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kaesarsosei:

--- Quote from: disgraced cake on September  8, 2023, 11:49:56 am ---This is why it was probably always going to be alright letting 5 go and bringing 4 in. Also, if we can rest Mac Allister and Szoboszlai for the Europa League group games they won't end up being overplayed throughout the season you'd think. Endo/Gravenberc/Thiago/Jones/Elliot/Bajcetic should be able to take care of that and get their own minutes up so they're more ready to contribute elsewhere.

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This is how I think too and to be honest I would go even 1 step further and not even register the likes of Salah or Thiago for Europe pre-Christmas. But from past experience I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp starts Salah for 6 Europa games.

Avens:

--- Quote from: Jookie on September  8, 2023, 01:53:08 pm ---He'd have been unreal as an 8 in the current system because he'd had the physicality to do the off the ball stuff and drive/creativity to do the attacking aspects we ask of our number 8's (and more).

Midfielder wise we've had non-one in the 30 odd years I've been watching that is even remotely close to Gerrard's all round ability and physicality

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Until now  ;)

Knight:

--- Quote from: keyop on September  8, 2023, 01:38:59 pm ---Whilst I partly agree with the traditional definitions and benefits of a DM 6, or a CM 8, or an AM 10, it does create a reliance on specialist roles that are then problematic if injuries strike, or a player's form drops off, or when we need to find a replacement if they leave.

Elite players are also not usually fixed to one role. Gerrard could be a box to box CM 8, or an AM 10 role playing just off the striker, and then becoming more of a deep-lying hybrid DM 6/'quarterback' in his later years. Not everyone is his level, but with a good footballing brain and a manager like Jurgen, I think a player's role is far more malleable nowadays compared to the more traditional positions.

Perhaps Jurgen's vision is a more fluid one that involves multi-disciplinary players who are very good at set roles, but can seamlessly slot into others without affecting the system. We saw how much we missed Fabinho when he played CB in 2020/21, and again when his form dropped last season. We were perhaps over-reliant on a single player doing a specific job in a specific setup. Replacing that role then becomes difficult, as the pool of players at the club (or elsewhere) that fit the profile and quality will be very small.

It's like the analogy of teams being like jigsaw puzzles - where you need to find the missing piece to complete the picture, and it's not quite the same without it and is far more noticeable when it's missing. But teams should really be more like Lego* - interchangeable pieces that you can rebuild into something different when needed, and where alternative pieces can be used to replace ones that are missing - without affecting the overall structure or purpose.

*not sure how well this analogy works, but having built a Lego Millennium Falcon with my son last night, it sounded good in my head.

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We canít afford the unicorns that can do everything though. Or theyíve chosen to go elsewhere. If we had a midfield of Bellingham, Tchouameni and one other they could all do every position. But getting players able to do everything is just so expensive.

spider-neil:

--- Quote from: Knight on September  8, 2023, 03:20:49 pm ---We canít afford the unicorns that can do everything though. Or theyíve chosen to go elsewhere. If we had a midfield of Bellingham, Tchouameni and one other they could all do every position. But getting players able to do everything is just so expensive.

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Or we make them. Jones, for example, was an attacker utilised in the front three and now he has the capability to play as a defensive midfielder. Mac can play in any position in midfield and Iím pretty sure Dom can well.

daggerdoo:
Yeah, Jones never loses the ball, Bajetic looks quite press resistant as well. I was sure we needed a pure DM, but i'm now liking this plan of having an insanely fluid midfield that can just switch about.
This midfield is going to be fun to watch over the next ten years.

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