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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #40 on: September 1, 2009, 07:52:01 pm »
Saw the interview, feel gutted every time I see him on telly particularly wearing those fascists shirt. It is true Rafa and the whole Juve/Barry thing was very underhand as was him not being allowed to see his baby being born. But I always hoped that our love for him would somehow win the day. No offense to Gerro/Carra but I think for me he was more Liverpool than any other player in the team.
Easy now, lets no go too far. Gerrard and Carra will live and die with Liverpool well past their playing dies.

Remember when we were struggling back in Rafa's 1st season and Shreeves tried to stitch Carra with by getting him to say Liverpool were not a big team?
Come on, nobody is more Liverpool right now than Carra.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #41 on: September 1, 2009, 07:52:35 pm »
even though it now appears that rafa wanted to sell him?
Not after last season?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #42 on: September 1, 2009, 07:53:16 pm »
Fair enough, the only thing I had seen was Rafa indicating that the transfer request Xabi handed in has been too long coming since May.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #43 on: September 1, 2009, 07:54:15 pm »
Don't remember any crap seasons from Xabi, I remember crap seasons for Liverpool as a team but his performance for me was always above par.

By his standards, 06/07 and 07/08 weren't up to scratch.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #44 on: September 1, 2009, 07:54:37 pm »
Last summer when the club proposed that I had to be sold to buy new players it was a difficult moment, but I accepted it as a professional. That moment changed my mind, from that moment it was time for a change.


Another example of how the yanks are putting Rafa under extreme pressure. Alonso was under no restrictions in this interview so you'd assume what he's saying is the truth. He doesn't say Rafa wanted him out, rather that the club had no money to strengthen the squad so instead Rafa has to sell to buy.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #45 on: September 1, 2009, 07:54:39 pm »
The whole thing was badly played by Rafa, although 30 million isn't to be sniffed at I guess.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #46 on: September 1, 2009, 07:55:07 pm »
Easy now, lets no go too far. Gerrard and Carra will live and die with Liverpool well past their playing dies.

Remember when we were struggling back in Rafa's 1st season and Shreeves tried to stitch Carra with by getting him to say Liverpool were not a big team?
Come on, nobody is more Liverpool right now than Carra.

I know, what I was trying to say is that he exemplified the professionalism and attitude as well as skill and passing type of player that for me epitomises the way I want our team to play.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #47 on: September 1, 2009, 07:55:38 pm »
By his standards, 06/07 and 07/08 weren't up to scratch.

he had niggly injuries in that timespan tho didnt he - last few months of 07/08 he was back to his best so that pretty much invalidates the 'he played well last season to get a transfer' argument

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #48 on: September 1, 2009, 07:56:19 pm »
It's a bad year when we lost our two top professionals in the same summer - Sami and Xabi.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #49 on: September 1, 2009, 07:56:32 pm »
If the yanks are not gone come next summer, I think Rafa be going Madrid also to be honest.
He might be saying he's staying, and will fight on, but behind closed doors he must be thinking he's winning a loosing battle. They've really taken the piss big time this time.
If it wasn't bad enough Alonso Leaving, they then take the funds we could have used for a replacement like taking candy from a baby. Its day light robbery.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #50 on: September 1, 2009, 07:57:33 pm »
A true pro. I have no problem with any of the decisions he made as I personally would have done the same if pushed into similar positions.

Shame we lost him. I do feel rafa was at fault but at the same time i guess we will never know if barry could have done better. Aquilani may turn out to be a better player for the team... who knows.

Its over now but I hope Alonso continues to be a great player, he deserves it.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #51 on: September 1, 2009, 07:58:23 pm »
By his standards, 06/07 and 07/08 weren't up to scratch.

He was injured for much of the time and unable to play. We were pretty shit without him. When he did play he was among our best players. It was an act of madness to try and swap him from a mediocrity like Barry.

As, to be fair, most Liverpool supporters knew.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #52 on: September 1, 2009, 07:59:40 pm »
i like the way he said he had to be sold to buy " players " fucking right xabi, you are worth more than one player matey  :wave
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #53 on: September 1, 2009, 08:00:53 pm »
It's a bad year when we lost our two top professionals in the same summer - Sami and Xabi.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #54 on: September 1, 2009, 08:05:18 pm »
I hope you're fishing

Why would he be fishing- is it not true that we lost 2 top professionals  ??? Certainly could have done with them in the last 4 games as well.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #55 on: September 1, 2009, 08:05:45 pm »
I hope you're fishing

Why is that fishing? Its not wrong. We DID lose two top professionals in the same year. I was more gutted when Sami left than I was when Alonso left.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #56 on: September 1, 2009, 08:07:14 pm »
Hyypia our best central defender last year - I cant see Bassong or Davies getting to those balls with Hyypia lurking around. Wish we had offered him a 2 year deal with the gaurantee of regular football. In hindsight with the injury situation, Hyppia would have had a lot of games

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #57 on: September 1, 2009, 08:08:43 pm »
Would of liked to give him a proper send off, i still love the guy even though it kills me to see him in a different shirt...but i'll get over it. We've all seen what a boss lad he was in his time with us!!

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #58 on: September 1, 2009, 08:11:02 pm »
This is a discusion of "if's" for me. What needs to be assessed is would Alonso had such an excellent season if Rafa never threatend to sell him. Similar to players in the past such as Finnan when Benitez first arrived and Benayoun recently have been close to leaving the club but used the situation to improve their performances and prove the manager wrong. What never seems to be asked could Liverpool have even improved if they had Barry last season and not Alonso? Xabi is a player who I addore and someone who I can totally understand his reasons for moving on. One reason he left the club was because of the situation with Rafa, however if he loved the club as much as explained then surely he would have stayed. Good luck to Xabi but as far as am concerned, that's in the past now. Lets see if Alberto Aquilani is as good if not better.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #59 on: September 1, 2009, 08:11:21 pm »
rafa was in the wrong with this situation, no questions. he has a knack of shite people skills. he grates on me a lot and has done for a while, but can see why most love him. i also can't doubt his management skills tho, even the frustrating ones
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #60 on: September 1, 2009, 08:13:25 pm »
Why is that fishing? Its not wrong. We DID lose two top professionals in the same year. I was more gutted when Sami left than I was when Alonso left.
He called them "our two top pros". Clearly wrong

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #61 on: September 1, 2009, 08:16:45 pm »
He called them "our two top pros". Clearly wrong

maybe not "our two top pros", but who can you seriously have put above them in that respect?
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #62 on: September 1, 2009, 08:17:14 pm »
The whole thing was badly played by Rafa...
Hard to escape that realisation really.

...although 30 million isn't to be sniffed at I guess.
I'm sure Hicks and the RBS agree with that sentiment.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #63 on: September 1, 2009, 08:25:46 pm »
maybe not "our two top pros", but who can you seriously have put above them in that respect?
I don't think there's any need to get in a big discussion over this and take the thread off track. The poster said we lost our 2 top pros over the summer, which even the most biased supporter cannot say is truth.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #64 on: September 1, 2009, 08:27:27 pm »
Gareth soddin Barry. Has a player ever caused as much damage to our club, without actually playing for us?

And what do you do about Rafa's mancrush with the Brummie Baraja?

Resulted in us losing a key piece in our quest towards the illusive 19. Would have at least made sense, if he signed for us, but then he saw the cash, and went to City.

Can sympathize with Xabi, but as much as Rafa wanted to sell him last summer, he still wanted to keep him this summer, but Xabi insisted on leaving, leaving the club in it's most important summer, the club whose fans he so dearly loves.

Rafa fucked up, Xabi fucked us, can't do anything about it.

Anyways, wait till Aquilani is playing for us. We won't miss Xabi.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #65 on: September 1, 2009, 08:30:30 pm »
Let's be fair here.

As much as I loved Alonso (notice, past tense) he was a severely limited player. I can understand why Rafa wanted to replace him with a more attack minded CM. Sure, we probably would have won trophies in the short term with Xabi in the next couple of years, but it's clear he didn't fit in with Rafa's long term plan.

Sometimes great leaders have to make big decisions. Sometimes those big decisions cause controversy amongst the followers... but the only judge will be if we win trophies in the next couple of seasons.

Fair play to Rafa here- he's a great leader and he made a big decision.

It's not a big mistake- at least not yet.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #66 on: September 1, 2009, 08:35:55 pm »


I'd say you're going to come in for a fair bit of stick for that but I for one fully agree with it, although I wouldn't call Alonso a severely limited player. Given the constrictions on the budget that Rafa has to work under he had to make a call based upon who was expendable, who was essential, who'd being underpreforming and who would fetch a decent price. There's nobody with bigger balls than Rafa to make a decision like that

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #67 on: September 1, 2009, 08:36:36 pm »
Let's be fair here.

As much as I loved Alonso (notice, past tense) he was a severely limited player. I can understand why Rafa wanted to replace him with a more attack minded CM. Sure, we probably would have won trophies in the short term with Xabi in the next couple of years, but it's clear he didn't fit in with Rafa's long term plan.

Sometimes great leaders have to make big decisions. Sometimes those big decisions cause controversy amongst the followers... but the only judge will be if we win trophies in the next couple of seasons.

Fair play to Rafa here- he's a great leader and he made a big decision.

It's not a big mistake- at least not yet.


One of our biggest problems last year was not enough goal threat coming from the central midfield area. It was either G&T (supplied by incisive passing by Xabi) or out to the wings. This made it easy for lesser teams to stop us, either cut of the wing supply and/or get to Gerrard. The same thing seems to be happening again this year. Thats why I still advocate playing Gerrard in Xabi's place that way we can have an extra attacking player perhaps Yossi/Babel behind the hole supporting Torres and have Gerrards threat from central midfield. I thought that was what would happen, I still don't buy the whole Lucas thing because he's neither an attacking midfielder nor a defensive midfielder.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #68 on: September 1, 2009, 08:40:24 pm »
Let's be fair here.

As much as I loved Alonso (notice, past tense) he was a severely limited player.

Fair play to Rafa here- he's a great leader and he made a big decision.
No offence I normally don't disagree with your posts but I think that's all bollocks. "Severely limited"? Jesus christ, talk about delusion as self-preservation.

As for Rafa making a big decision, again I think you're kidding yourself as the fact remains it was Xabi who took the decision to leave not Rafa. On the contrary Rafa wanted him to stay after this season, that much is crystal clear. But as many of us suspected and the man himself has confirmed in this interview, once Alonso realised that Rafa was prepared to sacrifice him to pursue that bizarre fetish with Barry, that was it, he was playing his last season with us in his own mind.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #69 on: September 1, 2009, 08:40:34 pm »
Managers live and die by the decisions that they make (and by die i mean it can cost them their job). In a year or maybe 2 we will see if this was the correct decision. If it is, great for the club. If it isn't, the knives will be out for Rafa. Thats the nature of the job.

As it is currently though, I stand by the managers decision 110%. When he was here, he was fantastic. As important as Torres, Reina and Gerrard. However, Alonso now means nothing to me. His current interview doesn't make me like him more, make me admire him more, make me respect him more or shed a 'tear'.

What it does make me feel though is an increased desire to play against him and twat him (and the rest of his posse) even more! He is just another rival who I hate (apart from Gourcuff, Iniesta, Villa and Santa Cruz because I love them).
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #70 on: September 1, 2009, 08:41:13 pm »
Let's be fair here.

As much as I loved Alonso (notice, past tense) he was a severely limited player.

That leapt out Baz. If you can point me to where you said that about him when he was still a Red I'll say 'fair play'. Even if it's just in 1 post out of 100s.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #71 on: September 1, 2009, 08:41:19 pm »
I wish he would have given us another year, but can't really expect undying loyalty from a player who we were trying to get rid of last year.

He was my favourite player and I wish him all the best, but it's time to move on.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #72 on: September 1, 2009, 08:41:30 pm »
Weve ended up with egg on our faces, no doubt about it. Rafa wanted to sell xabi to bring in barry, which wouldve been a good move considering theyre pretty much like for like, except obviously rafa preffered barry. As a result of that, xabi left this season, but when Rafa tried to move in for Barry he was gone to man city. The only positive is that rafa manged to get 30 mil from xabi.
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #73 on: September 1, 2009, 08:41:47 pm »
All hail Benitez's man management skills - one of the biggest cock ups since Fergie fucked up with Stam.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #74 on: September 1, 2009, 08:42:22 pm »
Another example of how the yanks are putting Rafa under extreme pressure. Alonso was under no restrictions in this interview so you'd assume what he's saying is the truth. He doesn't say Rafa wanted him out, rather that the club had no money to strengthen the squad so instead Rafa has to sell to buy.


Ha ha!! bloody hell.

So who was it that was willing to pay MORE for Barry than we were selling Xabi for?

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #75 on: September 1, 2009, 08:45:15 pm »
As for Rafa making a big decision, again I think you're kidding yourself as the fact remains it was Xabi who took the decision to leave not Rafa. On the contrary Rafa wanted him to stay after this season, that much is crystal clear.

...Disagree with that. After this summer we learned Rafa didn't want Mascherano to leave under any circumstances.
With Alonso however, Rafa had a price that he'd be willing to accept for him, which is what happened in the end

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #76 on: September 1, 2009, 08:45:43 pm »
Threading old ground.

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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #77 on: September 1, 2009, 08:46:04 pm »
The whole thing was badly played by Rafa, although 30 million isn't to be sniffed at I guess.
was it Rafa or was it Parry/the board refusing the money for Barry - basically forcing Rafa into a sacrifice ?
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #78 on: September 1, 2009, 08:46:21 pm »
So, it DOES come down to bad man-management after all.

How so...why do people forget the fact alonso was below par for 2 years. If after 2 years, he is not cutting it consistently maybe it is time to look for a backup/replacement

Lucas hasn't done much for 2 years, but i don't see him getting the same support as xabi?

The threat of losing his place is what woke alonso up ad kicked his game back into action. Why xabi cant realise this, i dont know. Rafa even joked towards the start of last year "maybe i need to start threatening to sell more players"

Let's be fair here.

As much as I loved Alonso (notice, past tense) he was a severely limited player.


Yep. I pretty much said that too when we were after Barry the first time round
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Re: Xabi Alonso - new interview
« Reply #79 on: September 1, 2009, 08:47:52 pm »
was it Rafa or was it Parry/the board refusing the money for Barry - basically forcing Rafa into a sacrifice ?

Can you blame them? The price was £18m.