Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread

[dakid]

Was it confirmed anywhere the full extent of the injury Glatzel got?

[ElPayaso]

Was it confirmed anywhere the full extent of the injury Glatzel got?

I've also been looking for something more on Glatzels injury, but haven't found anything except Jürgen saying it's serious, not sure if that means he'll miss the rest of the pre-season or the rest of the season. I guess the big question is if it's the ACL or not, I really hope not.

[HopefulRed]

Bit disappointed that they’ve not covered any of the academy warm up matches this summer.  The U23s wouldn’t have harmed anyone because they’ve all had previous exposure.  Saw on press box on LFC yesterday that John Bradley said Liam Millar absolutely bossed it in their last match when he was on the pitch. 

They’re meant to be playing Coventry  (from 1900).  Would have been good as a warm up to the seniors tonight. 

[HopefulRed]

Perhaps not worth watching after all.  Found a site, livescore18.com, that says it’s 0-0 in the 69th minute and we have had no shot at all, on or off target.  At least it is good practice to be playing against a senior, or representational of a senior team.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Doesn't say which ligament, but Glatzel has had surgery on his knee. Klopp wants him doing his rehab at Melwood just like Brewster so I'd imagine he'll be training full time with the first team when he's back fit.

Paul Glatzel undergoes successful surgery

Liverpool FC can confirm Paul Glatzel has successfully undergone surgery after an injury suffered in the pre-season friendly against Tranmere Rovers.

The 18-year-old will now commence his rehabilitation at Melwood at the request of manager Jürgen Klopp.

Glatzel was making his debut in the Liverpool first team when he sustained damage to a knee ligament during the second half of the game at Prenton Park on July 11.

The striker captained the U18s to FA Youth Cup victory last season, scoring the decisive penalty in the shootout that decided the final. He also broke into the U23s by the end of the campaign.

Neil Critchley, manager of Liverpool U23s, said: “Paul will receive all the support he needs from ourselves as an Academy and from the medical staff at Melwood during what will be a tough period of rehab.

“Luckily, we know Paul has the strength of character to overcome this setback and we look forward to seeing his talents back out on the pitch.”

[NsRed]

Doesn't say which ligament, but Glatzel has had surgery on his knee. Klopp wants him doing his rehab at Melwood just like Brewster so I'd imagine he'll be training full time with the first team when he's back fit.

Real shame for Glatzel, had a feeling Klopp fancied him as well. Hardworking, talented finisher and good linking play. Unfortunately his injury record is already extensive for a young lad, but hopefully he makes a full recovery.

[NsRed]

Just me or have we heard of fewer preseason matches for the youth teams so far this summer?

[HopefulRed]

Just me or have we heard of fewer preseason matches for the youth teams so far this summer?

No, I agree.  If you look at the website the U23s have played 5 and the U18s only 3, last time out being last Saturday so surely playing again today.  Still you would think more so they can get a whole squad playing minutes.  Indirectly they may be getting minutes in with so many still U18s playing up pre- season, like Bearne, o’rourke and  Ritaccio.  I wonder what the size of the new first year U18s squad is.

[NsRed]

No, I agree.  If you look at the website the U23s have played 5 and the U18s only 3, last time out being last Saturday so surely playing again today.  Still you would think more so they can get a whole squad playing minutes.  Indirectly they may be getting minutes in with so many still U18s playing up pre- season, like Bearne, o’rourke and  Ritaccio.  I wonder what the size of the new first year U18s squad is.

That’s kind of what I’ve been wondering myself as well. We’ve heard a little bit about a couple of new boys with the u18s, like Layton Stewart, but nothing definitive on who will be taking the step up this year.

[plura]

Liverpool FC confirm signing of Harvey Elliott

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/358354-liverpool-fc-confirm-signing-of-harvey-elliott.

We will see if he belongs to the senior team for most of the season eventually.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Interesting that Phillips, Jones and Woodburn have all been sent to train with the U23s and aren't joining the first team in Evian. There was space for Lewis, Larouci, Elliott and Duncan though. I'm guessing with Elliott that Klopp thinks its beneficial to essentially have his induction with the first team, as it'd be quite surprising if he was now ahead of Jones/Woodburn?

[newterp]

Interesting that Phillips, Jones and Woodburn have all been sent to train with the U23s and aren't joining the first team in Evian. There was space for Lewis, Larouci, Elliott and Duncan though. I'm guessing with Elliott that Klopp thinks its beneficial to essentially have his induction with the first team, as it'd be quite surprising if he was now ahead of Jones/Woodburn?

Phillips isn't near the first team - he probably needs a loan. Woodburn needs an effective loan where he shines - he's fallen back dramatically - but that is simply how it goes.

Jones will be with the u23s and likely get a chance in a cup or 2 this season - he's 18 (turns 19 in January) - so this is likely an important year for his progress.

[TepidT2O]

Can I just say...

Hoever is brilliant .... 

Could be some player that one

[Chris~]

Interesting that Phillips, Jones and Woodburn have all been sent to train with the U23s and aren't joining the first team in Evian. There was space for Lewis, Larouci, Elliott and Duncan though. I'm guessing with Elliott that Klopp thinks its beneficial to essentially have his induction with the first team, as it'd be quite surprising if he was now ahead of Jones/Woodburn?

Elliott was likely promised he'd be training with the first team to get him to sign over other teams and fulham. 

Jones' situation is going to depend on if he signs a new contract.

[HopefulRed]

Interesting that Phillips, Jones and Woodburn have all been sent to train with the U23s and aren't joining the first team in Evian. There was space for Lewis, Larouci, Elliott and Duncan though. I'm guessing with Elliott that Klopp thinks its beneficial to essentially have his induction with the first team, as it'd be quite surprising if he was now ahead of Jones/Woodburn?

Seems entirely logical to me.  Jones has trained for a year and a half with the first team.  Now needs games, presumably via a loan if he signs a contract.  Woodburn the same, he missed half a season not playing last year.  The others have not trained so much with the firsts and Elliott in particular needs o understand what is involved in playing the Klopp way.  Remember Robertson, Ox, Fabinho, Keita, had to learn over time, being the best part of half a season.  That’s not to say they are proper first team squad members like those just mentioned, but they would benefit from longer training with the firsts. 

[NsRed]

Elliott was likely promised he'd be training with the first team to get him to sign over other teams and fulham. 

Jones' situation is going to depend on if he signs a new contract.

What’s his contract situation and is there any reason to believe he wouldn’t extend it?

[LiamG]

Woodburn has gone on loan to Oxford United

[[new username under construction]]

Woodburn has gone on loan to Oxford United

If he can't make it there then something is very wrong

[Redman78]

Yeah I think this loan move could be make or break for Ben. He really needs to impress.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

Is that Ben Woodburn done as a Liverpool player then? Only 19, but this move does not seem to bode well for his long-term prospects here. 

[El Lobo]

Is that Ben Woodburn done as a Liverpool player then? Only 19, but this move does not seem to bode well for his long-term prospects here.

Based on literally nothing....I wonder if he’s maybe not applied himself to the level he’s needed to. He’s only 19 still, if he goes there, knuckles down and does well there’s still no reason he can’t but yeah it’s probably a little underwhelming

[farawayred]

Is that Ben Woodburn done as a Liverpool player then? Only 19, but this move does not seem to bode well for his long-term prospects here. 

Was Origi done last year? He was definitely on the verge of being out, but he turned it around. I think the same holds true for Woodburn, if this loan doesn't work for him, he'll be out. At 19 he still has a chance, but has seemingly not developed as expected. 

[PhaseOfPlay]

Was Origi done last year? He was definitely on the verge of being out, but he turned it around. I think the same holds true for Woodburn, if this loan doesn't work for him, he'll be out. At 19 he still has a chance, but has seemingly not developed as expected.

Different physical profile, though. Origi is a solid athlete. Woodburn is more a technical player.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

And to be fair to Origi, he had scored goals at the highest level and was a full international for a very, very good national side.

The questions about Origi, for me, have always been whether he fits the way we play and not whether he is good enough to be a top-flight player. He has proven that he is. Woodburn is yet to prove anything at all other than he looks as if he may have some potential. It worries me that no better teams seem to have been in for him, though it is possible that they may have been.

[farawayred]

Different physical profile, though. Origi is a solid athlete. Woodburn is more a technical player.

Fair. But I wasn't comparing the players, just their respective opportunities for having future at the club.

[RyanBabel19]

The quality is there with Woodburn in terms of ability, physically he's not particularly big or quick but he's smart and uses the ball well. My biggest concern for him is the possibility of becoming that jack of all trades, master of none type player. What's his best position? Is he a CM or forward? CAM? Winger? Striker? He CAN play in a few positions but where is he going to excel and what does his skillset best lend itself to?

[Boaty McBoatface]

Woodburn has gone on loan to Oxford United

I can see him learning a lot at Oxford.

[WidnesJon]

I can see him learning a lot at Oxford.

Get the feeling he might become self pitying and sentimental, that's the problem when you're Magdalen.

Cheers
Jon

[phil236849]

Get the feeling he might become self pitying and sentimental, that's the problem when you're Magdalen.

Cheers
Jon

😁

[Cpt_Reina]

Woodburn has fallen foul of having no outstanding physical attribute, this is always a huge obstacle for a player looking to breakthrough in their teens if they dont have either some pace, strength, stamina in their locker.

Wilson is a good comparison point for this, he's now 22 and looks capable of mixing it with full grown men in a physical sense despite not being any sort of athlete. He started looking like he was getting there when at Hull around 20/21 and now finally he's got there.

Woodburn *might* see a similar transition in around a year or so, you'd hope so.

He also needs to be in an environment and setup which will use him in central areas, because he's no wide player. But again this is hard to find when you're still built like a kid and get pushed around.

Big year for him but wouldnt be too quick to say he's finished just yet.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Woodburn clearly has some very good qualities but doesn't have the combination of qualities to fill any particular role. He's too slow for a role as an attacker and doesn't have the physicality or dynamism to play in midfield. Shame really as he did look technically gifted and intelligent.

[BarryCrocker]

Woodburn clearly has some very good qualities but doesn't have the combination of qualities to fill any particular role. He's too slow for a role as an attacker and doesn't have the physicality or dynamism to play in midfield. Shame really as he did look technically gifted and intelligent.

Are you saying he's the next Frank Lampard?

[Mighty_Red]

Suprised we didn't try to offer Ben to Rangers (perhaps we did).

This really is a make or break move for Ben in terms of his overall career path let alone at Liverpool. Having to drop down to a 3rd tier club is bad enough and is fraught with risk - the type of league it is means that he won't be able to make full use of his technical abilities. Hopefully this will toughen him up mentality and physically.

He is obviously way to young to be classed as a failure, but with each loan move that doesn't come off it makes it harder to find a team willing to develop him in the right way.

[[new username under construction]]

Suprised we didn't try to offer Ben to Rangers (perhaps we did).

I'm still thinking it's mostly an attitude thing, Saw him in some U23 games and just didn't look arsed but sometimes best player there. I think maybe Gerrard knows this

[Fordy]

I'm still thinking it's mostly an attitude thing, Saw him in some U23 games and just didn't look arsed but sometimes best player there. I think maybe Gerrard knows this

Let's not make things up.

[[new username under construction]]

Let's not make things up.

How is seeing him looking like he couldn't be bothered making things up?

[AshLFC]

I think Robinson has done well getting him there. Hopefully he'll flourish under him and come back a better player.

[Fordy]

How is seeing him looking like he couldn't be bothered making things up?

Because it's not true.

[[new username under construction]]

Because it's not true.

That he looked like he couldn't be bothered sometimes? Of course it can be true. He also looked great in U23 games, is that not true either?

[Barefoot Doctor]

First professional contract for Ki-Jana Hoever:
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/358760-ki-jana-hoever-signs-new-long-term-liverpool-fc-contract