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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24600 on: August 19, 2019, 04:39:06 pm »





Have you ever seen the Venezuelan Govs moped gangs in action ?
last year Nicky Maduro killed over 5k people, more than Pinochet did in his tenure, guess which one gets shit off jezza?

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24788&LangID=E

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« Reply #24601 on: August 19, 2019, 04:41:28 pm »
No, perhaps you can enlighten me. 
There's more to democracy than holding an occasional dubious election.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24602 on: August 19, 2019, 04:48:08 pm »
No, perhaps you can enlighten me.


Look it up.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24603 on: August 19, 2019, 04:51:33 pm »
Article 50.

"1.   Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."
We've discussed this before, of course, but it's the line about 'in accordance with constitutional requirements' that leads some people to think there's some wriggle room here to declare a No Deal crash out invalid if the government has not followed proper procedure, or has tried to trick us out by filibustering, delaying, proroguing etc.

It might feel a bit desperate, but I'm not sure it has been satisfactorily clarified. The key is with the words 'in accordance with', and how they relate to the rest of the sentence. Does it mean 'A Member State can withdraw from the union if it's constitutional processes mandate it to' or does it mean 'A Member State can only withdraw from the union if everything is done according to it's constitutional processes'?

Either reading is viable and they mean two different things.

If tested in court the semantics would involve some interpretation. On the face of it the line could just be saying that if constitutional processes, such as a referendum or a vote in the House, mandate the state to leave then it can do so. Nothing about processes involved in the act of leaving.

But I imagine lawyers could get tricksy about it and claim that 'in accordance with' means that the A50 process requires strict adherence to constitutional processes otherwise the A50 process ceases to be binding.

I'm not even sure if getting John Kerr in to explain what they intended while drafting the words would make a conclusive difference once it gets to that stage.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24604 on: August 19, 2019, 04:53:02 pm »
There's more to democracy than holding an occasional dubious election.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/americas/venezuela/report-venezuela/

Of course but can you argue that the election was not fair? The turnout may have been low but you can't argue with 68% voting for the president.  What you can argue against is someone declaring themselves president when they didn't even take part (Guaidó).
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24605 on: August 19, 2019, 04:55:50 pm »
Of course but can you argue that the election was not fair? The turnout may have been low but you can't argue with 68% voting for the president.  What you can argue against is someone declaring themselves president when they didn't even take part (Guaidó).

Yes, I believe one can. And with third party evidence.

"In August, four opposition officials who had been elected to public office were arrested and five others had arrest warrants issued against them. These warrants were issued by the Supreme Court in a proceeding that was not enshrined in law. A total of 11 officials elected by popular vote were removed from office in irregular proceedings."

Does that sound like things are fair in the way Venezuela is governed?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24606 on: August 19, 2019, 04:56:31 pm »
Of course but can you argue that the election was not fair? The turnout may have been low but you can't argue with 68% voting for the president.  What you can argue against is someone declaring themselves president when they didn't even take part (Guaidó).

It is a dictatorship that masquerades as a Democracy.

to be honest Mark,it's pretty obvious that you don't know a great deal about Venezuelan politics or the hardships that the ordinary citizen faces day in day out.
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« Reply #24607 on: August 19, 2019, 05:01:37 pm »
An interesting and somewhat depressing piece, not primarily about Brexit.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/08/why-liberals-now-believe-conspiracies


Thanks very much for this. Lots to think about in there.

Also reminded me of the word meliorism, which I've been trying to remember to attack unconscious biases in favour of VAR (because I'm sad like that)

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« Reply #24608 on: August 19, 2019, 05:02:12 pm »
However, it has been established in the European Court that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. And since Withdrawal is a process (not just a single point in time), it would seem logical (to me, at least) that the withdrawal process be made (or is required to be) in accordance with the UK's constitution (such as it is). Or, has it been established that invoking Article 50 is the end of the constitutional requirements as far as Article 50 is concerned?

As for the second part: you long ago convinced me that rejoining will be technically very difficult. And, I think, politically impossible for a generation.

The decision process in Article 50 is to trigger it and then to relay that decision to the EU. Once that's done without a hiccup, that's the decision made under constitutional requirements and according to EU law. There's no more votes in Parliament needed to confirm that - "by automatic operation of law" and all that because we've said we're off. Everything else is detail on what mitigations are in place when the day finally arrives. Question would seem to arise more if Parliament legislated to say the PM had to revoke if X hadn't happened, and then the PM refused to follow the law. Which would be a mess and would once have been up there with Martians landing as a possibility.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24609 on: August 19, 2019, 05:04:44 pm »
Of course but can you argue that the election was not fair? The turnout may have been low but you can't argue with 68% voting for the president.  What you can argue against is someone declaring themselves president when they didn't even take part (Guaidó).
There was much more to that link than fairness of the election, but yes - lots of people have indeed argued that the election was deeply flawed and unfair.

The point was that a democratic society actually relies on many things other than elections - such as an independent judiciary free from political interference, a free press, the freedom to protest and freedom from arbitrary detention. And many others, all listed on that Amnesty link (and deliberately used an Amnesty link, not a 'MSM' article).
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24610 on: August 19, 2019, 05:20:14 pm »
The decision process in Article 50 is to trigger it and then to relay that decision to the EU. Once that's done without a hiccup, that's the decision made under constitutional requirements and according to EU law. There's no more votes in Parliament needed to confirm that - "by automatic operation of law" and all that because we've said we're off. Everything else is detail on what mitigations are in place when the day finally arrives. Question would seem to arise more if Parliament legislated to say the PM had to revoke if X hadn't happened, and then the PM refused to follow the law. Which would be a mess and would once have been up there with Martians landing as a possibility.
But what if the PM effectively suspends Parliament to prevent a vote? I am not expecting you to be able to answer this. It is just that I suspect that effectively circumventing the opportunity for (and will by) Parliament to prevent Brexit might be interpreted as a failure to adhere to the constitution. And, since the circumvention is transparently to prevent Parliament from leaving the EU, might Brexit be null and void?
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« Reply #24611 on: August 19, 2019, 05:21:29 pm »
We've discussed this before, of course, but it's the line about 'in accordance with constitutional requirements' that leads some people to think there's some wriggle room here to declare a No Deal crash out invalid if the government has not followed proper procedure, or has tried to trick us out by filibustering, delaying, proroguing etc.

It might feel a bit desperate, but I'm not sure it has been satisfactorily clarified. The key is with the words 'in accordance with', and how they relate to the rest of the sentence. Does it mean 'A Member State can withdraw from the union if it's constitutional processes mandate it to' or does it mean 'A Member State can only withdraw from the union if everything is done according to it's constitutional processes'?

Either reading is viable and they mean two different things.

If tested in court the semantics would involve some interpretation. On the face of it the line could just be saying that if constitutional processes, such as a referendum or a vote in the House, mandate the state to leave then it can do so. Nothing about processes involved in the act of leaving.

But I imagine lawyers could get tricksy about it and claim that 'in accordance with' means that the A50 process requires strict adherence to constitutional processes otherwise the A50 process ceases to be binding.

I'm not even sure if getting John Kerr in to explain what they intended while drafting the words would make a conclusive difference once it gets to that stage.
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« Reply #24612 on: August 19, 2019, 05:24:57 pm »
But what if the PM effectively suspends Parliament to prevent a vote? I am not expecting you to be able to answer this. It is just that I suspect that effectively circumventing the opportunity for (and will by) Parliament to prevent Brexit might be interpreted as a failure to adhere to the constitution. And, since the circumvention is transparently to prevent Parliament from leaving the EU, might Brexit be null and void?

The decision is made once the EU is notified and the clock, set to 2 years by default, begins. If a couple don't want to get divorced then complaining about it after the decree absolute is done, even if one of them had gone on holiday, is a bit late - they have to get remarried instead.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24613 on: August 19, 2019, 05:26:53 pm »
It is a dictatorship that masquerades as a Democracy.

to be honest Mark,it's pretty obvious that you don't know a great deal about Venezuelan politics or the hardships that the ordinary citizen faces day in day out.

If I said I knew everything about Venezuelan politics I'd be a liar but I appreciate the struggles that ordinary people have on a day-to-day basis.
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« Reply #24614 on: August 19, 2019, 05:28:38 pm »
The decision is made once the EU is notified and the clock, set to 2 years by default, begins. If a couple don't want to get divorced then complaining about it after the decree absolute is done, even if one of them had gone on holiday, is a bit late - they have to get remarried instead.
Well, if we are going to resort to metaphors, what if one half of the couple actively (and illegally) prevents the other from objecting before decree absolute?
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« Reply #24615 on: August 19, 2019, 05:41:36 pm »
If I said I knew everything about Venezuelan politics I'd be a liar but I appreciate the struggles that ordinary people have on a day-to-day basis.


Yeah I got that when you talked about their "democratically" elected despot.
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« Reply #24616 on: August 19, 2019, 05:45:18 pm »
An interesting and somewhat depressing piece, not primarily about Brexit.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/08/why-liberals-now-believe-conspiracies

What a bullshit article!
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« Reply #24617 on: August 19, 2019, 05:45:47 pm »

Yeah I got that when you talked about their "democratically" elected despot.
He was democratically elected though.
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« Reply #24618 on: August 19, 2019, 05:59:28 pm »
Well, if we are going to resort to metaphors, what if one half of the couple actively (and illegally) prevents the other from objecting before decree absolute?

Not liking something doesn't make it illegal or we'd not have Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson as PM. :) In any case, the legal default is clear regardless of what charades happen in Westminster. It has been since the Article 50 letter was sent to the EU, and accepted by the EU as beginning the countdown to an automatic exit. Think Jo Maugham is trying to establish the legalities of what Johnson can do to shut Parliament down because of the consequences under British law, but that's a separate issue to whether we'll be out of the EU on 31st October under international law.
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« Reply #24619 on: August 19, 2019, 06:01:23 pm »
He was democratically elected though.
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« Reply #24620 on: August 19, 2019, 06:01:48 pm »
Grim, if true.

Cancer Patient Tells LBC Hospital Fears Running Out Of Chemo Drugs After No-Deal Brexit

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This woman being treated for breast cancer told LBC her hospital has told her to bring her passport in so they can prioritise who gets chemotherapy in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Alison called from Upminster to reveal that what she read in the leaked government report on no-deal Brexit have a very personal aspect for her.

She revealed she is currently receiving chemotherapy, but has been told by Southend and Basildon Hospital that they will need to prioritise who gets the drugs if we leave the EU without an agreement.

Speaking to Maajid Nawaz, she said: "I've just had a call this morning to bring my passport in for prioritisation over the chemo drugs.

"They're being very honest and taking things into consideration.

"It's made me a little bit sad. The hospital said not to panic, but they're just saying they want to manage it.

"We sit there in our chemo chairs and have quite a nice pleasant time as much as it can be. We'll be sat there opposite each other today and tomorrow going who's going to get priority.

"Because I'm young and first time around, potentially they said I won't finish because my chemo is due to finish after Brexit day."

Maajid asked Alison how the leaked Operation Yellowhammer document made her feel when she read about shortages of medicines. She responded: "I did panic. My only hope is the chemo to stop it growing."

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« Reply #24621 on: August 19, 2019, 06:05:34 pm »
Grim, if true.

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« Reply #24622 on: August 19, 2019, 06:15:09 pm »
What about citizens who have never and have no intention of getting a passport ?
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« Reply #24623 on: August 19, 2019, 06:23:59 pm »
What about citizens who have never and have no intention of getting a passport ?

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« Reply #24624 on: August 19, 2019, 06:25:35 pm »
Of course but can you argue that the election was not fair? The turnout may have been low but you can't argue with 68% voting for the president.  What you can argue against is someone declaring themselves president when they didn't even take part (Guaidó).

A proper liberal democracy does not just involve a majority or plurality of people installing a government. It also involves said government respecting the laws and constitution of the country. If a popularly elected government abolishes all further elections with popular support, is it still a democracy? In the ancient world, tyrannies start as popular movements, with the tyrant moving to suppress all opposition, often still with popular support.
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« Reply #24625 on: August 19, 2019, 06:27:03 pm »
What about citizens who have never and have no intention of getting a passport ?
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« Reply #24626 on: August 19, 2019, 06:33:44 pm »
Wouldn't the legal default need to be changed to 'revoke Article 50 on 31st October' for that to matter? Otherwise there's nothing there which isn't according to our constitutional arrangements as Parliament agreed to start the Article 50 process and everything which follows is a result of that. Whereas the assumption in all of that from Bogdanor and that Labour MP is that everything fails and doesn't matter because it can be quickly fixed after the fact.
But A50 has already been triggered, in 2017, following proper constitutional processes. Now it's just a countdown, absent any extensions.

We had this conversation some days ago, about whether constitutional processes have any effect on the A50 period elapsing and the treaties automatically ceasing to apply. I don't think we have much clarity on it. On the surface it seems like the government can force a crash-out by refusing to do anything further. I suspect the courts would have to rule on this for it to be any different
We do leave on Oct 31st unless our Parliament decides otherwise. am not certain if we could win any legal argument to rule any crash out by default as invalid but it's worth looking into it as we know Johnson tried to stop Parliament passing any legislation.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24627 on: August 19, 2019, 06:37:10 pm »
Makes perfect sense to try to reverse Brexit after leaving the EU if it can't be done before.

Have you been paying any attention? You can’t just ‘reverse’ it. It’s staggering to imagine any politician could be thick enough to think you just legislate to uninvoke Article 50.

Leaving the EU is like stepping off a skyscraper. Once it’s done, it’s done. You can hope you survive the fall and maybe climb back up despite the self inflicted injuries but you don’t just decide to go back up as you’re plummetting towards the ground.

To rejoin the EU after weve left will require the other 27 nations agreeing to let us back in. They may decide not to and there’s fuck all we could do. If they did it might take decades to get back in and all of the sweet deals we have will be gone.

And besides, Corbyn, Milne and McCluskey have no interest in getting back.
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« Reply #24628 on: August 19, 2019, 06:45:40 pm »
To rejoin the EU after weve left will require the other 27 nations agreeing to let us back in. They may decide not to and there’s fuck all we could do. If they did it might take decades to get back in and all of the sweet deals we have will be gone.

Have to admit I would find it pretty amusing if Spain vetoed us getting back in...
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24629 on: August 19, 2019, 06:48:03 pm »
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NEW: we have seen internal local authority No Deal planning document from up and down the country, basically those councils responsible for delivering public services including meals, and asked to by Govt to plan and assess risks - concerns standards wont be met, prices rise etc:


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Then North Tyneside Council on changing school menus “around available produce”, and eg “special dietary requirements may be difficult to meet”... “increased use of tins and frozen goods” as a mitigation - but No Deal is in red as a risk for its food provision: /3




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Eg North Ayrshire Council: officials “might need to amend school nutrition standards” to take into account price impact, and availability issues on fresh food - NB Scotland has more detailed standards than England & Wales /2






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councils have checked in with foodbanks about what they might be able to provide in No Deal - fear is that rising food prices will both lead to increased need, but also reduced donations. Eg Slough council asked its foodbank earlier in year, it said we rely on donations: /4

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24630 on: August 19, 2019, 06:50:22 pm »
However, it has been established in the European Court that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. And since Withdrawal is a process (not just a single point in time), it would seem logical (to me, at least) that the withdrawal process be made (or is required to be) in accordance with the UK's constitution (such as it is). Or, has it been established that invoking Article 50 is the end of the constitutional requirements as far as Article 50 is concerned?

As for the second part: you long ago convinced me that rejoining will be technically very difficult. And, I think, politically impossible for a generation.

The withdrawal agreement allows for a managed process after we have left. We leave on the 31st October 2019 not two years later.

All a no-deal does is remove the two year managed process.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24631 on: August 19, 2019, 06:58:47 pm »
The ‘immediate end to free movement’ news today is interesting.  There’s no need for it, it backtracks on a promise, would be immediately economically harmful, and there are Tory MPs for whom not doing it is a key issue.  The conclusion must be that it’s a deliberate provocation to make sure No Deal gets blocked, without the government getting the blame?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24632 on: August 19, 2019, 07:00:57 pm »
The ‘immediate end to free movement’ news today is interesting.  It backtracks on a promise, would be immediately economically harmful, and there are Tory MPs for whom not doing it is a key issue.  The conclusion must be that it’s a deliberate provocation to make sure No Deal gets blocked, without the government getting the blame?

Why must that be the conclusion, and not the more simpler and very much believable one that they're anti-immigration nutters who genuinely believe it's a good idea?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24633 on: August 19, 2019, 07:04:13 pm »
The ‘immediate end to free movement’ news today is interesting.  There’s no need for it, it backtracks on a promise, would be immediately economically harmful, and there are Tory MPs for whom not doing it is a key issue.  The conclusion must be that it’s a deliberate provocation to make sure No Deal gets blocked, without the government getting the blame?
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24634 on: August 19, 2019, 07:14:18 pm »
The ‘immediate end to free movement’ news today is interesting.  There’s no need for it, it backtracks on a promise, would be immediately economically harmful, and there are Tory MPs for whom not doing it is a key issue.  The conclusion must be that it’s a deliberate provocation to make sure No Deal gets blocked, without the government getting the blame?

Electioneering too? Immigration is still a (relatively) big thing for voters Tories are pitching a lot of policies towards, whether they've moved Tory >Frottage or Labour >Frottage in recent years.

eg Surridge's breakdown using BMG data from March through May this year.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24635 on: August 19, 2019, 07:49:41 pm »
Why must that be the conclusion, and not the more simpler and very much believable one that they're anti-immigration nutters who genuinely believe it's a good idea?
Because it harms their prospects of getting No Deal through.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24636 on: August 19, 2019, 07:54:17 pm »
Because it harms their prospects of getting No Deal through.

I don't see how it makes it any more difficult than it is already. I don't believe the number of Tory rebels will increase for example, as they'll cling onto vague promises of business visas and "Global Britain will maintain a flexible immigration system" type empty soundbites.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24637 on: August 19, 2019, 07:58:26 pm »
Don't most voters think there is too much immigration? That also includes Remain voters as well.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24638 on: August 19, 2019, 08:00:30 pm »
That operation yellow hammer document...

Out of date of course...

The date on it?

Oh, 1st August.  That was like years ago...
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24639 on: August 19, 2019, 08:03:25 pm »
That operation yellow hammer document...

Out of date of course...

The date on it?

Oh, 1st August.  That was like years ago...

Faisal Islam wrote an interesting Twitter thread about the date of that document.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1162859157969670144