Author Topic: Windows Vista released! (Read 48029 times)

theCanadian · « **on:** January 28, 2007, 08:21:06 am »

Got my copy of Windows Vista Home Basic ($119+tax CAD - OEM) a couple days early.

It's brilliant. Just wow. I'm sure I'll be used to it in a few days but for now I'm in a permanent state of awe. Everything is so streamlined, sleek, smooth. Clean. It all just feels good.

SMD · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2007, 08:31:33 am »

Quote from: theCanadian on January 28, 2007, 08:21:06 am

Shiny

Summarised.

NatD · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2007, 09:28:19 am »

When I bought my new Dell in the New Year, I got a free upgrace to Vista.

Should I bother getting it???

I have XP MCE edition on here at the mo - and also some, ahem, software that I acquired by other means!

Will running Vista effect this?

Mudface_ · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2007, 10:10:38 am »

If it's free, get it.

Matt S · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2007, 10:26:43 am »

looks like a mac

filopastry · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2007, 10:32:27 am »

If its free get it, especially as XP MCE upgrades to Home premium.

It certainly is nicer looking if such things are important to you in your OS, and more secure as well, although not necessarily at first , plus if you're a gamer you'll need to get it in the end anyway for DX10 support, just be careful checking that everything on your system is compatible with it before installing

BazC · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:01:23 am »

Should have got the Home Premium- Home Basic doesn't have the Aero stuff does it?

iSmiff · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:07:01 am »

i'll get it when its cracked to bits

i am a thief

Mudface_ · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:09:04 am »

It's been cracked for a while, hasn't it? Or was that a pre-release version?

iSmiff · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:10:52 am »

they were the RTM versions, essentially the finished article but i want the retail one proper to have

not that i will upgrade for at least six months, too many bad windows upgrade experiences

Mudface_ · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:13:40 am »

I'll be looking to buy a new system this Autumn, so hopefully any problems will have been ironed out by then (plus the DX10 gpu's will be at the £100 level).

iSmiff · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:14:50 am »

i plan to turn my overclock button on for me core 2's and stick a dx10 beast in, something around the £350-400 mark

then i plan to furiously masturbate over crysis

Mudface_ · « **Reply #12 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:23:29 am »

W00t

Supreme Commander's out the middle of next month as well (or earlier via the 'evaluation' sites).

filopastry · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:00:40 pm »

Home basic doesn't have Aero or the media centre.

By the way Smiff there's a few more "movies" of Crysis in game released, does look very good.

WorldChampions · « **Reply #14 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:03:12 pm »

Got a virus yet?

jackh · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:21:09 pm »

How much more space does it take than XP? Is it worth upgrading or realistically would it be better to upgrade the whole laptop?

Also does it just use the same setup as th XP - just a 25 digit code?

NatD · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:41:24 pm »

When I was doing some digging around looking for a new computer, I was advised that to run Vista to its best, that I would need 2gb of RAM, which I have.

However, I am sure I have recently seen a few systems being sold with Vista upgrade but only wtih512mb RAM.

Please note though, that I know next to nothing about computers!!!!!!!!!!

Mudface_ · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:51:41 pm »

512Mb's the minimum, 1Gb is the recommended minimum, 2Gb's about the optimum.

jackh- go to the Vista site for the full details. It's up to you if you think what it offers is worthwhile upgrading for.

JP-65 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:00:55 pm »

Quote from: jackh on January 28, 2007, 12:21:09 pm

How much more space does it take than XP? Is it worth upgrading or realistically would it be better to upgrade the whole laptop?

Also does it just use the same setup as th XP - just a 25 digit code?

The vista site has a utility you can download which will tell you what version your computer can support.
I have a 4 year old sony desktop, with 2gb memory, a 3gzh processor, and it told me I could only upgrade to the basic version, which isn't what I'd want.

iSmiff · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:05:19 pm »

Quote from: Mudface_ on January 28, 2007, 11:23:29 am

W00t

Supreme Commander's out the middle of next month as well (or earlier via the 'evaluation' sites).

been playing on the supreme commander beta for a few months now, its an excelletn RTS, great if you have 8 players going at it

World in Conflict looks like it will be fantastic as well

filopastry · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:05:58 pm »

Quote from: JP-65 on January 28, 2007, 01:00:55 pm

The vista site has a utility you can download which will tell you what version your computer can support.
I have a 4 year old sony desktop, with 2gb memory, a 3gzh processor, and it told me I could only upgrade to the basic version, which isn't what I'd want.

What graphics card do you have?

I'd guess it may be the issue

JP-65 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:08:25 pm »

Quote from: filopastry on January 28, 2007, 01:05:58 pm

What graphics card do you have?

I'd guess it may be the issue

I suspect you're right, but haven't had the time to do the research on this. It's a Nvidia GeForce FX5600.

Interesting, I received an email from compuserve, who I use for one of my email services, stating that CS software won't work on vista, and no plans to get it upgraded to work either (guess their trying to use this to get the last remnants of their customer base switched over to AOL)

Graeme · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:11:20 pm »

I bought a 3 pack of Vista Home Premium OEM last week, will be installing on the laptop tomorrow and see how I get on. 2nd one is going on my Desktop and the 3rd is on eBay!

fudge · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:14:46 pm »

keeping thinking about buying it, but think i'm falling for the spin again

hoonin · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:42:40 pm »

Quote from: theCanadian on January 28, 2007, 08:21:06 am

Got my copy of Windows Vista Home Basic ($119+tax CAD - OEM) a couple days early.

It's brilliant. Just wow. I'm sure I'll be used to it in a few days but for now I'm in a permanent state of awe. Everything is so streamlined, sleek, smooth. Clean. It all just feels good.

Amazes me how they can still get away with charging people for such utter shite!

We have a saying for things like this:

Lipstick on a bulldog

hoonin · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:45:57 pm »

Quote from: NatD on January 28, 2007, 12:41:24 pm

When I
was doing some digging around looking for a new computer, I was advised that to run Vista to its best, that I would need 2gb of RAM, which I have.

However, I am sure I have recently seen a few systems being sold with Vista upgrade but only wtih512mb RAM.

Please note though, that I know next to nothing about computers!!!!!!!!!!

For real? That's unbelievable. What on earth can a home PC be doing to need 2G of memory for the OS, before you even consider apps, games etc.

iSmiff · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:55:50 pm »

how did you buy a 3 pack of oem vista gareth, dont you need to buy hardware to get OEM software?

Graeme · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:59:53 pm »

Quote from: Smiff on January 28, 2007, 03:55:50 pm

how did you buy a 3 pack of oem vista gareth, dont you need to buy hardware to get OEM software?

He's Gareth, I'm Graeme

Yes you do normally need to buy hardware, but working for a reseller helped with that

buzzing · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:00:36 pm »

Quote from: Gareth on January 28, 2007, 03:45:57 pm

For real? That's unbelievable. What on earth can a home PC be doing to need 2G of memory for the OS, before you even consider apps, games etc.

zaclee

Pheeny · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:02:54 pm »

Quote from: Graeme on January 28, 2007, 03:59:53 pm

He's Gareth, I'm Graeme

Yes you do normally need to buy hardware, but working for a reseller helped with that

just a shame the third one is the English Version and not the Dutch one...

iSmiff · « **Reply #30 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:03:53 pm »

oops sorry bout the mixup, how much you looking for it on ebay,

these arent locked then to sprcific hardware?

is it upgrade or the full install

theCanadian · « **Reply #31 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:13:42 pm »

Quote from: bazc350 on January 28, 2007, 11:01:23 am

Should have got the Home Premium- Home Basic doesn't have the Aero stuff does it?

Not worth the 60$ difference for looks when this looks fantastic anyways, and I'm going to be getting a new computer and selling this one within 6 months.

Graeme · « **Reply #32 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:18:10 pm »

You can't get an OEM upgrade. OEM's are for distrubution with a new PC and are full versions.

If you search eBay for 'oem vista home premium 64' there's only 2 matches. The auction one is mine, there is one on a Buy It Now which gives an idea of what I'm lookin for (although I don't charge shipping)

theCanadian · « **Reply #33 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:24:52 pm »

The idea that you need to have some state of the art computer to run Vista well is a stupid myth created by the Vista reviewers online (dont' know why).

The technology in my computer is 5 years old and it runs Vista very well.

There's a new rating system for how powerful your computer is - it is shown in the attachment below. It uses a rating based on an index from 1-5.9. If your computer's rating is 1 it means you can just barely just Vista. 5.9 means you're free and clear to do any kind of sweet gaming you want. For the rating it takes the lowest of the 5 different sub-scores.

Mine has 512MB of 266Mhz RAM and that ends up being the lowest score (2.9). It all runs fine but Vista does eat up quite a lot of RAM. It is definetly a good idea to use Vista on a 1GB RAM computer or upgrade to 1gb. (I'm not upgrading since I'm selling this computer in due time anyways.) As you can see below, nearly 400MB of my (admittedly slow) RAM is being used up even though I'm not really doing much. Despite this observation, I haven't noticed any sudden dramatic slowdowns that would be as a result of lack of RAM and the OS seems to be running just as well as XP.

Jimmy Conway · « **Reply #34 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:29:27 pm »

Quote from: Graeme on January 28, 2007, 04:18:10 pm

You can't get an OEM upgrade. OEM's are for distrubution with a new PC and are full versions.

If you search eBay for 'oem vista home premium 64' there's only 2 matches. The auction one is mine, there is one on a Buy It Now which gives an idea of what I'm lookin for (although I don't charge shipping)

I tried selling a OEM of XP once, got kicked off eBay for it.

carlosfromtheotherforum · « **Reply #35 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:48:45 pm »

Nope...certainly no OEM versions available at online sites anywhere...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=33&catid=20

Oh wait.

Overclockers did get in trouble actually (someone i know works for novatech) for releasing this already and not on the 30th like ms wanted them to with a possiblity of being sued I'd guess for loss of revenue over other vendors. Two of my friends pre-ordered it with them and got it sent about 3-4 days ago.

Graeme · « **Reply #36 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:06:12 pm »

Cheapest place I can see it on the net is around £75 - £80 delivered. Will sell i for £70 delivered if anybody wants. Please bear in mind this is the 64-Bit version.

theCanadian · « **Reply #37 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:07:45 pm »

I bought an OEM copy and installed it on my old system.

Bought it from a small computer hardware/software dealer I know.

www.pccomponentscanada.com

vista home basic $119, vista home premium $149, vista business $199, vista ultimate $269

E-mail him with your purchase request at salesdesk@pccomponentscanada.com

Due to export restrictions he can't ship to the UK so this is only good for anyone inside North America.

iSmiff · « **Reply #38 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:12:21 pm »

ah, 64bit is no use to me

so these OEM versions i see on Ebay are full version that arent locked to a particular manufacturer or anything like that, might just order myself one, save years of looking for wga cracks

carlosfromtheotherforum · « **Reply #39 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:37:39 pm »

OEM versions are full versions but have acitvation restrictions, unlike the retail which can be used as many times as you wish. Originally the OEM versions were restricted to only one configuration of PC at the time of initial activiation, this has now changed to relax limitations on removable hardware such as graphics cards but does count for motherboard. So, in short, you can change your setup except your motherboard, which constitues a new PC and the reason the OEM versions are half the price of the full retails, you will no longer be able to use it.

Cracking methods seem to be of the same type as in XP...that is, a manual activation option (calling customer support), giving them the code generated by windoze, and then typing in the return code that the operative would have given you. Of course, it didnt take long for keygens to appear to do the same thing or even cracks to remove the necesity entirerly. You miss out on legitimate support (but there is no tech support with OEM anyway) and updates but serves you for pirating it anyway lol

Just been chatting to my friends and one says he has seen awful performance using the vista nvidia drivers on all but WoW and my other friend cannot even get 8800 drivers at all. They are all at early beta stage only and he is not willing to risk using them. So getting it early from overclockers wasnt such a great idea!

Overall they like the look and feel (once you get rid of the annoying dim-wit pop up 'help' boxes) and say it runs very nice. As for anyone desperate to upgrade, wait. One of them is thinking about putting XP back on already so he can play all his games again!!

Author Topic: Windows Vista released! (Read 48029 times)

hoonin

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