Author Topic: Joël Matip (Job Joël André Matip) (Read 524159 times)

BCCC · « **Reply #1960 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:01:50 pm »

Hansenesque yesterday, hope the shite cynical challenge on him by Herrera was what caused is own injury.

robgomm · « **Reply #1961 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:09:22 pm »

Loved that run. Less so the clumsy own goal that wasn't. It wasn't because he'd kept his line, as had the rest, so that's something.

sattapaartridge · « **Reply #1962 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:16:32 pm »

He's slowly becoming a leader of this team. He see's space and runs through it sometimes. He's not a dominant quick defender, but he is pretty decent. Thank god we have him. thats three cleansheets in 3 games.

SlowRap · « **Reply #1963 on:** February 25, 2019, 01:26:00 pm »

his position to lose now

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1964 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:09:42 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on February 25, 2019, 12:46:01 pm

No it's not, it's a statement of facts.

We were playing against a one-legged Rashford yesterday, we had 2/3rds of possession and they needed to make three subs int he first half. We were lucky not to concede an own goal, Alisson did brilliant off his line to deny Lingaard and Smalling could/should have scored at the end.

I'm not sure that's a game where anyone other than Alisson stood out in defence.

How were we lucky not to concede an own goal? We purposefully hold a high line to catch players offside. When players are caught offside there is nothing lucky involved, it's planned for and drilled in to the players every day.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #1965 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:11:30 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on February 25, 2019, 03:09:42 pm

How were we lucky not to concede an own goal? We purposefully hold a high line to catch players offside. When players are caught offside there is nothing lucky involved, it's planned for and drilled in to the players every day.

I agree with you, but he was extremely lucky against Bayern as he did the same thing except it hit Becker in the chest.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1966 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:15:11 pm »

Quote from: deFacto on February 25, 2019, 03:11:30 pm

I agree with you, but he was extremely lucky against Bayern as he did the same thing except it hit Becker in the chest.

Yes that's true but that's one mistake, which didn't cost us, over how many games?

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #1967 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:18:51 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on February 25, 2019, 03:15:11 pm

Yes that's true but that's one mistake, which didn't cost us, over how many games?

Point taken, but he needs to cut it out. His clearance was wrong in both instances.

Chakan · « **Reply #1968 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:19:14 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on February 25, 2019, 03:09:42 pm

How were we lucky not to concede an own goal? We purposefully hold a high line to catch players offside. When players are caught offside there is nothing lucky involved, it's planned for and drilled in to the players every day.

Although if you look at the one freekick they took where we caught Sanchez just offsides, Matip is the only defender that breaks the line and goes backwards towards goal.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1969 on:** February 25, 2019, 03:22:12 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on February 25, 2019, 03:19:14 pm

Although if you look at the one freekick they took where we caught Sanchez just offsides, Matip is the only defender that breaks the line and goes backwards towards goal.

I'm not saying he's Baresi or anything but i'm sure you'll find instances of any number of players breaking the line at some stage. If they're still catching them offside then the line is working in my eyes.

Xanderzone · « **Reply #1970 on:** February 25, 2019, 04:59:09 pm »

The best he's played since he first joined.

15 months left on hie deal, keep himself fit and in this form there's no reason he can't earn a new contract.

soxfan · « **Reply #1971 on:** February 25, 2019, 05:13:02 pm »

Matip's main issue since he joined us hasn't been ability. He's a decent if unspectacular defender, capable of being our #2 or #3 CB. His problem has been staying free of little injuries. He's been brittle.

Dench57 · « **Reply #1972 on:** February 25, 2019, 05:18:40 pm »

Quote from: soxfan on February 25, 2019, 05:13:02 pm

Matip's main issue since he joined us hasn't been ability. He's a decent if unspectacular defender, capable of being our #2 or #3 CB. His problem has been staying free of little injuries. He's been brittle.

Is Lovren's record actually worse in terms of % of games missed through injury? Feels like it might be

daggerdoo · « **Reply #1973 on:** February 25, 2019, 07:40:15 pm »

Quote from: Dench57 on February 25, 2019, 05:18:40 pm

Is Lovren's record actually worse in terms of % of games missed through injury? Feels like it might be

Not trying to avoid the question, they're probably similar to be honest. I think Klopp prefers Dejan to Joel, but no reason why that couldn't change. Think they will be fighting it out for 3rd choice next season.

soxfan · « **Reply #1974 on:** February 25, 2019, 08:05:27 pm »

Quote from: Dench57 on February 25, 2019, 05:18:40 pm

Is Lovren's record actually worse in terms of % of games missed through injury? Feels like it might be

I think early on Matip's injury record was worse. But you're right, Lovren's catching up, at the very least.

blacksun · « **Reply #1975 on:** February 25, 2019, 09:01:10 pm »

Quote from: soxfan on February 25, 2019, 08:05:27 pm

I think early on Matip's injury record was worse. But you're right, Lovren's catching up, at the very least.

The problem for me isn't either one of them individually, but the combination of the two, both being out frequently with niggly injuries means over reliance on the other two and then if one of the first choice pair goes down (like Gomez has) we are stuck putting Fab (or Winjaldham last year) in there which is why I think one of them may get replaced in the summer.

RedG13 · « **Reply #1976 on:** February 25, 2019, 10:15:34 pm »

Quote from: deFacto on February 25, 2019, 03:11:30 pm

I agree with you, but he was extremely lucky against Bayern as he did the same thing except it hit Becker in the chest.

On the replay with Bayern it looked like it was going wide the Matip clearance. Alisson made sure it wasnt going anywhere though.

El Lobo · « **Reply #1977 on:** February 25, 2019, 10:18:20 pm »

Quote from: RedG13 on February 25, 2019, 10:15:34 pm

On the replay with Bayern it looked like it was going wide the Matip clearance. Alisson made sure it wasnt going anywhere though.

Aye it was good defending

Alas though, he still looks much more clinical putting it in his own net. He gets in the opposition box and all calmness disappears!

smurfinaus · « **Reply #1978 on:** February 25, 2019, 11:04:34 pm »

Missed the game . how was his defending especially in the air? And chances we prefer to keep him over Lovren in summer? ( having two CB who arent reliable in terms of fitness is a bit rich)

Xanderzone · « **Reply #1979 on:** February 27, 2019, 03:56:19 am »

Played against United 3 times for Liverpool, clean sheet every time.

Anfield89 · « **Reply #1980 on:** February 27, 2019, 06:31:09 am »

He's playing well. His mishit clearance against Bayern was going wide and he wasn't lucky to not concede an own goal we held a line we have been all season catching teams out every single game.

Now it seems Carra's words against West Ham which I think is the only time we have been caught out using the high line have got into a few peoples heads.

Frank Becton · « **Reply #1981 on:** February 27, 2019, 06:43:55 am »

Doing okay just feel he gets bullied sometimes and just needs to be a bit stronger at times.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1982 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:15:49 pm »

Quote from: Frank Becton on February 27, 2019, 06:43:55 am

Doing okay just feel he gets bullied sometimes and just needs to be a bit stronger at times.

Past few games I think he's looked a lot more aggressive, it's as if he's finally realised he's 6'5. Love how he calls out divers after every challenge he makes as well

Frank Becton · « **Reply #1983 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:17:14 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on February 27, 2019, 12:15:49 pm

Past few games I think he's looked a lot more aggressive, it's as if he's finally realised he's 6'5. Love how he calls out divers after every challenge he makes as well

I suppose a run in the side is doing his confidence a lot of good. Fair play to him.

Petadroli · « **Reply #1984 on:** February 27, 2019, 12:24:41 pm »

I think he has stepped up tremendously when called upon. Great lad, hope he scores a bullet header soon.

AndyMuller · « **Reply #1985 on:** February 27, 2019, 01:57:49 pm »

He's a better dribbler than most of our midfield

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1986 on:** February 27, 2019, 02:25:10 pm »

Quote from: AndyMuller on February 27, 2019, 01:57:49 pm

He's a better dribbler than most of our midfield

And progressive passer

Bjornar · « **Reply #1987 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:30:42 pm »

Brilliant game from him tonight I thought.

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #1988 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:31:29 pm »

Quote from: Bjornar on February 27, 2019, 10:30:42 pm

Brilliant game from him tonight I thought.

I think he has been good recently, shows you what a run of games can do

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1989 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:33:30 pm »

He's always been good after a run of games, it's just hard keeping out there.

mrantarctica · « **Reply #1990 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:19:03 pm »

Really hope he can stay fit for an extended period because he's been really very good. Has formed quite a good partnership with VVD. I think his ball distribution and carrying are totally underrated. Lets hope he can carry on this way.

Shepnois · « **Reply #1991 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:27:32 pm »

He's looking a lot more assured now, a run of games has helped him. Him & Virgil look a good duo no complaints.

Bobinhood · « **Reply #1992 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:45:54 pm »

He was flat out excellent today.

Gazza-LFC · « **Reply #1993 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:48:23 pm »

Since coming in he hasn't put on a foot wrong. Well in Joel.

rscanderlech · « **Reply #1994 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:49:07 pm »

So Van dijk can go with Lovren, Gomez or Matip and they all look world class (esp. VVD-Gomez). So the next question is, what if VVD isn’t there?

Have we seen Matip without VVD this season? Versus Bayern I guess? (i missed that game!)

Filler. · « **Reply #1995 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:50:27 pm »

Great tonight. Been pretty good for a while. Vital job he's been doing.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #1996 on:** February 28, 2019, 12:08:32 am »

Quote from: rscanderlech on February 27, 2019, 11:49:07 pm

So Van dijk can go with Lovren, Gomez or Matip and they all look world class (esp. VVD-Gomez). So the next question is, what if VVD isn’t there?

Have we seen Matip without VVD this season? Versus Bayern I guess? (i missed that game!)

Yeah and he was great in that game because he's a good defender in his own right.

farawayred · « **Reply #1997 on:** February 28, 2019, 09:03:35 am »

I want to see him score with one of those runs straight through the middle! For some reason his running style reminds me of Crouchie’s.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #1998 on:** February 28, 2019, 09:48:44 am »

Quote from: farawayred on February 28, 2019, 09:03:35 am

I want to see him score with one of those runs straight through the middle! For some reason his running style reminds me of Crouchie’s.

Not even suggesting he's in the same class. But his runs remind me of Beckenbauer. If he could only unleash shots like him he'd be deadly.

vicar · « **Reply #1999 on:** February 28, 2019, 09:54:21 am »

Matip seems to have got better the more he has played.
Still think he makes a few poor clearances, typically when trying to head or pass the ball in one move, but he has improved loads in the last few weeks.