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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #120 on: October 22, 2008, 04:20:07 pm »
Never understand why people say he was frustrating. I don't find loads of goals and assists frustrating at all.

Can't agree that we have better players on our bench now either, or sometimes in the team - I'd have him back over wingers and forwards like Yossi, El Zhar, N'Gog and Pennant in a heartbeat.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2008, 04:34:12 pm »
Never understand why people say he was frustrating. I don't find loads of goals and assists frustrating at all.

Can't agree that we have better players on our bench now either, or sometimes in the team - I'd have him back over wingers and forwards like Yossi, El Zhar, N'Gog and Pennant in a heartbeat.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #122 on: October 22, 2008, 04:56:52 pm »
Never understand why people say he was frustrating. I don't find loads of goals and assists frustrating at all.

Can't agree that we have better players on our bench now either, or sometimes in the team - I'd have him back over wingers and forwards like Yossi, El Zhar, N'Gog and Pennant in a heartbeat.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #123 on: October 22, 2008, 06:22:36 pm »
Says so much about a player, when... we, flying higher then we have in many years. Still want the guy back, regardless.

It's because his heart is here, if we ever won the League... wouldn't you love Luis to share in the joy?

Bring back Luis :(
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #124 on: October 22, 2008, 08:35:02 pm »
Not forgetting what he did for us and all, but Luis has been such a annoying little complainer tonight

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #125 on: October 22, 2008, 08:39:47 pm »
Not forgetting what he did for us and all, but Luis has been such a annoying little complainer tonight

Yeah and he didn't do that for us. He was completely different. (sarcasm) People have to understand something called bias. I love him, but he has always gone down easier than others. It's just his style of play. Still love him to bits.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #126 on: October 22, 2008, 08:45:11 pm »

Diving twat.
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #127 on: October 22, 2008, 10:32:49 pm »
Diving twat.

Riera did not dive.. :P
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #128 on: October 22, 2008, 10:34:30 pm »
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2008, 10:35:43 pm »
After that guff in the paper about not knowing if he could celebrate against us, it's a bit fucking rich to throw in a dive or 2 tonight  ::) Ahhh well....
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2008, 10:40:06 pm »
Riera did not dive.. :P

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #131 on: October 22, 2008, 10:45:19 pm »
garcia was frustrating. i don't care if he scored 30 goals a season, nothing would change that fact. misplacing short pass after short pass is unforgivable. in fact, the fact that he could score sublime goals makes him giving the ball away every finve minutes even more frustrating.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #132 on: October 22, 2008, 10:58:51 pm »
garcia was frustrating. i don't care if he scored 30 goals a season, nothing would change that fact. misplacing short pass after short pass is unforgivable. in fact, the fact that he could score sublime goals makes him giving the ball away every finve minutes even more frustrating.

It's not a fact, it's an opinion and a misguided one at that. He didn't frustrate me, because he he never did misplace short pass after short pass, or give the ball away every five minutes. He tried to create opportunities, both for himself and others. When it didn't work he never let his head drop, he just tried again. And when he did give the ball away two or three times, chances were on the fourth occasion he would assist or score a goal.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #133 on: October 22, 2008, 11:01:50 pm »
Diving Shithouse

Aye lad, whens the remix coming out?

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #134 on: October 22, 2008, 11:02:00 pm »
As much as I like Luis.. Seeing as he was instrumental in our acquiring Torres, I think we got the long end of the stick on this one.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2008, 11:04:17 pm »
it is a fact because 40,000 people were heard loud and clear, every week as they groaned with frustration when he gave it away. if that's not proof that people were frustrated with him at times, i don't know what is.

i think you're just assuming that because i think he was frustrating, i automatically think he was crap. i don't, i think he's a great player, and have a lot of time for players who do what he do. look for gaps, play between the lines and create opportunities. i'd have him back here in fact.

but it was the needlessly giving the ball away in his own half that frustrated me. moments where he wasn't being 'creative', moments where he was simply careless with the ball. if you don't think they came too often with luis, fair enough, but that's a different player than the one i remember.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #136 on: October 22, 2008, 11:34:26 pm »
Too many games like today is why rafa got rid
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2008, 11:37:32 pm »
Was an embarrassment to himself tonight the way he was going down.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2008, 11:38:54 pm »
would be a bit rich of us to knock him for diving now when he was doing it for us not long ago.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #139 on: October 22, 2008, 11:39:54 pm »
Too many games like today is why rafa got rid
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2008, 01:36:53 am »
Luis en mi cabeza y mi corazon.

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Gracias Luis por todos.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2008, 01:41:08 am »
A great, tricky player when he played for us, who always stepped up during big games. Considering how he has struggled to get into Aguirre's starting eleven since moving to Madrid, I thought he would have looked to have made more of an impact tonight. I wasn't really surprised when came off at half-time. Despite the wonderful player he was, his diving tonight was nothing short of embarrassing.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2008, 01:59:12 am »
Diving Shithouse

The lad deserves far, far more respect than that. Small minds have short memories.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2008, 02:59:39 am »
The lad deserves far, far more respect than that. Small minds have short memories.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #144 on: October 23, 2008, 04:30:01 am »
The lad deserves far, far more respect than that. Small minds have short memories.



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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #145 on: October 23, 2008, 06:57:44 am »
would be a bit rich of us to knock him for diving now when he was doing it for us not long ago.

its called doing a "Maurinho" ;D
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #146 on: October 23, 2008, 10:24:09 am »
it is a fact because 40,000 people were heard loud and clear, every week as they groaned with frustration when he gave it away. if that's not proof that people were frustrated with him at times, i don't know what is.

i think you're just assuming that because i think he was frustrating, i automatically think he was crap. i don't, i think he's a great player, and have a lot of time for players who do what he do. look for gaps, play between the lines and create opportunities. i'd have him back here in fact.

but it was the needlessly giving the ball away in his own half that frustrated me. moments where he wasn't being 'creative', moments where he was simply careless with the ball. if you don't think they came too often with luis, fair enough, but that's a different player than the one i remember.

Bollocks. Some people moaned, but just as many others with more sense got on with supporting the team and singing his name.

As for the bit I've highlighted in bold, that is a pure myth. When he first came to England, his first six months, we saw poor passes from him around the halfway line and in our half occasionally. But throughout his Liverpool career the majority of times Luis gave the ball away it was in the final third trying to create or score a goal.

If he gave the ball away so often, how come there is no evidence of a single occasion when Luis gave the ball away and it led to an opposition goal?

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #147 on: October 23, 2008, 10:27:20 am »
I think you done well to get rid. I think you'll struggle to find at Aletico fan that actually likes him. He's been by and large very poor for them.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #148 on: October 23, 2008, 10:41:25 am »
Luis en mi cabeza y mi corazon.

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Gracias Luis por todos.

Te olvido nunca.

Sure we can always be grateful for Luis, cause he was important for us for a long time, but last night he was way off, diving like that. He looked kinda desperate at times, not sure what was up with him, because that's definitely not how I remember him in Liverpool.
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #149 on: October 23, 2008, 10:58:46 am »
He seemed way off form yesterday and he did nothing concrete all game. I didn't even see him complete a pass personally ???. Used to love him here and based on his time here I wouldn't have sold him. Bringing him on for the last half hour against lesser teams would win you games.
p.s. he did look a lot older than i remember him yesterday!

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #150 on: October 23, 2008, 12:12:25 pm »
The lad deserves far, far more respect than that. Small minds have short memories.



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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #151 on: October 23, 2008, 12:18:29 pm »
The lad deserves far, far more respect than that. Small minds have short memories.



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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #152 on: October 23, 2008, 12:26:44 pm »
I wouldnt want to have that much of a go at Garcia, again remembering what he did for us and how crucial he and his goals were in one of our greatest glory's ever.

However I did find the diving and feigning injury a bit annoying yesterday. The thing was it was quite desperate at times. He didnt even dive in dangerous areas, like the penalty box, but instead out wide or near the centre circle, which really he didnt have to do.

I guess we can say he did that with us as well, but after all the talk about how he could not celebrate against us if he scored, I would have thought that the same level of respect would have been carried over in how he behaves, surely footballers are aware of this, despite being in the heat of the moment.

But then again, maybe im being harsh. Being as he was taken off at half time, maybe he was a bit desperate and wanting to impress (by that i mean getting the advantage and creating dangerous free kicks,set pieces) the manager.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #153 on: October 23, 2008, 12:48:22 pm »
would be a bit rich of us to knock him for diving now when he was doing it for us not long ago.

Reminds me of a quote in yesterday's Mirror when Mourinho was slagging off Drogba (& Ronaldo, Torres and Van Persie) for going down too easily. He said Drogba was the number 1 diving culprit, through I dont remember him objecting to it when he (Maureen) was in charge of Chelsea.
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #154 on: October 23, 2008, 12:56:02 pm »
If he gave the ball away so often, how come there is no evidence of a single occasion when Luis gave the ball away and it led to an opposition goal?

Totally agree with you thet Garcia was brilliant for us, and deserves a place in our Pantheon, but I seem to remember a game at Anfield against Fulham in which he gave the ball away on half way and lead directly to a goal, scored I believe by Andy Cole. Kind of takes the edge of those goals against Chelsea, though  ;)
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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #155 on: October 23, 2008, 01:06:56 pm »
so what if it didn't lead to a many goals conceded? giving away possession, costing us momentum and putting us on the backfoot can be just as bad. and the reason him giving it away didn't directly cost us is because our defence has been so sound.

the worst one i ever seen was in the chelsea semi when he gave the ball away by our area with about ten minutes to go. fortunately it didn't lead to a goal, but if it would have, bye bye istanbul.

thankfully, he was the main reason we got there, so i can't really knock him, but i still have clear memories of him giving away far too much possession in key areas.

at the end of the day, if he was the player you described, rafa wouldn't have let him go. he had his shortcomings, which most people (despite his obvious benefits) can acknowledge. to deny this is just pure revisionist.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #156 on: October 23, 2008, 02:50:34 pm »
so what if it didn't lead to a many goals conceded? giving away possession, costing us momentum and putting us on the backfoot can be just as bad. and the reason him giving it away didn't directly cost us is because our defence has been so sound.

the worst one i ever seen was in the chelsea semi when he gave the ball away by our area with about ten minutes to go. fortunately it didn't lead to a goal, but if it would have, bye bye istanbul.

thankfully, he was the main reason we got there, so i can't really knock him, but i still have clear memories of him giving away far too much possession in key areas.

at the end of the day, if he was the player you described, rafa wouldn't have let him go. he had his shortcomings, which most people (despite his obvious benefits) can acknowledge. to deny this is just pure revisionist.

If it didn't lead to goals conceded then it's not that important.

I don't recall that instance against Chelsea.

At the end of the day he was the player I have described and Rafa didn't want him to go. He returned to Spain for personal reasons, his wife hadn't settled here and he wanted to end his career in Spain. The Torres transfer made sense to both parties so Rafa reluctantly let him go. He had his shortcomings, but they were far outweighed by the positives. To deny this is just pure revisionist  ;)

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #157 on: October 23, 2008, 02:56:21 pm »
Totally agree with you thet Garcia was brilliant for us, and deserves a place in our Pantheon, but I seem to remember a game at Anfield against Fulham in which he gave the ball away on half way and lead directly to a goal, scored I believe by Andy Cole. Kind of takes the edge of those goals against Chelsea, though  ;)

Ha ha maybe there was one... I'll have a look - was it the one in February 2005, when we beat them 3-1? Just checked: Garcia set up Morientes for our first goal early on, but then made a mistake which Lee Clark pounced upon and played in Boa Mortes, who crossed for a diving header for Cole. I stand corrected - one time he gave the ball away and it cost us! Burn him!

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #158 on: October 23, 2008, 03:02:14 pm »
Diving twat.

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Re: Luis Garcia - Top Bloke
« Reply #159 on: October 23, 2008, 03:23:02 pm »
garcia was frustrating. i don't care if he scored 30 goals a season, nothing would change that fact. misplacing short pass after short pass is unforgivable. in fact, the fact that he could score sublime goals makes him giving the ball away every finve minutes even more frustrating.

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