Topic: Boxing thread

[Samie]

Joyce get's battered by anyone approaching elite level, so he ain't ready for a world title fight you fucker.,

[Fordy]

He quit for me.

[Welshred]

Exactly people said this about Brook too unless you have been in that place it’s hard to say what you’d do.

I think this is exactly the same as Haye v Thompson back in the day.

I’ll say it now Dubois will win a world title and Joyce wont

Dubois won't win a world title eating jabs like that

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Haye would never quit would he 

[Samie]

He quit for me.

Ask your mate Kell how that eye socket damaged his career at elite level competition.

[duvva 💅]

Exactly people said this about Brook too unless you have been in that place it’s hard to say what you’d do.

I think this is exactly the same as Haye v Thompson back in the day.

I’ll say it now Dubois will win a world title and Joyce wont

As I said it’s not something you say lightly about someone brave enough to get in the ring, but in pure boxing terms there he’s quit, he wasn’t put in big trouble by that shot, he decided he’d had enough. Never gonna win a world title with that mentality in boxing

[cornishscouser92]

Haye would never quit would he 

In all fairness, Haye didn't quit against Bellew with a torn achilles when he really didn't need to carry on.

[gazzalfc]

The criticism is a bit harsh. Says the man that quit with a broken toe

You try to do anything with an eyepatch glued to your face.

Dubois was probably the better and powerful fighter but Joyce was able to hurt Dubois and it showed

[Welshred]

As I said it’s not something you say lightly about someone brave enough to get in the ring, but in pure boxing terms there he’s quit, he wasn’t put in big trouble by that shot, he decided he’d had enough. Never gonna win a world title with that mentality in boxing

Just said he couldn't see out of the eye I'd that he was in big trouble if he can't see whats coming at him

[L4Red]

He quit for me.

Not often I would agree with you on this thread but you're spot on here.

[Rouge]

Dubois won't win a world title eating jabs like that

This!

[Legs]

Joyce is too old, hardly groundbreaking stuff this

No it’s not but it’s all this quit shit I mean you got conman Haye saying it bad toe and was injured in both fights before Belles and conned the public.

[duvva 💅]

Just said he couldn't see out of the eye I'd that he was in big trouble if he can't see whats coming at him

I do get that but that’s the difference between those who have the will and the heart to go all the way.

[Legs]

As I said it’s not something you say lightly about someone brave enough to get in the ring, but in pure boxing terms there he’s quit, he wasn’t put in big trouble by that shot, he decided he’d had enough. Never gonna win a world title with that mentality in boxing

Depends how bad the eye is I guess he was injured there.

I know what people say about boxing terms it’s quiting but imo it’s not too many idiots spout this crap nowadays NO boxer is really a quitter you get in the ring you have bollocks

[B0151?]

No it’s not but it’s all this quit shit I mean you got conman Haye saying it bad toe and was injured in both fights before Belles and conned the public.

Making excuses for losing and quitting are different things I'd say though to be honest. A lot of boxers do the first

I'm not blaming him like. I reckon his team deserve responsibility, Joyce was too early

[L4Red]

No it’s not but it’s all this quit shit I mean you got conman Haye saying it bad toe and was injured in both fights before Belles and conned the public.

I agree with you about Haye but Dubois quit tonight

[I've been a good boy]

Not sure what the future holds for these two. Joyce entered boxing far too late and possibly missed his prime, and Dubois might end up being damaged goods if he doesn't have the improve on tonights showing.

The pace of that fight was brutal, I reckon Tyson and Jones Jr will display better speed than Joyce tonight.

[Welshred]

I do get that but that’s the difference between those who have the will and the heart to go all the way.

He's an orthodox fighter, his left eye is his leading one, having heart when you can't see whats coming at you at heavyweight is bollocks and the sooner people move away from that attitude the better. Punches that hard can kill you, especially if you've got no way of avoiding then. He quite but he was right to quit because with 3 rounds to go he could have done a lot of extra damage to that eye.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

I do get that but that’s the difference between those who have the will and the heart to go all the way.

The likes of Duran and Tzszyu quit out of fights as well to be fair.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It's a shame because the ref would've definitely taken him over to the Dr. after that shot & it would have been stopped.

[Lusty]

Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.

[momo22]

True for normal people, but when you’re a professional boxer you have to be prepared to go to the very edge with stuff like that.

I understand what you're saying mate, but sometimes being professional means being smart, right now we don't know how bad the eye is.

[duvva 💅]

He's an orthodox fighter, his left eye is his leading one, having heart when you can't see whats coming at you at heavyweight is bollocks and the sooner people move away from that attitude the better. Punches that hard can kill you, especially if you've got no way of avoiding then. He quite but he was right to quit because with 3 rounds to go he could have done a lot of extra damage to that eye.

As I say I do get what your saying but it’s not bollocks in boxing terms, you either have that heart and mentality to go through things normal people wouldn’t or you don’t. In boxing you do have to go through that or you ain’t getting anywhere near the top.

[B0151?]

I wonder if he'd have fought through it if there was a crowd there

[momo22]

Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.

Yeah he's ideal for Usyk, he hasn't got anything to trouble him really, cept for size I suppose.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

So do we know what time the circus ring walk is ?

[cornishscouser92]

DDD corner were awful too, sounded like cheerleaders every round.

Looked to me Dubois had 2/3 big attacks in his gas tank, didn't get Joyce out of there and effectively was running on nothing.

[duvva 💅]

The likes of Duran and Tzszyu quit out of fights as well to be fair.

I thought about No Mas as well there but Duran had already proven he had what it takes and proved it again afterwards. That was a different type of quit but he was absolutely slaughtered for it at the time

[L4Red]

Still don't rate Joyce at all. The big names at HW will make mincemeat of him. He's not getting a title shot any time soon anyway so not really sure what he does at his age?

Usyk has got bigger fish to fry, but that would make sense. If I were him I'd try and get a rematch in front of fans and make a few quid while he can.

He's mid 30s and ponderous as fuck, he's not winning a world title. Cash out if I was him

[Sammy5IsAlive]

To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.

[L4Red]

To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.

For me its 100% his heart, he quit tonight against a fella that was a great amateur

[Welshred]

To be honest for me the worries with Dubois now are not so much about his heart but about his stamina and that as far as I can tell his eye ended up with so much damage despite there not being any obvious power shots onto it/clashes of heads etc.

This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

[garumn]

Say what you want, that is one of the best uses of the jab I have seen in while.

[L4Red]

This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

And also the complete lack of head movement by Dubois

[bornandbRED]

This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

I agree with what you’re saying to an extent, but there’s a heightened risk of serious injury every time someone steps into the ring. The very best fighters are the ones who will go and play right at the edge.. whether that’s right or whether it’s fair to criticise someone for stepping back from that edge is a difficult one to decide. Boxing is a brutal, brutal sport.

[Samie]

So do we know what time the circus ring walk is ?

Anytime after 4. 

[Sammy5IsAlive]

I thought about No Mas as well there but Duran had already proven he had what it takes and proved it again afterwards. That was a different type of quit but he was absolutely slaughtered for it at the time

Oh yeah, and the Tzszyu one was different as well given that Hatton had dragged him to the point of total exhaustion. But the general point still stands that it is pretty simplistic to just say that 'great fighters never quit'.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

This underestimates just how much damage repeatedly being hit by a good, strong jab can be.

Yeah of course - they are heavyweight boxers. But to be honest as good a job Joyce did tonight if Dubois comes back and starts moving up in levels again over the next few years that eye is going to get hit harder and with more regularity by better boxers than Joyce. If it's already gone at this stage in his career then it's a major worry for him I think.

[Clayton Bigsby]

It's a shame because the ref would've definitely taken him over to the Dr. after that shot & it would have been stopped.

The corner should have pulled him out previous round or at least threw in the towel.

He has to.protect himself first and foremost but it is never a good look to fold at your first gut check.

Forgetting the quit talk for a minute, what does Dubois have at elite level. His power is not elite, nor is his speed, skill, jab, defence, stamina or footwork.

Frank is gonna have to build him up with proper tests if he is to advance him. I'm.not sure he comes back from.this properly

[Clayton Bigsby]

Frank Warren was so pissed. Probs thinking wtf he gonna do with Joyce