Topic: 2017/18 Champions League group stage draw. Thursday 24th August at 5pm

[Barneylfc∗]

This is annoying. I'm away on holiday.

They've got TVs in other countries 

[Barneylfc∗]

Are we away first leg and home second leg in the playoff round? or does it depend on the draw?

Depends on the draw. We'll not know until August 4th

[G a r y]

One of the lads in work said we are away first because we are seeded?

[Andy Hunter]

I haven't watched a Champions League game since our game with Basel. And the same before that season with Fiorentina in 2009.

The Champions League without Liverpool is like going to a concert, only to watch the backing singers. 

So glad our presence makes this competition a big deal again.

[Barneylfc∗]

One of the lads in work said we are away first because we are seeded?

Unless there has been a rule change I can't find, then it is drawn on the same day as the play off draw. Last season, 3 of the seeded teams were drawn at home first. Ajax, Villareal, and Porto

[G a r y]

Unless there has been a rule change I can't find, then it is drawn on the same day as the play off draw. Last season, 3 of the seeded teams were drawn at home first. Ajax, Villareal, and Porto

No idea mate, he's probably chatting shit to be fair. Wouldn't be the first time haha

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[JCB]

So let me get this right,

If but for a different set of results in Russia/Germany not only would we have been unseeded but we would have had to play 2 extra games to qualify?

If so, Sweet.

Also can someone explain what the second set of numbers in the seeded coefficients in the OP are? My guess was initially highest coeff rating attained in the past but that can't be right as surely we would have been higher than Sevilla?? Is it maybe one o the other England possible entries  (ie Arsenal/Man City)

[Gods_Left_Boot]

So let me get this right,

If but for a different set of results in Russia/Germany not only would we have been unseeded but we would have had to play 2 extra games to qualify?

If so, Sweet.

Also can someone explain what the second set of numbers in the seeded coefficients in the OP are? My guess was initially highest coeff rating attained in the past but that can't be right as surely we would have been higher than Sevilla?? Is it maybe one o the other England possible entries  (ie Arsenal/Man City)

No, the amount of preliminary matches would've been the same, just one round, but being seeded we should be able to avoid the more difficult ties, on paper at least.

[Kelvinlfc]

You just know we're going to get Balotelli's Nice 

[Koprich]

The unseeded teams are a bit of a mixed bag but none that should have us seriously worried. If we can't beat any of those over 2 legs then we wouldn't last long in the actual competition.

I back us to do the business in the qualifiers.

[JCB]

No, the amount of preliminary matches would've been the same, just one round, but being seeded we should be able to avoid the more difficult ties, on paper at least.

Cheers, It's just there are 5 seeded teams and 10 unseeded. I assumed the unseeded played each other first and the winners then played the seeded. Now I'm even more confused

[HeartAndSoul]

A reminder we cannot face Celtic in the qualifiers as they have their own League Champions qualification playoffs

How does this work?  I'm sure they enter in the second round. So they play a bunch of champions from more obscure leagues to qualify in both second and third round?

This is all very confusing 

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Cheers, It's just there are 5 seeded teams and 10 unseeded. I assumed the unseeded played each other first and the winners then played the seeded. Now I'm even more confused

The non-champions from lesser nations have an extra stage before us, Spain, Germany, Italy etc

How does this work?  I'm sure they enter in the second round. So they play a bunch of champions from more obscure leagues to qualify in both second and third round?

This is all very confusing 

Champions from lesser nations are separate to the non-champions from bigger nations and lesser nations. Platini introduced this in order to get more Champions in the Champions League group stage.

[JCB]

Cheers, 

It's starting to make sense now. Platini, didn't half confuse the fuck out of a simple process 

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Cheers, 

It's starting to make sense now. Platini, didn't half confuse the fuck out of a simple process 

I think it's one of the better things he did - it is the Champions League after all, as nice as it is for ourselves to have four guaranteed group stage spots from next season.

[flamingapeshead]

Looks like someone's put a lot of effort into updating the Wikipedia page on this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_UEFA_Champions_League

Is it correct that if Ajax don't win tomorrow night then they're in the previous qualifying round and only become a seed if they get through it?

[classycarra]

Viktoria's Pilsner please. Don't want Sporting or Hoffenheim

[classycarra]

That was pretty normal in the communist countries. The Army would get several thousand tickets for some interesting game, and the best solders would get those tickets as a reward. I watched Red Star Belgrade - AC Milan back in the autumn of 1988 that way.

You would say that

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Looks like someone's put a lot of effort into updating the Wikipedia page on this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_UEFA_Champions_League

Is it correct that if Ajax don't win tomorrow night then they're in the previous qualifying round and only become a seed if they get through it?

Yep. But we're guaranteed to be seeded anyway so it doesn't matter.

[RedSince86]

Also the 2 legs will be around the time we have 3-4 league games under our belt.

Draw a good team or not,we'll be firing on all cylinders by then playing a heavy metal football tempo with the intense high pressing game included,the unseeded teams will be praying not to draw us.

Nothing to worry about here.

[zero zero]

Viktoria's Pilsner please. Don't want Sporting or Hoffenheim

Yep. She sounds good for a laugh.

[Shanklygates]

Also the 2 legs will be around the time we have 3-4 league games under our belt.

Draw a good team or not,we'll be firing on all cylinders by then playing a heavy metal football tempo with the intense high pressing game included,the unseeded teams will be praying not to draw us.

Nothing to worry about here.

One/two games! 15/22nd Aug. Season starts on the 12th

[newterp]

One/two games! 15/22nd Aug. Season starts on the 12th

It's just makes getting our transfer business done early that much more important.

[Purple Red]

It's just makes getting our transfer business done early that much more important.

Indeed. Everything needs to be in place by the beginning of August at the latest.

[Andy Hunter]

You just know we're going to get Balotelli's Nice 

Sounds like a posh foreign restaurant in town when you put it like that 

[Suedehead]

If a team loses in the final qualifying round, do they drop into the Europa or are they out altogether?

[plura]

If a team loses in the final qualifying round, do they drop into the Europa or are they out altogether?

Out together and relegated to a lower division because of the shame.

[zip]

Could someone confirm whether Ibe is cup-tied for this?

[Tjfruits]

Are Lisbon seeded or unseeded?

[Antoine Lavoisier]

Has 4th place always been a "into the playoff" for the Premier League teams it did it once have all four in?

Before I have this debate with me arl fella

[Linudden]

Very fortunate not to be able to draw Sevilla. Not only are they devastating at times  and also just imagine a 20:45 local time kick off still under the sun coming from a 40C day in Seville. The place is scary hot during summer and it's not at all impossible that it could be 37C at kick off. It was around 34C underneath the night sky when they kicked off the 2013-14 season at 11 pm (!) local time 

Whoever it is from the unseeded pool there can be no excuses not to win. Sporting would be the one I'd fancy the least to meet though. Portuguese sides are bloody difficult at home.

[TheBigRedFatPanda]

Out together and relegated to a lower division because of the shame.

Not if your blue shite. Then there is no shame 

[Gods_Left_Boot]

Are Lisbon seeded or unseeded?

Most likely unseeded. The next unseeded club to move to seeded after us would be Roma (if they finish third), then Brugge, then Lisbon.

If I'm not mistaken, their only chance would be if Ajax win tomorrow and Dynamo Kiev lose in the previous preliminary round.

[alvaro]

Are Lisbon seeded or unseeded?

The short answer is very very likely to be unseeded.  They are currently the 4th best seeded team in the final round ( worse than Liverpool, Sevilla, Napoli/Roma better than Hoffenheim). They can only be passed by one more team and they are like 5 teams that could pass them. If Ajax wins the EL they would get a boost because that would give Nice a bye to the final round and it would be one less team that can pass them. They will still need 3 out of the 4 unseeded teams to win in the 3rd round though. Its not looking good for them.

[redprodigal]

They've got TVs in other countries 

 

[tray fenny]

If we play Ajax in the CL 3rd round qualifier proper will the champions of a lesser nation get seeded status in the EL group stage?

[alvaro]

If we play Ajax in the CL 3rd round qualifier proper will the champions of a lesser nation get seeded status in the EL group stage?

We cant play Ajax, if they advance to the final qualfying round they are locked to be seeded. The only teams we are sure we are not playing are Sevilla, Napoli/Roma, Dynamo Kiev and Ajax. We could play anybody else.

EDIT: With regards to the EL seeding in the group stage, we should be seeded for that if we end up there. However if we end up on the EL via the 3rd place in our CL group it depends on our point tally compared to the other third teams.

[PeterTheRed ...]

You would say that

Our battalion commander was very much into this. He would tell us a month ahead that he has 5 tickets for some good game, and we would kill ourselves sucking up and doing our duties perfectly 

[Farman]

You just know we're going to get Balotelli's Nice 

That's about the only time I'd be buying a 50/50 scarf.

LIVERPOOL V. NICE

[oojason]

That's about the only time I'd be buying a 50/50 scarf.

LIVERPOOL V. NICE