original.
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« Reply #15 on: May 1, 2007, 02:52:18 pm »
I would feel so proud of myself if you confirmed my thought that it was Nero who burnt down Rome? I'm no good at history.

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« Reply #16 on: May 1, 2007, 02:54:42 pm »
I would feel so proud of myself if you confirmed my thought that it was Nero who burnt down Rome? I'm no good at history.

And he fiddled too.

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« Reply #17 on: May 1, 2007, 02:55:23 pm »
I would feel so proud of myself if you confirmed my thought that it was Nero who burnt down Rome? I'm no good at history.

Sorry. He didn't, though he was accused.

Rome actually suffered many huge fires, as large portions of the city were made of wood. Nero was accused of "fiddling while Rome burnt" (standing by and watching, playing his lyre while the city burnt down), but there is actually little to support this idea. Indeed, according to the historian Tacitus, he was actually 30 miles away in his country retreat when the great fire of 64ad actually began.
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #18 on: May 1, 2007, 03:01:44 pm »
And he fiddled too.

Diddled as well...
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« Reply #19 on: May 1, 2007, 03:02:29 pm »
Very clever. Can't believe people actually thought it said that. :D
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« Reply #20 on: May 1, 2007, 03:04:51 pm »
The idea that Nero "fiddled" while Rome burned is a myth.

Edit : Sorry Imperator. Just read your post.
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« Reply #21 on: May 1, 2007, 03:46:50 pm »
MAGRIPPA LFCOSTERTIVM FECIT

STE G PRIMA ET LFC VICTOR.......AIMPF (http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/202807&authorid=2058)

In other words Ste Gerrard in the 1st Extra Time and Liverpool win ....... then off we go to celebrate in Ancient lands.

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #22 on: May 1, 2007, 04:51:24 pm »
It's like the old one about the Romans who conquer all of Europe except Liverpool. Eventually the city is under siege and Caesar gets involved arriving at the Birkenhead tunnel.  Fuck this, he says, send in the elite praetorian guards and they all go riding into the tunnel. All you eventually hear is a massacre and eventually a lone survivor crawls out saying how horrific it was.
 
Fucking tosser, says Caesar, let's go in, so they all go charging in, the entire Roman army. Eventually, they stop when they see an urchin leaning against the tunnel wall smoking a joint.
 
Right, says the urchin, what fuckers are next then?

Caesar says, Brutus, go and do the c*nt. So Brutus walks round and the scally fucks off around a corner. Brutus follows him and someone's getting a hiding.

The urchin returns a few seconds later and says, that's Brutus out of the way and all yer guards have been massacred, who's fucking next then?

Just then Brutus crawls around the corner, don't do it Caesar, he says, it's a trap, there's two of the fuckers.

Hence the famous phrase from Caesar: "Eh Two Brutus?"   (Et Tu Brute)
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« Reply #23 on: May 1, 2007, 04:59:38 pm »
Sorry. He didn't, though he was accused.

Bar steward. Good info, still - every day is a school day, as they say.

And he fiddled too.

He sounds like a man after my own heart, though.

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #24 on: May 1, 2007, 11:29:55 pm »


What a prediction that turned out to be!

Now, if you look very, very, very closely at the Acropolis you'll see...


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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #25 on: May 2, 2007, 12:19:28 am »
What a prediction that turned out to be!






Wooltonian great prediction !!  - amazing

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« Reply #26 on: May 2, 2007, 01:09:59 am »
 :o Amazing prediction - 4-1 on Pens ;D
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #27 on: May 2, 2007, 03:29:43 am »
well even if this agrippa didn't predict it, whoever thought of the idea got it bang on the fucken money

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« Reply #28 on: May 2, 2007, 04:10:02 am »
"I've not seen it and I'm not being Arsene Wenger," Dalglish said. "If there's something untoward then I am sure the governing body will act appropriately."

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« Reply #29 on: May 2, 2007, 07:09:21 am »
What a prediction that turned out to be!

Now, if you look very, very, very closely at the Acropolis you'll see...





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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #30 on: May 2, 2007, 09:19:44 am »
It's amazing what people will believe if you doctor a picture with Photoshop.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg/800px-Pantheon_rome_2005may.jpg

It does say L . F. C mind.

And the picture's from May 2005. Spooky.

It's really embarrassing when Wikipedia turns out to have doctored photos on it, isn't it.

Wooltonian's picture is clearly the genuine one.

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #31 on: May 2, 2007, 11:44:50 am »
I must be honest to being too slaughtered to realise we won 4-1 on pens last night. It was only this morning "Agrippa's Prediction" dawned on me and I burst out laughin.

Now where is Alexander the Great's famous predictions ?
Sadly they were lost when the Great Library of Alexandria was burnt down.
Somehow, I dont think that's going to stop the next load of .......

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« Reply #32 on: May 2, 2007, 12:09:18 pm »
I must be honest to being too slaughtered to realise we won 4-1 on pens last night. It was only this morning "Agrippa's Prediction" dawned on me and I burst out laughin.

Now where is Alexander the Great's famous predictions ?
Sadly they were lost when the Great Library of Alexandria was burnt down.
Somehow, I dont think that's going to stop the next load of .......

Historical Bollocks !
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Good stuff...............you know history never lies !
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #33 on: May 2, 2007, 01:01:01 pm »
:wellin  fucking genius! :scarf
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #34 on: May 2, 2007, 01:07:52 pm »
Considerable debate surrounds the Interpretation of the Elgin Marbles but I'm pretty certain Wooltonian will crack it before May 23.

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #35 on: May 2, 2007, 01:40:40 pm »
Considerable debate surrounds the Interpretation of the Elgin Marbles but I'm pretty certain Wooltonian will crack it before May 23.

Are they the ones we used to call Olley's on the schoolyard ?
???

My own thought was going to be based on a re-translation of the Rosetta Stone or fuckin up the entire history of Alexander the Great  ;D
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #36 on: May 2, 2007, 01:45:14 pm »
Messiah Messiah.....

Now where were you last night around the time of the Match......

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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #37 on: May 2, 2007, 06:55:06 pm »
Considerable debate surrounds the Interpretation of the Elgin Marbles but I'm pretty certain Wooltonian will crack it before May 23.

I heard a rumour that Wooltonian has lost his effin marbles.............is that similar?
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #38 on: May 3, 2007, 11:24:46 am »
It was correct
We won 4-1 in the shootout.
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Re: Lets Get AGRIPPA Them !
« Reply #39 on: May 3, 2007, 01:23:13 pm »
:-\  I read it as " LFC 1 v Chelsea 1 "  :-[

Miserable bastard that Agrippa......


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