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John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« on: March 22, 2013, 12:15:31 pm »
To procrastinate, To put off something you mean to do. The meaning of this word was driven home to me this week with the death of  my wife's Uncle John. I'd been meaning to get a cab up to his flat in Canny Farm and go out with him out for a drink with a bit of an ulterior motive, I was going to write something for the History thread on RAWK because amongst other things John was a massive Red. He'd long been priced out of going the game but in the late fifties and  Sixties he followed Liverpool religiously both home and away. This was a time when the players used to get the same train up to London as the fans and John's face got known and he became friendly with the new manager Bill Shankly. Shankly always had time for the fans and would invite them into the carriage with the players. Bill saw an honesty and integrity in John that people who met him knew was there. He was physically only a small fella but he oozed passion for those he cared about. John had to go in hospital for a few weeks and Shanks asked some of the regulars where he was. The first thing John knew about it was when an agitated nurse came up to his bed and said there's a Scottish man outside and I've told him it's not visiting time but he refuses to go away. Next thing Bill Shankly strides into the ward and greets John along with Ron Yeats and Ian St John who he'd brought along for the ride.

Shankly genuinely cared about the fans at the end of the 59 season John was one of a handful who had travelled down to Swansea for the last game of the season. Shanks saw John and called him over and gave him an envelope and told him to open it when he got back to Liverpool. Inside it was a rail ticket to London and a FA Cup final ticket to watch Forrest and Luton. When John turned up he was sitting next to Bill Shankly. Shankly  had given him one of the club's allocated tickets to John as a reward for going home and away following the club. One week of Wayne Rooney's wages could easily buy the modest  house that Bill Shankly lived in as manager of Liverpool and one of the perks Bill did get was a few odd tickets. These were often given away free to deserving fans but if Bill had a few spares he knew he could trust John to sell them at face value to the fans that really deserved the tickets with Shanks always keen to know who he'd sold the ticket's to.
In those days the Labour Party still had a connection with the Working Class and John was a member and active in his local ward. Shanks always took an interest and would quiz John about what was going on. Years later, after Shankly had retired, John was out canvassing for the local party when he knocked on Shankly's house. Bill was really pleased to see him and welcomed him like a long lost friend, John was invited in and spent the rest of the evening talking to Bill at his home about politics but there conversation soon turned to football and their great love Liverpool FC.

John had hundreds of stories about them days, from Shanks stopping the players coach at Old Trafford to give him a lift back to Liverpool to talking about the trips themselves. John was a modest man and I used to try and convince him to tell his stories because he never thought anyone would be interested, that was just football back then but in the space of a generation football has changed so much that it's hard to imagine a fan and a football manager having such a relationship today, no it's impossible to imagine. He spoke to me about it because he knew I still went the game and I shared his passion but there was no chance of him ever affording the match again and he put that passion into his second love bowls. Still travelling by bus across Liverpool to play for his club.

I've only scratched the surface of John's experiences with Shankly and Liverpool and now he's taken those memories with him and that is why I want to get some similar memories recorded in the History Thread, to pass them down before it's to late. As for John, I admired him for many reasons, especially looking after my wife when she was young. Her Dad had died early, her Mum was seriously ill in hospital and to top it off her brother had succumbed to heroin. John and his brother looked after her and that was the measure of the man for me, always there for everyone when ever they got into difficulty, he wasn't stupid but always wanted to see the good in people. If football has changed  beyond recognition so has life.  You compare men like John and his generation with ideals and principals to the new generation that is replacing them. Young men on the same estates who's lives are so often tied up with drugs in one form or another. How has it changed so much so quickly? John lost faith in the Labour Party but when my wife wanted to help organise a party for his Seventieth next year, he didn't want it. 'I'll have my party girl, when Maggie Thatcher dies' he'd say. Unfortunately he'll never see that day but while I was in the club shop buying John a red tie and handkerchief for his final journey looking at the commercial sanitised version of Liverpool that the club want to sell, It seemed miles away from what John stood for because his passion was heartfelt,  both in football and in life, Shankly recognised it and I'm glad I also had the chance to.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2013, 09:45:24 am by The 92A »
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 01:00:49 pm »
As per usual Albie you manage to pull at the heart strings, a lovely post, thank you, everything you describe is so true.

My sincere condolences to you and your family, another good man lost.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 01:13:03 pm »
Great post that, two great men. Shame there's not more like them.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 01:13:42 pm »
Firstly condolences for your loss mate. Hope you and your wife are bearing up well in light of her uncle's departure.

This is a beautiful read and actually touches what makes people fall in love with the club. That spirit one may rekindle, who knows, but currently the commercialisation of sport as a whole is busy causing the erosion of something that can stir the soul like the below

thanks for posting this - it's one to treasure
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2013, 04:21:28 pm »
Great read, Albie. Those were the days indeed.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2013, 04:28:40 pm »
A great post and very poignant. Reading about John I recognised many of the precious beliefs my own father held so dear, those men are fast becoming a lost treasure.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2013, 04:38:49 pm »
touching that mate,  r i p to john.  ynwa.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2013, 04:39:23 pm »
Genuine thanks for posting that.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2013, 08:33:26 pm »
Lovely post that. Thank you
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2013, 08:48:38 pm »
Thanks for sharing!
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2013, 10:33:04 pm »
Sorry for your loss Albie, sounds a great fella, Swansea at that time, no mean feat, and if he helped build the passion within yourself & others, then that is a gift you won't forget. No wonder his relationship with the most important person in this clubs (and possibly modern football's) histoet lived on within him as it will for you every time you think of him.

Good luck with everything over the next few days and at the funeral.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2013, 12:03:47 am »
Sorry for yours and your wife's loss Albie, and thanks for that fitting tribute to him. I hope a few of the younger lads and girls on here pop in to have a read of this.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2013, 01:19:44 am »
What a brilliant post. Thoughts are with your family to cope with your loss. Going by that post your wife's uncle will live on through the impact he's had on many others.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2013, 06:20:51 am »
Albie, 69 is no age to be sneaking off as the Scots say. Bloody hell it's scary especially when like me, you're 68 next.
It's a heart-warming and a heart-rending account of the life of a good man you give us mate. John and his like are rapidly disappearing into legend along with the real football people of the time when the game was ours.

Give him a send-off befitting a working class hero eh lad? By the sound of it he fits the bill. RIP John Nixon
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 09:10:59 am »
Thank you for sharing that with us Albie.

RIP John Nixon.

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 09:19:24 am »
Nice read that, thanks for posting.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2013, 09:35:16 am »
Nice post and a fitting tribute. I might be wrong but I reckon blokes  like John wouldn't have been too bothered about being priced out of today's game given what it's become.

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2013, 10:00:07 am »
Enjoyed that post.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2013, 10:02:18 am »
Condolences to you and your family Albie.

Brilliant post mate heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2013, 11:20:53 am »
Brilliant mate, a loss of another person who carried wonderful experiences.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2013, 11:36:35 am »
Love stories like this, condolences to you and your family mate

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 12:18:44 pm »
That is a brilliant post and at the same time, sad on so many levels. There are fewer and fewer John Nixon's left in this world and we are all the poorer for his passing. Thoughts are with you and his family and friends.
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2013, 02:22:42 pm »
Lovely post. Condolences to your family.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2013, 02:56:15 pm »
Excellent post that. Painted a real picture of the man, whilst also showing an understanding of what the times were like (and with guys like John Nixon, you can see WHY it was like that also).

Thanks for posting. Condolences on your loss.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2013, 03:08:02 pm »
Excellent post. As a younger supporter, I love reading stories like this one and hearing them from other supporters of the club. Stories like these make the club what it is. We can all learn so much from taking the time to listen to our elders in all walks of life. It's fantastic to read about how friendships were made and shared through the club, and how Shankly had a genuine respect for people from all walks of life.

Thanks for this contribution. Posts like these are the reason the 'auld arse' thread is the best on the site.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2013, 03:17:57 pm »
sad to hear of you and youre families loss Albie
Ive got this picture in my head of St Peter at the pearly gates doing a bit of a chin rub over yer uncle John, with shanklyboy holding a bag of cats and shanks with a bag of balls saying cmon pete we're one short, we're mates ?
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2013, 05:01:32 pm »
He'd long been priced out of going the game but in the late fifties and  Sixties he followed Liverpool religiously both home and away. This was a time when the players used to get the same train up to London as the fans and John's face got known and he became friendly with the new manager Bill Shankly. Shankly always had time for the fans and would invite them into the carriage with the players. Bill saw an honesty and integrity in John that people who met him knew was there. He was physically only a small fella but he oozed passion for those he cared about. John had to go in hospital for a few weeks and Shanks asked some of the regulars where he was. The first thing John knew about it was when an agitated nurse came up to his bed and said there's a Scottish man outside and I've told him it's not visiting time but he refuses to go away. Next thing Bill Shankly strides into the ward and greets John along with Ron Yeats and Ian St John who he'd brought along for the ride.

Brilliant story.  Imagine a Premier League manager doing the same today ...   :shocked
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2013, 05:12:49 pm »
Rest in peace John.  Deepest sympathy for your loss Albie and thank you for posting that wonderful tribute.  As the saying goes, and for all of is who have lived them and gloried in them it is true:  "For we have seen the days".
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2013, 07:32:03 pm »
Brilliant story.  Imagine a Premier League manager doing the same today ...   :shocked

Shanks eh... a wee bit unique wasn't he.

Lovely story Albie, what a shame it is written in memory. Condolences fella.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2013, 07:40:26 pm »
Wow. What a fantasic story, and by the sounds fantastic man. RIP John, hope your chatting to Shanks about times gone by.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2013, 06:47:08 pm »
Moving story. Sorry for your loss.

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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2013, 09:47:03 am »
My wife would like to thank everyone for their condolences. Thanks everyone.
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2013, 10:57:58 am »
A very moving tribute, lamenting on the loss of a great red, a good man and a bygone era. Sincere condolences to you and your wife mate.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2013, 11:12:01 am »
Brilliant read that Albie, its the posts like that which educate some of us woolies, thanks fella. 
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2013, 11:20:36 am »
Great read and condolences to family.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2013, 11:29:43 am »
Really interesting read and fantastic tribute to John that Albie. Condolences to your wife and i hope you can both take pleasure from the priviledge of knowing John and the tales he had to tell. They will live long in the momory for you both.
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2013, 11:32:41 am »
Sorry for your loss; what a wonderful tribute.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2013, 11:48:21 am »
Sorry to hear the news Albie, he sounded like a fine man.

What a great post, youve really done him proud, thankyou for sharing his memories with us all.

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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2013, 01:17:23 pm »
After reading that, I'm lost for words. But my thoughts are with you and yours.
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Re: John Nixon and Bill Shankly.
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2013, 04:52:33 pm »
lovely post that mate, John sounds like a top man who had some great stories to tell.
condolences to you and your family.