Topic: Champions of England FINAL!

[Something Worse]

ELZAR

LASTRADOR

Tim Flowers in goal

[Crosby Nick]

The other teams must have been poor.

There’ll be an obvious answer but how come Robbie is in there?

[Elzar]

The other teams must have been poor.

There’ll be an obvious answer but how come Robbie is in there?

We were allowed one player from a team that finished 2nd

Greaves in my case for Spurs and Last picked Fowler from his half a season when Liverpool came 2nd 

[AndyMuller]

Went for Lastrador. Soz Elzar!

[Elzar]

This is Lastradors tactics after the runs have been made



Vulnerable to a counter I'd say! 

[Crosby Nick]

We were allowed one player from a team that finished 2nd

Greaves in my case for Spurs and Last picked Fowler from his half a season when Liverpool came 2nd 

Thanks. Is just assumed Greaves had won it when Spurs won the double in the early 60s.

I went Elzar by the way. Right call and the midfield battle would be very good.

[Elzar]

Been averaging around 16/17 votes per match, so this is neck and neck with not many people left to vote 

[tubby]

Like the balance of both teams but felt Elzar just edges it.

[Crosby Nick]

Been averaging around 16/17 votes per match, so this is neck and neck with not many people left to vote 

This is the first game I’ve voted on. I’m like the Chris De Burgh or Clive Owen (probably more De Burgh ) of drafts, only rock up for the big games these days.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Lastrador.

[Gerry Attrick]

The right final I would say. Went for Elzar because I think his side has more goals in it. Overmars and Ljungberg were good players, but nobody could call them prolific.

[Lastrador]

Really tight this one. Think it’s pretty even all across the board, but I have a bit more faith in my defence shutting down the granny shagger and uncle Jimmy than the other way around. Great side Elzar has in there though, I wouldn’t know how to call it if I wasn’t involved (Yes I would). Good luck mate.

[Elzar]

A few more hours and I'm gonna throw Hansen upfront.

[Lastrador]

This is Lastradors tactics after the runs have been made



Vulnerable to a counter I'd say! 

You have no width so I wouldn’t worry about it. 

[Elzar]

One thing this final shows is that nobody cares about the keepers 

[Lastrador]

One thing this final shows is that nobody cares about the keepers 

Indeed. And no matter how many times we repeat it, there are still people who use their 3 round pick to get one.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

One thing this final shows is that nobody cares about the keepers 

Sorry Elz - pressed the wrong button -- voted for the team with a keeper.

[Lastrador]

Sorry Elz - pressed the wrong button -- voted for the team with a keeper.

I take it.

[Elzar]

Sorry Elz - pressed the wrong button -- voted for the team with a keeper.

Ha I had a reply ready too!

Lastrador does have Flowers in goal to be fair, but not sure what vegetation will do to stop Greaves smashing one in

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Indeed. And no matter how many times we repeat it, there are still people who use their 3 round pick to get one.

Let people draft the way they see fit mate.  Otherwise, you have a collective echo chamber of like-minded, polite opponents competing for the kiss arse vote...

The major problem is not with the drafting, but with the voting process/preferences (imo).  Prefer an outside agitator that rotates... that way we get a dispersal of ideas and you never know how it will turn out.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

I take it.

Maybe Claus can count this match even --- and have an expert come in and decide 

[Betty Blue]

One thing this final shows is that nobody cares about the keepers 

I literally have no clue who your keeper is    Is he better than 'Keeper' though? That's the real question.

[Elzar]

The major problem is not with the drafting, but with the voting preferences (imo).

That was probably the point more than anything. If you're in it to win it, then drafting a keeper early is pointless. However I often draft to make a fun team and I'm not that arsed about the voting process, in which case people can do whatever they want

Has there ever been a player before 1900's in the final of a draft before?

[Elzar]

I literally have no clue who your keeper is    Is he better than 'Keeper' though? That's the real question.

See here:

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=345537.msg17252022#msg17252022

I just wanted someone from Prestons invincibles. Football didn't start in 1960 you know! 

[Lastrador]

Ha I had a reply ready too!

Lastrador does have Flowers in goal to be fair, but not sure what vegetation will do to stop Greaves smashing one in

Strong roots though.

Let people draft the way they see fit mate.  Otherwise, you have a collective echo chamber of like-minded, polite opponents competing for the kiss arse vote...

The major problem is not with the drafting, but with the voting preferences (imo).

Nobody is forcing anybody to draft one way or the other mate. It's friendly advice based on experience.

Maybe Claus can count this match even --- and have an expert come in and decide 

That would be gracious of me, too bad I'm not gracious. 

[Lastrador]

I literally have no clue who your keeper is    Is he better than 'Keeper' though? That's the real question.

He was so good they named a position after him. Case closed.

[Elzar]

He was so good they named a position after him. Case closed.

I thought that was the Argentine "Gól Kippar"

[Lastrador]

I thought that was the Argentine "Gól Kippar"

History isn't conclusive one way or the other mate. Some say Samie's great grandpa was the original keeper, and he also liked goats. That's where young Sam obsession comes from.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Strong roots though.

Nobody is forcing anybody to draft one way or the other mate. It's friendly advice based on experience.
That would be gracious of me, too bad I'm not gracious. 

 

[Crosby Nick]

One thing this final shows is that nobody cares about the keepers 

I just assumed Harry Trainer was the name of an old title winning side from back in the day.

[Elzar]

I just assumed Harry Trainer was the name of an old title winning side from back in the day.

It was actually Jimmy Trainer.

[Crosby Nick]

It was actually Jimmy Trainer.

There you go. Couldn’t be arsed to check.

Still voted for you.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

It was actually Jimmy Trainer.

He died in poverty in 1915 apparently.  And this was not the worst thing to happen to him as the 21st century saw Elzar draft him....

When will the humiliation stop 


James Trainer (7 January 1863 in Wrexham – 5 August 1915 in Paddington, Central London, England) was a Welsh association football player of the Victorian era. He was named the best goalkeeper of the English Football League several years in a row starting with the initial season of 1888–89, when he was part of the unbeaten Preston North End team nicknamed "The Invincibles".

James Trainer, a time–served coachbuilder played his first senior match for a Wrexham club and before long had established a reputation as an excellent goalkeeper. He left the 'Robins' under a cloud, following a particularly rough FA Cup tie against Oswestry in December 1883. He was alleged to have insulted the referee and the FA banned Wrexham from the competition and reported Trainer's offence to the Football Association of Wales. After a spell with Great Lever, he joined Bolton Wanderers in 1884. He went on to appear in a number of pre–League games for the Wanderers and his form earned him international recognition when he played for Wales against Scotland in 1887. Trainer enjoyed his greatest success at Preston North End as a member of the 'Invincibles'. Curiously he had impressed North End while playing for Bolton at Deepdale, the home of Preston North End, in a match in which he let in 12 goals. He first appeared for North End in August 1887 on a short tour of Scotland. Although he was on the losing side against Hibernian, it was another eight months before he tasted defeat again. Trainer sharpened up his catching ability by playing for the club's baseball team and in North End's pre–League days was known to 'wear a mackintosh' and 'shelter under an umbrella' during a game.[2]

Jimmy Trainer made his League debut on 8 September 1888 in goal for Preston North End against Burnley at Deepdale. Preston won 5-2. Jimmy Trainer played 20 of Preston' 22 League Championship matches and as a goalkeeper played in a Preston North End defence that achieved 12 clean-sheets and restricted the opposition to one–League–goal–in–a–match on three separate occasions. Jimmy Trainer assisted Preston North End to be 1888–89 League Champions. Preston North End went onto win the 1889 FA Cup and complete the first–ever double. However, in 1888 Preston practiced what is common practive now. The No:2 goalkeeper played in FA Cup ties and so Trainer did not play in the 1889 FA Cup campaign.[3]

Between 1888 and 1897 Trainer played in 253 games for Preston, and after retiring he became landlord of the Lamb Hotel in Preston.

He later moved to London, where his business failed. He died in poverty in 1915.[4]

Honours
Wrexham
Welsh Cup winners: 1883[5]


References
 Fußball-Weltzeitschrift No. 10, Jan/Feb 1988.
 Hayes, Dean (2006). The Who's Who of Preston North End. Breedon Books. pp. 234–235. ISBN 1 85983 516 3.
 "English National Football Archive". Retrieved 17 March 2018. (registration & fee required)
 "James Trainer : Biography at Spartacus Educational". Archived from the original on 9 July 2009. Retrieved 14 March 2010.
 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4590052/4590055/13/[/b]

[Elzar]

Well it’s tense...

[Lastrador]

[Elzar]

Fuck

[Something Worse]

Congrats Lastrador!

[Elzar]

[tubby]

Good final, boys.

[RobbieRedman]

hard luck Elzar, two great teams

well done Lastrador