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PaulD:


just listened to Kenny on Jurgen - two men of colossal stature - we are just so lucky.

Crosby Nick 128:
What was the view at the time when we signed Souness? Was he seen as the next big thing and did people expect him to be as good as he was? Grown up hearing all about how incredible he was but how was he at Middlesbrough? And did he not make it at Spurs because he was homesick rather than footballing reasons?

the 92A:

--- Quote from: Crosby Nick on March 24, 2023, 08:37:46 am ---What was the view at the time when we signed Souness? Was he seen as the next big thing and did people expect him to be as good as he was? Grown up hearing all about how incredible he was but how was he at Middlesbrough? And did he not make it at Spurs because he was homesick rather than footballing reasons?

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Cantít answer that without the context, I could write a book on it but the simple answer was football was different then, you didnít expect to hoover up the rising talent because of who you were. Notts Forrest and Ipswich could build fantastic teams, you could be the fantastic player in a team and the team was built around you. There wasnít the same financial pressures, we were just about coming out the age of local factory owners and prestige projects. Souness was great at Borough but unproven, there wasnít 24/7 foootball, European teams were exotic, you only knew any players from the World Cup, if you didnít go the game your football knowledge was limited to Match of the day or sportsnight   Wasnít a great fuss when we signed him rarely was but when he played with a team on his level it was immediately obvious. Dalglishs runs Hansens intelligence at the back a team built to be a machine had a new leader. Not good writing this feel like me Dad

Crosby Nick 128:
Haha cheers. And your write up of him earlier was superb. But just had me thinking because all Iíve seen of him at Liverpool, from his very first season was him being that fully formed grown up, curly hair and tache and just bossing things.

Never really seen or heard anything of his time at Boro (didnít know that about them winning at Anfield for example).

Jookie:

--- Quote from: Crosby Nick on March 24, 2023, 09:22:24 am ---Haha cheers. And your write up of him earlier was superb. But just had me thinking because all Iíve seen of him at Liverpool, from his very first season was him being that fully formed grown up, curly hair and tache and just bossing things.

Never really seen or heard anything of his time at Boro (didnít know that about them winning at Anfield for example).

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Interesting thing about Souness was that he was 25 when he joined Liverpool. He wasn't some 21 year old kid who blossomed over time.

He'd played over 200 games for Middlesborough before joining Liverpool though some of that in the 2nd Division.

I've spoken to my old man about this previously. He was a home and away following the Reds everywhere, and his genuine assessment was that you didn't really know how good Souness was at Boro.  You'd maybe seen him 4 or 5 times when playing against Liverpool and very brief highlights on MOTD. There wasn't much detail to go on despite the transfer fee being a record between English clubs at the time.

That feels a bit odd nowadays because we all have some awareness of virtually every PL player and quite likely players in the top leagues outside of England. I think even in the late 80's the knowledge of players outside of your immediate club wasn't amazing. For example, John Barnes. I choose Barnes because he was similar age (24) when he joined Liverpool and had played nearly 300 games previously for Watford. I was also alive when Barnes joined Liverpool and can remember it! It's 10 years later than Souness but I'm not sure everyone knew how good Barnes was when we signed him. There was probably some more evidence due to Watford's FA Cup run, his goal against Brazil and football being on TV a bit more. Even still a player of that magnitude, who'd been playing top level football in the same country for years, was still a relative unknown in the mid to late 80's.

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