Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[RainbowFlick]

I can certainly see WFH orders taking place for the winter months, makes perfect sense too.  Not pleasant at the best of times sitting next to a snotty nosed individual coughing and sneezing let alone with the pandemic still running rife throughout the country!

bizarre when you look back that we just accepted that a virus would work its way through your team instead of you know... telling a sick person to stay home 

[jonnypb]

From Sky News.  Professors Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van-Tam will hold a news conference at 4pm

Children aged 12 to 15 will be offered a COVID vaccine, the UK's chief medical officers (CMOs) have decided.

England's Professor Chris Whitty said they came to their decision after considering "what effect this will have on transmission in schools and effects on education".

"It's a useful tool to reduce the disruption," he added.

They will be offered a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine and the rollout should begin "as soon as possible", England's deputy CMO Jonathan Van-Tam said.

In its advisory report, the JCVI said the "individual" health benefits from vaccination for children aged 12 to 15 was small.

The risk of potentially serious side effects - including myocarditis - is "very rare, but potentially serious".

[Wabaloolah]

bizarre when you look back that we just accepted that a virus would work its way through your team instead of you know... telling a sick person to stay home 

yep, our place have told those in the office that they are not to come in if they have a cold or anything, whereas before you pretty much were expected to come in unless you were pretty much on your last legs!!

[RainbowFlick]

From Sky News.  Professors Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van-Tam will hold a news conference at 4pm

Children aged 12 to 15 will be offered a COVID vaccine, the UK's chief medical officers (CMOs) have decided.

England's Professor Chris Whitty said they came to their decision after considering "what effect this will have on transmission in schools and effects on education".

"It's a useful tool to reduce the disruption," he added.

They will be offered a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine and the rollout should begin "as soon as possible", England's deputy CMO Jonathan Van-Tam said.

In its advisory report, the JCVI said the "individual" health benefits from vaccination for children aged 12 to 15 was small.

The risk of potentially serious side effects - including myocarditis - is "very rare, but potentially serious".

good, but they've wasted several weeks which could've prevented any disruption during the winter months for these school kids.

[Wabaloolah]

Confirmed that they are offering a single dose

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58547659

[jonnypb]

good, but they've wasted several weeks which could've prevented any disruption during the winter months for these school kids.

I don't think they've wasted several weeks at all, not when they've said benefits to risks in 12-15 old's is marginal and therefore you have to be sure that this is the right thing to do.  They specifically said that vaccinating the kids isn't going to stop the disruption that we've seen in schools.  Schools are still going to need several other measures in place over the winter months to minimise disruption, vaccinating 12-15 year old's will help reduce disruption, but it won't stop it.

[Welshred]

It's also a sensible, evidenced based decision that would have taken time to make due to the myocarditis issues occurring after the second vaccine, only having one hopefully avoids this

[jonnypb]

It's also a sensible, evidenced based decision that would have taken time to make due to the myocarditis issues occurring after the second vaccine, only having one hopefully avoids this

Very true, they’ve said that there won’t be any decision on a second vaccine for 12-15 year olds until next spring at the earliest which gives them a lot more time to research the risks and see what happens with other countries who are vaccinating minors.

[So… Howard Philips]

Covid protection oil. A bargain for £91 including a piece of red yarn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58552316

[Linudden]

Mate, I was once 19 st, I know full fucking well how I got that heavy, eating too much fucking shite and being a lazy c*nt. Amazingly, when I went on a sensible diet and got off my arse and exercised, I lost 4 stone in 4 months.

I understand that there are medical conditions that cause weight issues, but for most, its shit diet and no exercise.

The way my body puts on weight is a frigging joke and still I maintain 65 kg for 170 cm (143 lb to 5'7) but it takes a bit of an effort and above all - just one serious meal per day and really heavy exercise for multiple hours at a time several times per week. Either that failing I'd be weighing a lot more and actually weighed 79 kg (174 lb) when I narrowly mismanaged the amount I was eating and didn't exercise for long enough just four years ago and this was without even eating sugar!

In one month I lost 10 % of my body weight just by taking it seriously. People just need to try and nearly everyone won't become overweight. Even if it means going 10 hours without any food from time to time - it pays off in the long run. For me it's not really a battle - it's just an interesting challenge but I suppose most who have that kind of ease to gain weight eventually just give up which is pretty sad.

If the average weight of any country dropped 5 kg it would've saved so many lives from covid that it's hard to even comprehend.

[Yosser0_0]

yep, our place have told those in the office that they are not to come in if they have a cold or anything, whereas before you pretty much were expected to come in unless you were pretty much on your last legs!!

Yeah for us, a combination of a UK management culture still stuck in the 60s/70s and individuals being 'working class heros' proudly showing off that they can still do their job whilst coughing over everyone.

[BlackandWhitePaul]

Even if it means going 10 hours without any food from time to time - it pays off in the long run.

Piss easy that . . . . . go to bed at midnight, get up at 10am.

[John Higgins]

Ah herd immunity death ghoul is back. How delightful for us all.

Ironic as his return seems to coincide with the U.K. reaching herd immunity threshold for current behaviour patterns. It has only cost us close to 200k peoples lives.

[carling]

Why isn't it right?

I am asking this genuinely, not trying to catch you out or anything, as I am interested to understand your view of it.

What would your opinion be of individual clubs/bars/restaurants/cinemas etc simply deciding to only admit people who had evidence on the NHS app of having been fully vaccinated? They are obviously restricting access to those unvaccinated and saying, "either get it or do one".

Would it be preferable to take it out of the govt hands and have any "No vaccine, no service" rules implemented as simply part of a companies "dress code".

I don't really want to get into a debate into what constitutes 'free' and 'not free', but to me what you describe doesn't sound like a free society.  Sounds too authoritarian which is why I think most (if not all) Western governments will stop short of enforcing it.

[carling]

If the average weight of any country dropped 5 kg it would've saved so many lives from covid that it's hard to even comprehend.

I thought this was the direction the UK was heading in with the govt bike vouchers.  Shame that whole conversation soon fell away.

[TSC]

If the average weight of any country dropped 5 kg it would've saved so many lives from covid that it's hard to even comprehend.

Hard to comprehend because it’s nonsense.  Being overweight is obviously not healthy but the extent of folk dying with ‘underlying health conditions’ is a bit more complex than being overweight.

[carling]

Hard to comprehend because it’s nonsense.  Being overweight is obviously not healthy but the extent of folk dying with ‘underlying health conditions’ is a bit more complex than being overweight.

CDC reckoned approx. 78% of all hospitalised with covid were overweight. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Losing weight seemed like a good thing for governments to incentivise to help fight against covid.

[Welshred]

It's not just as simple as eating less and exercising more for some people though...

[killer-heels]

I thought this was the direction the UK was heading in with the govt bike vouchers.  Shame that whole conversation soon fell away.

Its hardly authoritarian. Its not liked its banned.

[Jm55]

I don't really want to get into a debate into what constitutes 'free' and 'not free', but to me what you describe doesn't sound like a free society.  Sounds too authoritarian which is why I think most (if not all) Western governments will stop short of enforcing it.

I would argue that it’s the definition of ‘free’ as it’s allowing individuals business owners to make their own rules as to who they do and don’t admit into their premises, and as long as the criteria for that doesn’t become xenophobic, racist or sexist then it’s largely fine by me.

I think if the government implemented it you’d have a point (although it was something I was personally in favour of as I think the benefits to higher levels of vaccination outweighs the loss of liberty,) but by all accounts the research suggests that this won’t actually lead to a higher vaccination percentage anyway so fair enough.

[Red-Soldier]

It's not just as simple as eating less and exercising more for some people though...

Yep.  There are often lots of complex social and mental aspects too.

[PaulF]

I thought this was the direction the UK was heading in with the govt bike vouchers.  Shame that whole conversation soon fell away.

Yeah, I think the money went into electric scooter schemes instead.
I like them, think they seem pretty green and handy.
Would rather a good bike infrastructure though.

[thaddeus]

I spoke to my goddaughters (briefly, as it turned out) on Friday about why they wouldn't get the vaccines.  I had prepared quite well thanks to the advice offered on here - more so than I do for most work presentations - but in the end it wasn't really needed.  I think I mentioned in an earlier post that both parents are strongly anti-Tory and run a foodbank in their town.  Well, it seems, that sentiment has passed down to the daughters and the core reason they wouldn't get the vaccine was because of the gloating by the Tories of how the vaccine rollout was going.  They thought their parents had sold out by getting vaccinated.

Of all the possible reasons I had planned for that wasn't one.  In hindsight it really should have been!!  I tried to explain the divide between Public Health England, the NHS and the government and that the government were taking reflective glory just like they had in Euro 2020.  I asked them if they'd throw a football match because the government would try to steal some glory from it and they said they wouldn't.  I also said that our rollout was now pretty ordinary in European terms and that the government were no longer answering every question with a comment about vaccinations because of that.  I was gearing up for a statistical breakdown of the difference two people would make to a % across 65m people but luckily for them said they'd get the vaccine if I'd stop talking 

I thought I may have been fobbed off but their dad sent me a message this morning to say they've booked their first jabs so I'm well happy!

I suppose, like Brexit, there are almost endless reasons why people hold particular views.  Of all the reasons for not getting jabbed a deeply held suspicion of the Tories is probably one of the better ones...

[RainbowFlick]

I spoke to my goddaughters (briefly, as it turned out) on Friday about why they wouldn't get the vaccines.  I had prepared quite well thanks to the advice offered on here - more so than I do for most work presentations - but in the end it wasn't really needed.  I think I mentioned in an earlier post that both parents are strongly anti-Tory and run a foodbank in their town.  Well, it seems, that sentiment has passed down to the daughters and the core reason they wouldn't get the vaccine was because of the gloating by the Tories of how the vaccine rollout was going.  They thought their parents had sold out by getting vaccinated.

Of all the possible reasons I had planned for that wasn't one.  In hindsight it really should have been!!  I tried to explain the divide between Public Health England, the NHS and the government and that the government were taking reflective glory just like they had in Euro 2020.  I asked them if they'd throw a football match because the government would try to steal some glory from it and they said they wouldn't.  I also said that our rollout was now pretty ordinary in European terms and that the government were no longer answering every question with a comment about vaccinations because of that.  I was gearing up for a statistical breakdown of the difference two people would make to a % across 65m people but luckily for them said they'd get the vaccine if I'd stop talking 

I thought I may have been fobbed off but their dad sent me a message this morning to say they've booked their first jabs so I'm well happy!

I suppose, like Brexit, there are almost endless reasons why people hold particular views.  Of all the reasons for not getting jabbed a deeply held suspicion of the Tories is probably one of the better ones...

glad it went ok. i don't think is that uncommon when anti-tory sentiment is wrapped up with general distrust of government.

[Wabaloolah]

Booster jabs for over 50s incoming

A single shot of Pfizer for all even if previously had AZ, at least 6 months after 2nd shot.

Seems like AZ is all but dead in the UK, we need to ship them all out to other countries before they expire


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58552389

[rob1966]

Booster jabs for over 50s incoming

A single shot of Pfizer for all even if previously had AZ, at least 6 months after 2nd shot.

Seems like AZ is all but dead in the UK, we need to ship them all out to other countries before they expire


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58552389

I got my second 22nd May and 6 months ties in with when I would expect to get my flu jab, I got it first week of December last year.

[carling]

I would argue that it’s the definition of ‘free’ as it’s allowing individuals business owners to make their own rules as to who they do and don’t admit into their premises, and as long as the criteria for that doesn’t become xenophobic, racist or sexist then it’s largely fine by me.

I think if the government implemented it you’d have a point (although it was something I was personally in favour of as I think the benefits to higher levels of vaccination outweighs the loss of liberty,) but by all accounts the research suggests that this won’t actually lead to a higher vaccination percentage anyway so fair enough.

So businesses are legally allowed to demand vaccination status and refuse entry for people who don't show it..  Some bars where vaccine is mandatory, some where it isn't.  Same with restaurants etc..

Guess they could try it.  Sounds like a nightmare though.

[carling]

It's not just as simple as eating less and exercising more for some people though...

But it is for most.. just felt worthwhile the govt doing more things like the bike scheme.  Subsidising healthier foods, gym memberships etc.

Probably would have helped more than eat out to help out for example.  Or even the stamp duty holiday.

[Welshred]

But it is for most.. just felt worthwhile the govt doing more things like the bike scheme.  Subsidising healthier foods, gym memberships etc.

Probably would have helped more than eat out to help out for example.  Or even the stamp duty holiday.

Is it? Have you got peer reviewed evidence to support this claim?

[carling]

Is it? Have you got peer reviewed evidence to support this claim?

What, that eating less and exercising more helps most people lose weight?

[Welshred]

What, that eating less and exercising more helps most people lose weight?

Yes. I want evidence that it's that simple for most. Otherwise it's just an unsubstantiated claim. Like has been mentioned by other people there are a load of other factors that go into losing weight other than eating less and exercising more, otherwise everyone would be doing it right? If it was literally that easy.

[carling]

Yes. I want evidence that it's that simple for most. Otherwise it's just an unsubstantiated claim. Like has been mentioned by other people there are a load of other factors that go into losing weight other than eating less and exercising more, otherwise everyone would be doing it right? If it was literally that easy.

Yeah no worries.  I'll find something on how water makes people wet at the same time.

[Jm55]

So businesses are legally allowed to demand vaccination status and refuse entry for people who don't show it..  Some bars where vaccine is mandatory, some where it isn't.  Same with restaurants etc..

Guess they could try it.  Sounds like a nightmare though.

I’m not necessarily saying that I think that should happen, just making the point that it certainly doesn’t go against any prescribed ideals of freedom as far as I’m concerned.

Not sure it would be that hard to implement, it’s pretty easy to get proof of vaccination on your phone and you’re required to show that to get entry. I’ve had to do it already for a festival I went to and it worked fine.

[west_london_red]

JCVI now recommending boosters for over 50’s, and I assume vulnerable and clinically vulnerable.

[ianburns252]

So businesses are legally allowed to demand vaccination status and refuse entry for people who don't show it..  Some bars where vaccine is mandatory, some where it isn't.  Same with restaurants etc..

Guess they could try it.  Sounds like a nightmare though.

Yeah, they are private companies and so long as they are not seen to be acting in a discriminatory manner against certain protected characteristics (of which vaccinations is not one) then my understanding is that they can refuse or allow entry at their discretion.

The key is whether it would be argued as discrimination (in terms of the law rather than personal opinion) and that could cause grief.

[Welshred]

JCVI now recommending boosters for over 50’s, and I assume vulnerable and clinically vulnerable.

Any mention on healthcare workers?

[CheshireDave]

Any mention on healthcare workers?

Who will get the first booster doses?
JCVI chairman Prof Wei Shen Lim outlines who will be first in line for the booster jab:

Older adults living in residential homes
Front-line healthcare and social care workers
All adults ages 50 and over
All those aged 16 to 49 with underlying health conditions
Adult household contacts of immunosupressed individuals

Bbc

[Welshred]

Perfect! Booster here I come!

[west_london_red]

When Professor Shen Lim was speaking he said it would follow the same order as before, which might mean that the clinically vulnerable will be done after 60 year olds rather then after 50 year olds

[west_london_red]

Everyone getting Pfizer with few exceptions for boosters.