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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #200 on: February 1, 2020, 12:32:02 am »
If its the same place I'm thinking of it was a Victorian rubbish tip.
We had some cracking bottles out of it  8)
Last time I saw it it looked like the surface of the moon  ;D

I don't know of any Victorian tip around there, but you could well be right.

I do know further down what is now known as Rimrose Valley Country Park there was a massive landfill site alongside the canal in between Litherland/Ford and Waterloo/Crosby called Whabbs Tip. It was definitely still a landfill site in the 70s but I can't recall when it was decommissioned. The land was eventually levelled and reclaimed. There is all kinds of stuff under the surface there.
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #201 on: February 1, 2020, 12:46:35 am »
If I recall some Irish itinerants drove into an Orange Lodge parade around there in the 1970s. It was the last thrashing of sectarianism in the City but the area was covered in anti Popery graffiti. There's a good example if this in the 1968 film 'The Reckoning' when a successful businessman returns from London to investigate the death of his dad in the Everton area.

A friend of mine originated in the Scotland Road area. Her family had a shop right by the underground toilets at the Rotunda for decades right up until the 80s. She tells me the young Priscilla White* used to come into the shop and was a cheeky git.  ;D

Anyway, she also told me of the sectarian shenanigans between some locals there and some from up on the Brow back in the day.






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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #202 on: February 1, 2020, 08:13:37 am »
Yes, although it was really the Tailors Arms, it's pretty much always been known locally as Cookson's or Cookies after being run by Jim Cookson after WWII.

Do you mean the Piggeries name? If so, the area was farm land long before the Ford and Pendle estates were built. I can only assume there was a pig farm behind the pub. The Piggeries are a wooded area running alongside the canal. A bit of a weird place too. We used to night fish on the canal opposite the Piggeries and you'd hear all sorts of noises coming from in there. One night a pervert was watching us through the trees directly opposite our swim. We absolutely shit it when he stripped off and started to get into the water. We shot off over the wall like cats on fire. We left our gear on the canal bank and sat in a block of flats on Ford Lane until first light.

Ah, the chicken factory. I remember now. I also remember seeing the workers in all-white clothes and white wellies.  :)

Do you remember the sausage works too?

Yes I remember the sausage works and the white coats and wellies :)

That's interesting about the Piggeries - and what's been added in later posts.

And yes you got Tin Town correct - named after the prefabricated houses. They have some up near Princess Drive near Huyton Cannie Farm too.

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A friend of mine originated in the Scotland Road area. Her family had a shop right by the underground toilets at the Rotunda for decades right up until the 80s. She tells me the young Priscilla White* used to come into the shop and was a cheeky git.  ;D

Anyway, she also told me of the sectarian shenanigans between some locals there and some from up on the Brow back in the day.






*AKA Cilla Black, for our younger viewers.  ;)

Yeh, my mum used to tell us that she also worked as a hat and coat check girl - mum, was never keen on her.

There's Mockney for a Londoner who uses their accent in an exaggerated way to be something they're not - is there any terms for a faux Scouser?

If so, I think she would a contender.

I won't mention John Bishop, whose accent sounds like he's taken lessons from Stan Boardman, as he's from Runcorn isn't he?






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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #203 on: February 1, 2020, 10:05:08 am »
Yes I remember the sausage works and the white coats and wellies :)

That's interesting about the Piggeries - and what's been added in later posts.

And yes you got Tin Town correct - named after the prefabricated houses. They have some up near Princess Drive near Huyton Cannie Farm too.

Yeh, my mum used to tell us that she also worked as a hat and coat check girl - mum, was never keen on her.

There's Mockney for a Londoner who uses their accent in an exaggerated way to be something they're not - is there any terms for a faux Scouser?

If so, I think she would a contender.

I won't mention John Bishop, whose accent sounds like he's taken lessons from Stan Boardman, as he's from Runcorn isn't he?


My Mum was a regular in the Cavern in the early 60's and despised Cilla - jumped up fucking hat check girl she used to call her. As for John Bishop, I used to listen to The Bishops Sunday Service on Radio City yonks ago and he had that thick Scouse accent back then. I do like Bishop and he's good live.

A friend of mine originated in the Scotland Road area. Her family had a shop right by the underground toilets at the Rotunda for decades right up until the 80s. She tells me the young Priscilla White* used to come into the shop and was a cheeky git.  ;D

Anyway, she also told me of the sectarian shenanigans between some locals there and some from up on the Brow back in the day.


My Grandad on my Mums side was in the Lodge, played the big drum according to my Ma. They were from the Brow and he used to love winding the Catholics up, said they used to deliberately march past them on Orange day. He died about 1957.

Good job he didn't live to see his youngest daughter get knocked up and then married to a Catholic from Scotty ;D
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #204 on: February 1, 2020, 11:18:33 am »
I don't know of any Victorian tip around there, but you could well be right.

I do know further down what is now known as Rimrose Valley Country Park there was a massive landfill site alongside the canal in between Litherland/Ford and Waterloo/Crosby called Whabbs Tip. It was definitely still a landfill site in the 70s but I can't recall when it was decommissioned. The land was eventually levelled and reclaimed. There is all kinds of stuff under the surface there.
We used to do our digging all along here  :)

As for John Bishop, I used to listen to The Bishops Sunday Service on Radio City yonks ago and he had that thick Scouse accent back then. I do like Bishop and he's good live.
Me and the lads were driving back from Wales one Sunday listening to The Bishops Sunday Service.
They were going on about The Who, and Bishop goes... "Well I'm sorry but every time I hear Pete Townsend, I think kiddy fiddler!"
We nearly crashed the fuckng car as we were laughing so much   :lmao
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #205 on: February 1, 2020, 11:35:54 am »
............................ Also lots of ''God Bless Our Pope'' too.


I remember similar written on the railway wall in Marsh street (off Hawthorne Road in Bootle).  It was only there for a week when someone added "ye" on the end.

My Da always used to mention The Rotunda, My Mam still does, I think it was in the Scottie, Stanley Road, Boundary St triangle but I never saw it as an actual building.  Any recall?
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #206 on: February 1, 2020, 12:13:02 pm »
We used to do our digging all along here  :)
Me and the lads were driving back from Wales one Sunday listening to The Bishops Sunday Service.
They were going on about The Who, and Bishop goes... "Well I'm sorry but every time I hear Pete Townsend, I think kiddy fiddler!"
We nearly crashed the fuckng car as we were laughing so much   :lmao

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #207 on: February 1, 2020, 12:26:35 pm »
It was only there for a week when someone added "ye" on the end.



ha ha -  ;D

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #208 on: February 1, 2020, 01:22:46 pm »
Never done it but isn't that a little bit of resin?



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« Reply #209 on: February 1, 2020, 01:30:56 pm »


For sure

We have grown up completely different.. :D

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #210 on: February 1, 2020, 06:31:03 pm »
We used to do our digging all along here  :)

Spot on. That's the Piggeries in the picture.  :thumbup
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #211 on: February 1, 2020, 06:39:39 pm »
I remember similar written on the railway wall in Marsh street (off Hawthorne Road in Bootle).  It was only there for a week when someone added "ye" on the end.

My Da always used to mention The Rotunda, My Mam still does, I think it was in the Scottie, Stanley Road, Boundary St triangle but I never saw it as an actual building.  Any recall?

The Rotunda Theatre was destroyed in the Blitz in 1941. I've only ever remembered it as open green space with trees on. You are spot on with the location.

Pope'ye'  ;D   I like it.
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #212 on: February 1, 2020, 08:35:43 pm »
The Triangle.

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« Reply #213 on: February 8, 2020, 10:12:41 pm »


And the Chickeny was 2 things:

1. A chicken factory on Bridle Road where they would slaughter chickens.
When we were kids hanging around Dodge in the 70's, we'd get into the containers, in the container base, stash the boxes of whatever we'd got on the Ghostie, and bunk off school the next day and sell any clothes etc to the girls in the chickeny, them Marks and Spencer jumpers were always good sellers ;D 
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #214 on: February 9, 2020, 05:43:42 pm »
When we were kids hanging around Dodge in the 70's, we'd get into the containers, in the container base, stash the boxes of whatever we'd got on the Ghostie, and bunk off school the next day and sell any clothes etc to the girls in the chickeny, them Marks and Spencer jumpers were always good sellers ;D

I have to admit it that I too hung around with a gang of mates and also used to take boxes of crisps from vans parked just off Ormskirk Road and run over the 'live' railway and stash them on the Ingy to sell that at school - wot a little nipper I was  :wave

Of course we never hurt anyone or stole from old ladies etc but possibly, maybe it was wrong but I was a kid  ;D
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #215 on: October 26, 2021, 02:43:23 am »
The welsh cathedral.
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« Reply #216 on: October 31, 2021, 05:38:56 pm »
When we were kids hanging around Dodge in the 70's, we'd get into the containers, in the container base, stash the boxes of whatever we'd got on the Ghostie, and bunk off school the next day and sell any clothes etc to the girls in the chickeny, them Marks and Spencer jumpers were always good sellers ;D 

I was a minor low ranking member of The Vale Boot boys and we used to get legged by Dodge in the early 70's 😁

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« Reply #217 on: November 6, 2021, 08:29:02 pm »
Tiger Bay. Top end of Moss Lane from Orrell Park Station getting on towards Southport Road.
Fearsome area with a bad reputation... when their mob visited your area ( the Vale) it was wise to make yourself invisible 😁

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« Reply #218 on: November 14, 2021, 09:58:36 pm »
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« Reply #220 on: November 14, 2021, 11:09:40 pm »
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #221 on: November 16, 2021, 12:29:49 am »
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #222 on: November 16, 2021, 01:25:28 pm »
Well in   ;D

When I was a kid my dad warned me not to go there as there were whirlpools and I'd drown.

So for reasons of child protection I was limited to playing in and around bombed houses in and around Mill Street.

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #223 on: November 16, 2021, 09:01:50 pm »
When I was a kid my dad warned me not to go there as there were whirlpools and I'd drown.

So for reasons of child protection I was limited to playing in and around bombed houses in and around Mill Street.

I didn't know you was from the Dingle.

You may like this that I found a few nights ago.

https://gerryco23.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-dingle-digging-into-the-past/
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #224 on: November 17, 2021, 08:40:33 pm »
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #225 on: November 17, 2021, 09:46:55 pm »
Brilliant that Kesey i`m not from dingle but worked on the festival site when they were doing it, unbelievable what it was like before.

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« Reply #226 on: November 17, 2021, 10:50:03 pm »
I didn't know you was from the Dingle.

You may like this that I found a few nights ago.

https://gerryco23.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-dingle-digging-into-the-past/

Not Dingle related but saw the piece on the link about Oglet shore. We'd get the 85 up to Speke and walk down to the shore. Once we found a beer keg washed up on the shore and being curious 11 year olds battered it with stones to try and get some beer out. Didn't work though.

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« Reply #227 on: November 17, 2021, 10:52:21 pm »
Brilliant that Kesey i`m not from dingle but worked on the festival site when they were doing it, unbelievable what it was like before.

The festival was built over the old Otterspool Tip. Spent many a happy afternoon skiving down there when disposing of broken beer glasses which had failed accuracy tests.

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« Reply #228 on: November 18, 2021, 09:14:11 am »
A friend of mine originated in the Scotland Road area. Her family had a shop right by the underground toilets at the Rotunda for decades right up until the 80s. She tells me the young Priscilla White* used to come into the shop and was a cheeky git.  ;D

Anyway, she also told me of the sectarian shenanigans between some locals there and some from up on the Brow back in the day.






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« Reply #229 on: November 19, 2021, 06:03:53 pm »
When I was a nipper I went out with a girl who's family knew her really well and they thought she was a complete knobhead.

I was being a bit diplomatic in that post. I heard exactly the same as what you said there.
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« Reply #230 on: November 19, 2021, 06:40:52 pm »
I was being a bit diplomatic in that post. I heard exactly the same as what you said there.

As I said earlier in the thread, my Ma hated the "jumped up fucking hat check girl".
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« Reply #231 on: November 19, 2021, 10:13:48 pm »
As I said earlier in the thread, my Ma hated the "jumped up fucking hat check girl".

I've heard similar derogatory comments about Lennon and Tarbuck.

Sour grapes, urban myth or truth?

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« Reply #232 on: November 22, 2021, 12:17:14 am »
I've heard similar derogatory comments about Lennon and Tarbuck.

Sour grapes, urban myth or truth?

My mum’s uncle was a bassist and used to be mates with Lennon and McCartney. His mum (my great Nan) wouldn’t let John Lennon in the house because he was a “scruffy little get”.

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #233 on: November 22, 2021, 06:56:29 am »
I was being a bit diplomatic in that post. I heard exactly the same as what you said there.
My grandad was her headteacher. He spent a lot of time with her and her family supporting her with her music career.  He always said she turned out quite well considering her upbringing.
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« Reply #234 on: November 5, 2022, 09:41:45 pm »
My grandad was her headteacher. He spent a lot of time with her and her family supporting her with her music career.  He always said she turned out quite well considering her upbringing.

What a fascinating thread .. The Piggeries was where a lads bodies was hidden, killed by his best-mate.

Have to take exception to Cilla’s poor upbringing. her Mum was one of the most popular women on Scottie, and universally loved. Nothing wrong with her upbringing but I have yet to meet anyone who had any time for Cilla  They all thought was a stuck up cow, and that was before she was famous.

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #235 on: November 6, 2022, 02:19:23 am »
What a fascinating thread .. The Piggeries was where a lads bodies was hidden, killed by his best-mate.

Have to take exception to Cilla’s poor upbringing. her Mum was one of the most popular women on Scottie, and universally loved. Nothing wrong with her upbringing but I have yet to meet anyone who had any time for Cilla  They all thought was a stuck up cow, and that was before she was famous.

Cilla's mum took one of our dog's pups - it was a source of great pride to me in the 70s schoolyard  ;D

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #236 on: November 22, 2022, 08:42:12 pm »
What a fascinating thread .. The Piggeries was where a lads bodies was hidden, killed by his best-mate.

Have to take exception to Cilla’s poor upbringing. her Mum was one of the most popular women on Scottie, and universally loved. Nothing wrong with her upbringing but I have yet to meet anyone who had any time for Cilla  They all thought was a stuck up cow, and that was before she was famous.

My Ma was a Cavern regular early 60's and referred to her as a fucking jumped up hat check girl.
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #237 on: November 23, 2022, 09:37:41 am »
My Ma was a Cavern regular early 60's and referred to her as a fucking jumped up hat check girl.

my aunties said the same

seemed she used her scouse-ness to elevate her image and then lived on that for the rest of her life
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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #238 on: November 23, 2022, 04:09:07 pm »
my aunties said the same

seemed she used her scouse-ness to elevate her image and then lived on that for the rest of her life
Her and Tarbuck rode in on The Beatles coat-tails.

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Re: Place names not on the map
« Reply #239 on: November 23, 2022, 09:49:01 pm »
Her and Tarbuck rode in on The Beatles coat-tails.

Was Tarbuck sporting Terry Thomas’s diamond cigarette holder while he was riding on the Beatles coat tails? ;D