Topic: Andy Robertson (Andrew Henry Robertson MBE)

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Just Fucking Robertson...

[scatman]

That's because discussion of the Greenwood thing is not permitted by the mods for legal reasons.

that thread was open for a while and was reopened.

So far we've had someone comparing him to Boris. People who've no idea what NFTs are complaining about him, who've no idea about the blockchain its on (its not one that requires mining) and suddenly that being about a trip to Dubai to play golf.

You actually posted some good information (Coffeezilla makes great content and exposes a lot of scams - especially those Paul brother chancers). Here's my disclaimer - i don't own or intend to own any NFTs. I think they are a bad investment in their current guise (images) however tokenisation means we'll see possibly registries of NFTs for other things (regulated ie real estate, music).

Anyway always nice to see our fans shit on a player, can't wait to see the reaction once Adidas and Nike start forcing the other players in our team to take part (as they will seeing as Adidas already do them).

[El Lobo]

Just Fungible Robertson...

[Dim Glas]

that thread was open for a while and was reopened.

So far we've had someone comparing him to Boris. People who've no idea what NFTs are complaining about him, who've no idea about the blockchain its ona (its not one that requires mining) and suddenly that being about a trip to Dubai to play golf.

You actually posted some good information (Coffeezilla makes great content and exposes a lot of scams - especially those Paul brother chancers). Here's my disclaimer - i don't own or intend to own any NFTs. I think they are a bad investment in their current guise (images) however tokenisation means we'll see possibly registries of NFTs for other things (regulated ie real estate, music).

Anyway always nice to see our fans shit on a player, can't wait to see the reaction once Adidas and Nike start forcing the other players in our team to take part (as they will seeing as Adidas already do them).

Can’t wait to buy a nft of real-estate. Do I get to just click a link so I can look at a nice house somewhere? 

Anyway, I don’t think anyone is ’shitting’ on Robbo. 

I agree that this will become very much a regular thing, but no reason to just sit back and accept it wihout discussion to be honest. And maybe people will learn something new, as indeed that youtube vid a few posts up did. And I mean those in the pro and against camp may learn something.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

[scatman]

Can’t wait to buy a nft of real-estate. Do I get to just click a link so I can look at a nice house somewhere? 

Anyway, I don’t think anyone is ’shitting’ on Robbo. 

I agree that this will become very much a regular thing, but no reason to just sit back and accept it wihout discussion to be honest. And maybe people will learn something new, as indeed that youtube vid a few posts up did. And I mean those in the pro and against camp may learn something.

Haha no, more in the sense that it holds deeds/ledgers for land/housing like a registry but online and easily visible to all. There's good videos on how it could be accomplished but of course also disadvantages.
Jepovic had the right comment in terms of how to react to but did you read some of the crap on the previous pages

[Red Raw]

This is a long watch but worth it for getting clued up on NFTs, and how ridiculous they are.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/i_VsgT5gfMc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/i_VsgT5gfMc</a>

EDIT: can't get it to embed for some reason.... her'e the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_VsgT5gfMc

How's that?

[Max_powers]

My biggest problem with this stuff is that selling URLs to fans for real money is kinda immoral. Fake digital scarcity is some bullcrap. This behaviour normalizes fake scarcity.

Fake scarcity is crap in general and has terrible environmental/social impacts. I live in a city that has had exploding homelessness. Yet you see that the Facebook marketplace is full of people selling Air Jordan's, Yeezys and Pokemon cards for 100-1000s of dollars. We are literally finacializing everything URLs, shoes, kids toys while our society is as unequal as it has ever been.

[Elmo!]

How's that?

Ta!

I've embedded hundreds of YT videos here and know exactly how to do it.... but wouldn't play for.

How did you get this one to work??

[Red Beret]

Thie thing I don't get, having taken a look at his NFTs, is that the whole idea of Non Fungible Tokens is that they are supposed to be.... non-fungible. Unlike money for example where 1 pound is the same as another pound, I don't care which pound I have, each NFT is supposed to be unique.

Robbo seems to be selling 2021 identical NFTs. 1 Robbo NFT is completely interchangeable with another Robbo NFT. It's entirely fungible.

So it's an EFT? 

Personally, I think this is a separate issue from Robbo the footballer, so if people insist on discussing it, it should be split from this topic. Mods?

[S]

You should sell this post as an NFT.

[Dim Glas]

that thread was open for a while and was reopened.

So far we've had someone comparing him to Boris. People who've no idea what NFTs are complaining about him, who've no idea about the blockchain its on (its not one that requires mining) and suddenly that being about a trip to Dubai to play golf.

You actually posted some good information (Coffeezilla makes great content and exposes a lot of scams - especially those Paul brother chancers). Here's my disclaimer - i don't own or intend to own any NFTs. I think they are a bad investment in their current guise (images) however tokenisation means we'll see possibly registries of NFTs for other things (regulated ie real estate, music).

Anyway always nice to see our fans shit on a player, can't wait to see the reaction once Adidas and Nike start forcing the other players in our team to take part (as they will seeing as Adidas already do them).

I agree with jepvic’s take really. I mean, the whole thing is daft too me, the concept of buying a link to an image - and the prices some will pay, defo goes down the route of ‘more money than sense’.

But really, I don’t see people shitting on him, they just aren’t impressed with him doing this! I suspect if the was trying to flog some shit, but actually tangible merchandise himself people wouldn’t be raving about that either. The NFT itself is crap, it’s just so rubbish looking, like a cheap Topps trading card.

Like I say though, got to get used to it, as it’s going to become very much a thing, but discussion of it is good!

[MBL?]

It’s a pyramid scheme as far as i can see. Loads of famous people are being paid to market these things. I don’t believe Andy is the sort to do this knowingly but it should be made very clear that this shit is not acceptable.

I don’t think it’s the same as some of the other crypto where it is more organic in how they’ve come about and increased in value to a certain extent.

[Elmo!]

I agree with jepvic’s take really. I mean, the whole thing is daft too me, the concept of buying a link to an image - and the prices some will pay, defo goes down the route of ‘more money than sense’.

But really, I don’t see people shitting on him, they just aren’t impressed with him doing this! I suspect if the was trying to flog some shit, but actually tangible merchandise himself people wouldn’t be raving about that either. The NFT itself is crap, it’s just so rubbish looking, like a cheap Topps trading card.

Like I say though, got to get used to it, as it’s going to become very much a thing, but discussion of it is good!

To be honest, the worst thing about it is he has teamed up with Luke Shaw to do it. 

[Red Raw]

Ta!

I've embedded hundreds of YT videos here and know exactly how to do it.... but wouldn't play for.

How did you get this one to work??

I thought you had.

You missed the 'i_' off when you reformatted the youtube url on this one. Flash frame size was 500,400 too. 

[semit5]

The more I read the more I have no idea what it means so I think ill just ignore it and it’ll pass

[lamad]

While personally I see the NFT business as a load of nonsense, they have been hyped and are with us for now, albeit in a niche marketplace. The thing is that I don't really think this comes from a player's mind: Their agents and pr people probably present them with side business propositions every week and they pick whatever makes the most money (or for any other variable reason). NFTs are presented as hip and scream 'look I am in on the digital revolution'.
The price tags some things have and that are being paid for and shilled for these days makes you shake your head and not just in the case of NFTs: Repeatedly I have read and seen reports about so called water sommeliers and bottles of water that are worth four figure sums because they mix two mineral waters and this tastes oh so cool and edgy.
It's the state of the world, so yeah, makes you roll your eyes and I absolutely think he should get shit for it (and I say this about my favourite current player in our squad). There are worse things to get angry at though, lots of way worse things.

[cipher]

Came to read the Robertson thread and found a lot of...



...decided it was time to...

[MBL?]

You sound like you think NFTs are a good thing or at least not bad? Please explain to us how this is the case?

There seems to be a few people in here coming on to take the piss but no explanation is forthcoming?

[jckliew]

Non Fungible Scottish Engine

[Suareznumber7]

I agree with jepvic’s take really. I mean, the whole thing is daft too me, the concept of buying a link to an image - and the prices some will pay, defo goes down the route of ‘more money than sense’.

But really, I don’t see people shitting on him, they just aren’t impressed with him doing this! I suspect if the was trying to flog some shit, but actually tangible merchandise himself people wouldn’t be raving about that either. The NFT itself is crap, it’s just so rubbish looking, like a cheap Topps trading card.

Like I say though, got to get used to it, as it’s going to become very much a thing, but discussion of it is good!

Really though, what’s the difference between buying a NFT, like the one Robbo has promoted, and a Topps trading card.  I have thousands of baseball cards from the 80’s that are absolutely worthless.  The only difference is that we are now in a digital world. 

[Max_powers]

Really though, what’s the difference between buying a NFT, like the one Robbo has promoted, and a Topps trading card.  I have thousands of baseball cards from the 80’s that are absolutely worthless.  The only difference is that we are now in a digital world.

The main difference is that technically you have nothing. Just a receipt that you bought the card that may or may not exist in 30 years' time. You will likely pay a significant amount more than a Topps card for one of these as well.

The card can be minted by anyone and not just Topps. Trading the card can sometimes (depending on the blockchain) release a family home monthly carbon emission in a few minutes. And the trading card market is rife with blatant art theft, money laundering and scams.

Otherwise, it's exactly the same.

[lamonti]

Can't pretend i really understand this stuff,but to me sounds like buying nothing with nothing.

Except you gave your actual useful money to someone along the way to afford this transaction of nothing for nothing.

[killer-heels]

How do you display this ‘art’ in your home? Do you need one of those digital photo frames?

[Elmo!]

The only defence that seems to be offered for NFTs is "if you don't like them you must be an old man who doesn't understand".

[Elzar]

How do you display this ‘art’ in your home? Do you need one of those digital photo frames?

You get those light up letters and put the link on your fireplace.

[mercurial]

How do you display this ‘art’ in your home? Do you need one of those digital photo frames?

You need an online house.

[Millie]

I still haven't got a clue what these are.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Just Fucking Robertson...

This is slowly turning into "Robertson just fucking". Let's just hope it doesn't end with "Robertson fucking just"

[Topwings!]

I still haven't got a clue what these are.

A jpeg file.

[S]

I still haven't got a clue what these are.

You haven’t spent long enough mining for NFT’s. I’ve just come up from the blockchain mines, 200ft below sea level. I’m covered in corrupt MP3 files and outdated widgets, but you wouldn’t believe the amount of jpegs down there.

[JackWard33]

You sound like you think NFTs are a good thing or at least not bad? Please explain to us how this is the case?

I'm not sure why this is remotely necessary.
Do people also need a justification for posters ... or limited edition trainers ... or panini stickers... or signed jerseys
Man puts things up for sale.... other people buy or don't buy them

Utterly bizarre thread / reaction in this thread
As I posted before if you think players shouldn't sell anything to fans then that's a more understandable position... if you've got a problem with this specific thing to the exclusion of other 'merch' that doesn't stand up

[redgriffin73]

Seen today Mahrez has got involved in something similar on his Instagram, there's a link to a site with several other players involved. Chalobah from memory as well.

[Uncle Ronnie]

A jpeg file.

And it’s actually a URL for a jpeg. And this URL can be removed at anytime and you then lose your jpeg.

But it’s not a scam

[Dench57]

You haven’t spent long enough mining for NFT’s. I’ve just come up from the blockchain mines, 200ft below sea level. I’m covered in corrupt MP3 files and outdated widgets, but you wouldn’t believe the amount of jpegs down there.

I've seen JPEGs you people wouldn't believe

[Ghost Town]

I'm not sure why this is remotely necessary.
Do people also need a justification for posters ... or limited edition trainers ... or panini stickers... or signed jerseys
Man puts things up for sale.... other people buy or don't buy them

Utterly bizarre thread / reaction in this thread
As I posted before if you think players shouldn't sell anything to fans then that's a more understandable position... if you've got a problem with this specific thing to the exclusion of other 'merch' that doesn't stand up

It's mainly the shock of the new. It often happens with new ideas. If NFTs - or rather digital authenticity and conference of unique ownership rights - takes off long term it'll just be seen as a normal part of busness in years to come.

There are some issue with the whole thing, and in a certain moral (rather than legal) sense, people can get scammed quite easily at the moment, but there's a sound idea at the heart of it, esp for digital artists and creatives (in any field of art) which is the angle I come from. I have no interest whatsoever in the pogs and trading cards type aspect of it.

[jepovic]

It's mainly the shock of the new. It often happens with new ideas. If NFTs - or rather digital authenticity and conference of unique ownership rights - takes off long term it'll just be seen as a normal part of busness in years to come.

There are some issue with the whole thing, and in a certain moral (rather than legal) sense, people can get scammed quite easily at the moment, but there's a sound idea at the heart of it, esp for digital artists and creatives (in any field of art) which is the angle I come from. I have no interest whatsoever in the pogs and trading cards type aspect of it.

Maybe you're right, but digital images are so easy to copy that I think the comparison with trading cards is naive.
Not everything can be monetized. You don't pay money for a cooking recipe or a joke, unless it's packaged in a book.
Music used to be easy to monetize, but not anymore.
I think the hype will settle and this will die out.

[afc tukrish]

Not everything can be monetized. You don't pay money for a cooking recipe or a joke, unless it's packaged in a book.

Capon's photoshops: priceless...

[Elmo!]

if you've got a problem with this specific thing to the exclusion of other 'merch' that doesn't stand up

Of course it stands up. NFTs are a token, which contains a URL, which can be removed or changed, which points to a picture, which can be removed or changed, and which you do not own copyright. In this case the image isn't even unique. The only thing you own after buying an NFT is the token itself, which in and of itself is useless.

It's entirely different to real physical merchandise.

[SamLad]

am I right in saying that buying an NFT is essentially the same as buying a photograph of something.