Topic: FA Cup: Wolves 2 v Liverpool 1 Jimenez ‘37 Neves ‘55 Origi ‘50

[Cormack Snr]

Really pissed off today with losing again for the second time in a week. The FA cup final was the best day of the year once upon a time. If the extra rest comes good later on in the season it will be a price to pay but not taking the cup serious is becoming the norm.

[Tony19:6]

Can someone summarise the 27 pages please? Cant sift through it all. I’m sure theres plenty of optimism, still.

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Really pissed off today with losing again for the second time in a week. The FA cup final was the best day of the year once upon a time. If the extra rest comes good later on in the season it will be a price to pay but not taking the cup serious is becoming the norm.

We took it seriously last January and we were beaten by a side that ended up being relegated, at Anfield

[CHOPPER]

Really pissed off today with losing again for the second time in a week. The FA cup final was the best day of the year once upon a time. If the extra rest comes good later on in the season it will be a price to pay but not taking the cup serious is becoming the norm.

To be fair I think we do take it serious, just not as serious as other tournamntes.

The 'Cup'... 'used' to be the second biggest thing for 99% of the league, now, not even in just the prem, if you offered a cup win or a promotion to the 10 of the top teams in the championship, I bet opinions opinions would be divided to varying levels.
Additionally, the FA have changed it around for a number of years now, this year no replays at some point and year on year, not just the clubs, but the FA are changing it, to suit and work around the 'bigger' teams and I guess in some cases England as well, even if they wouldn't like to admit it.

Its a shitter to say it, bu the FA cup, to me and maybe many others, just doesn't have the appeal as it used to and to the point of it being not much greater a draw, though still bigger, than the Carabou,Milk Rumbelows, Worthingtons, Capital One - cup.

[classycarra]

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

Not all heroes wear suits. Thank you for your service

[deFacto please, you bastards]

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

Exaggerate much? I understand your frustration but no one was on here saying that we were going to win the league because we're out now.

[Cheesehead]

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

I feel your pain mate. It’s sad.

[Tony19:6]

Exaggerate much? I understand your frustration but no one was on here saying that we were going to win the league because we're out now.

FFS! it was tongue in cheek

[Tony19:6]

Not all heroes wear suits. Thank you for your service

Says the guy with the most ironic username

[deFacto please, you bastards]

FFS! it was tongue in cheek

Mate it's hard to tell on here it really is

[jillcwhomever]

Maybe a good time to concentrate on the next league game, feels like we're going around in circles now...

[classycarra]

Says the guy with the most ironic username

Don't worry, it's definitely not about me

[Tony19:6]

Mate it's hard to tell on here it really is

I was honestly trying to lighten the mood but I do agree, the amount of angry people on here last night seemed a new low for RAWK (on both sides of the argument)

In hindsight I wish Id have stayed away personally but got caught up in the moment.

[Tony19:6]

Don't worry, it's definitely not about me

No worries

[Smellytrabs]

I was honestly trying to lighten the mood but I do agree, the amount of angry people on here last night seemed a new low for RAWK (on both sides of the argument)

In hindsight I wish Id have stayed away personally but got caught up in the moment.

I thought it was nice to see personally. These days people don't seem take threads about not taking the FA Cup as seriously as we used to as seriously as we used to.

[Tony19:6]

I thought it was nice to see personally. These days people don't seem take threads about not taking the FA Cup as seriously as we used to as seriously as we used to.

Hmmm dont like reds attacking other reds personally (Ok maybe with a few exceptions  )

[Red_Mist]

Maybe a good time to concentrate on the next league game

Abso friggin lutely.

[hesbighesred]

I don't understand that, hbhr - what do you mean by"too pacy"

Sorry, that was bizarre. What I meant to say is that we have pace dominance covered by both Gomez and VVD, so it seems unlikely to me that we'd break the bank for physical dominance in terms of pace. It seems likelier to me that we'd rather go for aerial dominance to give is both more diversity and real cover for VVD. Does that make more sense now?

[hesbighesred]

Shearer tends to be much better on MOTD than at half time of live games, when he's not much better - clichιs, passion, individuals - than someone like Ince (who is genuinely terrible). Which suggests his MOTD stuff may be largely provided by analysts and researchers. Maybe it's PoP writing his MOTD lines for him .

If that we're true it'd be all the more reason to cut out the middleman, I mean it's not like the brick headed fucker is good looking or anything.

I mean Shearer, obviously, not Pop. I've no idea what sort of building implement Pop's head resembles, if any at all.

[hesbighesred]

I assumed ‘pricey’.....

Actually that was almost certainly it, simple phone autocorrect mistake. Hahaha! Misinterpreting my own post is a new one, hahahaha!

[PhaseOfPlay]

If that we're true it'd be all the more reason to cut out the middleman, I mean it's not like the brick headed fucker is good looking or anything.

I mean Shearer, obviously, not Pop. I've no idea what sort of building implement Pop's head resembles, if any at all.

Soup box. Like one of those that has the packets of soup in the shop.

[El Lobo]

If that we're true it'd be all the more reason to cut out the middleman, I mean it's not like the brick headed fucker is good looking or anything.

I mean Shearer, obviously, not Pop. I've no idea what sort of building implement Pop's head resembles, if any at all.

Chiseled, like Mount Rushmore

[Benimar Col]

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

after a third consequitive year of capitulation of the FA Cup by Jόrgen Klopp, we need to make this sacrifice justifiable, it’s very disappointing when you’ve grown up with Sir Bob, Joe and Kenny at the helm when dedicated attack on the League Cup and FA Cup was nailed on.

we do have the perfect opportunity to press on and open up a 7 point lead on Saturday, we have to do it now otherwise we get sucked back in, City having another 3 games at least to us is a bonus, long may they progress and their fixtures and injuries increase.

time to deliver what the fans want most Jόrgen 🏆 and not necessarily want the owners want 💷💷💷

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

The fact that Shearer is paid not just money, but fucking huge sums of it, in exchange for his ability to talk (even if it is about football) is absolute and concrete proof that we are not in any way living in a meritocratic society. I don't necessarily hate him, but I do genuinely think it's disgusting that our national broadcaster sees fit to use ordinary people's money in order to enrich ex-footballers, rather than taking a gamble and actually hiring people who can talk about it in an interesting way.

Imagine people like BabaYagu and PoP having 5 minutes to analyse a game. Are you really telling me the ratings would go down? Who the fuck tunes in for, or even slightly enjoys, the absolute dogshit the usual pundits spout? People come to watch their team and then generally shout at the pundits. Who knows? You might actually end up with a program that, yer know, informs, educates and entertains. Now where did I hear those three things before? They seem familiar somehow.

I couldn't agree more and think they need to be accountable for those decisions and the cost of them. I wonder they actually bother researching whether people would still watch if the expensive ex-pro pundits were not there?

As you mention, with the explosion of fan driven media, there's a new group of people that can talk fairly and intelligently about their own and other clubs. I'm not totally anti ex-pro, and feel that there's a load of untapped potential talent in the lower reaches of the game that could add something different - people that know the game and could do with the money rather than an already rich high profile player topping up his pension. If that's too radical for the BBC, they could start by insisting that the current crop actually demonstrate some research rather than resorting to cliches and narratives, and don' contradict themselves from week to week because some of what they come out with is an insult to the intelligence.

[Mutton Geoff]

Seems to me amongst the same people ripping into Klopp last night were the ones that ripped into Kenny for having the nerve to win a cup and come seventh, so i guess they may have wanted it both ways yet again,

as for the side picked on paper they should have had enough to win or at least draw, but for the post Shaqiri would have equalised with his sublime free kick but it didnt happen so que sara sara.

One or two annoyed me Danny looked way out of sorts and for me never put in a shift or broke sweat last night and that pass from Moreno for their first goal was a hospital pass for Milner he passed to a guy on his own with two guys right on him, bloody schoolboy error and he moans about not being in the first team. Still dont think Keita know where he fits in our system the quality is there it just needs channeling into the framework.

Massive plus was the showing of the youngsters especially the 16 year old Dutch lad what a future prospect he is a real diamond of a player, maturity way beyond his years on last nights performance.

As for Shearer he talks shit always has always will,  he repeats the same stupid comments all the time,  including lasts night totally disgraceful insult to our players when he said some of them didnt want to win the game what a thing to accuse professional footballers off doing, the man is a total thick bastard.

[Hazell]

As for Shearer he talks shit always has always will

Been listening to a lot of Phoebe Bridgers recently?

[Mutton Geoff]

Been listening to a lot of Phoebe Bridgers recently?

WTF is that meant to be ?

[Yosser0_0]

Thought Milner and Fabinho played well, Shaqiri and Origi started slowly but improved and looked good by the end. The young lads did fine as well.

Mignolet and Moreno were poor, but I've seen enough of them to not be surprised about that, Sturridge was also poor.

The big concern for me was the performance of Naby Keοta, he is supposed to be an established player, cost a lot of money and we're expecting him to be one of our key players in the next few years. He should have been running the show last night, very disappointing and concerning. 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

We were right to make 10 changes
Loads of people dont give a shit we lost
We should put the first XI in glass cases for the rest of the season in case they break a fingernail
Oh and some of us (the minority it seems) wanted to win
But apparently this means were now nailed on to win the league.

Seriously, it was like a fcukin Brexit debate in here last night.

Taking it you'll be too gutted to watch our game at the weekend then?

[Robinred]

Seems to me amongst the same people ripping into Klopp last night were the ones that ripped into Kenny for having the nerve to win a cup and come seventh, so i guess they may have wanted it both ways yet again,

as for the side picked on paper they should have had enough to win or at least draw, but for the post Shaqiri would have equalised with his sublime free kick but it didnt happen so que sara sara.

One or two annoyed me Danny looked way out of sorts and for me never put in a shift or broke sweat last night and that pass from Moreno for their first goal was a hospital pass for Milner he passed to a guy on his own with two guys right on him, bloody schoolboy error and he moans about not being in the first team. Still dont think Keita know where he fits in our system the quality is there it just needs channeling into the framework.

Massive plus was the showing of the youngsters especially the 16 year old Dutch lad what a future prospect he is a real diamond of a player, maturity way beyond his years on last nights performance.

As for Shearer he talks shit always has always will,  he repeats the same stupid comments all the time,  including lasts night totally disgraceful insult to our players when he said some of them didnt want to win the game what a thing to accuse professional footballers off doing, the man is a total thick bastard.

Agree with all of that, and HBHR’s post. The obscene amounts ex pros get paid on all the TV channels is testament to the wider truth that the world is a very unequal place right now. Someone posted earlier that the utopian notion of a meritocracy is as far away as ever. The idea of ‘famous for being famous’ has never been more apt. That the Beeb should be complicit in perpetuating the cult of the undeserving celeb is doubly hard to take. I’ll just mention Jeremy Clarkson, to add to Shearer and of recent memory, Garth Crooks.

The mind truly boggles.

[Tony19:6]

Taking it you'll be too gutted to watch our game at the weekend then?

I honestly despair 

[killer-heels]

Mignolet.

[ghalied]

I'm gutted we're out. The early stages of the FA Cup is a good opportunity to give our squad a chance to push the starting players even more, for players coming back from injury to play themselves back into form and for youngsters to be given a run. I don't get a chance to watch youth games so I love seeing all the faces I only read about. The Premier League is so tight nowadays that its difficult to slowly introduce players. Hopefully our squad gets stronger so that even our second string can win competitive games - anything other than Premier sides playing their stronger line-ups and we're already strong enough.

[Mighty_Red]

To be fair I think we do take it serious, just not as serious as other tournamntes.

The 'Cup'... 'used' to be the second biggest thing for 99% of the league, now, not even in just the prem, if you offered a cup win or a promotion to the 10 of the top teams in the championship, I bet opinions opinions would be divided to varying levels.
Additionally, the FA have changed it around for a number of years now, this year no replays at some point and year on year, not just the clubs, but the FA are changing it, to suit and work around the 'bigger' teams and I guess in some cases England as well, even if they wouldn't like to admit it.

Its a shitter to say it, bu the FA cup, to me and maybe many others, just doesn't have the appeal as it used to and to the point of it being not much greater a draw, though still bigger, than the Carabou,Milk Rumbelows, Worthingtons, Capital One - cup.

I know the narrative has been that the big clubs don't value the FA Cup anymore, but the reality is that even it is isn't valued as much, Utd, Chelsea & Arsenal have held a monopoly on the cup in the last 25 years with us winning a couple and a handful for the rest

I think the biggest problem in recent years has been the fact that the mid-table clubs are giving up on both cups way too easily. Think how many mid-table teams used to win the FA cup during the 60s, 70s and 80s. Even when we were winning the league we didn't collect it anywhere near as often with 2 coming when Europe was no longer on the table.

One thing that would help would be a min 6 days gap before FA Cup weekend, as they may find these clubs are then able to play slightly stronger teams.

[Indomitable_Carp]

One thing that would help would be a min 6 days gap before FA Cup weekend, as they may find these clubs are then able to play slightly stronger teams.

It's a tricky one. I think we'd have to sack off the League Cup as well. And then do something to market the FA Cup overseas a bit more for TV rights so there is more money in it for the winning the team. There must be a way.

[Mighty_Red]

It's a tricky one. I think we'd have to sack off the League Cup as well. And then do something to market the FA Cup overseas a bit more for TV rights so there is more money in it for the winning the team. There must be a way.

Overseas could have an impact. I've been in India many times around the time of the league cup final and often, despite the final featuring 2 prem teams (e.g. us v City) it doesn't feel like its been promoted as much as the equivalent league fixture would be. Now I know there's a difference in value between the FA Cup and the League Cup but I think it still highlights the prestige (or lack of it) of the competition.

If it comes to purely to money, you could offer a much bigger prize though that may still not be enough. After all, the clubs love the idea of guaranteed revenues (like the CL group stages) not potential ones (i.e. winning).

[PhaseOfPlay]

It's a tricky one. I think we'd have to sack off the League Cup as well. And then do something to market the FA Cup overseas a bit more for TV rights so there is more money in it for the winning the team. There must be a way.

They could do what Scotland do, and have the League Cup done and dusted by December. That would leave more time for the FA Cup 3rd round to start later.

[RedG13]

They could do what Scotland do, and have the League Cup done and dusted by December. That would leave more time for the FA Cup 3rd round to start later.

What would be the timeline on that? I think the league cup is midweek of every non European games week and international breaks.
Unless it an earlier start in July/August would be the thinking to get to round 3 earlier

[El Lobo]

I’d look to bring in an ‘FA League’

Have five sets of groups: Prem teams, Championship, League One, League Two and non-League (who would have had their own FA League to decide which teams are involved) and then split each set of groups into four groups, play each team in that group and then whoever wins the group is placed into the FA Champions League to decide which team has a home draw in the FA Cup proper.

Ideally do this in the summer

[PhaseOfPlay]

What would be the timeline on that? I think the league cup is midweek of every non European games week and international breaks.
Unless it an earlier start in July/August would be the thinking to get to round 3 earlier

June/July playoffs to create the right numbers from the 92 clubs

July/August for the lower division teams left, introduce the Championship/Prem clubs in September, finish it up by the first week of December.