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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6440 on: October 18, 2017, 09:56:40 am »
Every Spurs player out there was superb but special mention to Harry Winks.

I think England have their very own Modric type player coming through. To be just 21, playing CL games away to Madrid in CM versus Modric (who has been the best CM in the world since his Spurs days), Kroos and Isco and not look out of place, is remarkable.

He doesn't give the ball away, always looks to play forward and positive,his passing stats last night

Passing accuracy full-time update: Luka Modric: 87.7% Harry Winks 90.9%

He's the continental type passing possession based central midfielder England have craved for years. Many Spurs fans put a bet on Winks going to the world cup last year, at 15-1....I think it's a guarantee injury permitting.

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Harry Winks : Modric

Behave. Jay Spearing looked class in Madrid too mate.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6441 on: October 18, 2017, 10:02:09 am »
Every Spurs player out there was superb but special mention to Harry Winks.

I think England have their very own Modric type player coming through. To be just 21, playing CL games away to Madrid in CM versus Modric (who has been the best CM in the world since his Spurs days), Kroos and Isco and not look out of place, is remarkable.

He doesn't give the ball away, always looks to play forward and positive,his passing stats last night

Passing accuracy full-time update: Luka Modric: 87.7% Harry Winks 90.9%

He's the continental type passing possession based central midfielder England have craved for years. Many Spurs fans put a bet on Winks going to the world cup last year, at 15-1....I think it's a guarantee injury permitting.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6442 on: October 18, 2017, 10:21:56 am »
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Harry Winks : Modric

Behave. Jay Spearing looked class in Madrid too mate.

Winks is brilliant, I wish he was ours. He's gonna be a star

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6443 on: October 18, 2017, 10:28:02 am »
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Harry Winks : Modric

Behave. Jay Spearing looked class in Madrid too mate.

Seeing as Modric played at Spurs for four years, I am well placed to make the comparison. Whether Winks will ever make it to the very top of the game like Modric is impossible to say.

What I will say though is at 21 Modric certainly wasn't playing at the top of PL football and in the CL against the european champions like Winks is.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6444 on: October 18, 2017, 10:39:55 am »
Winks is quality.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6445 on: October 18, 2017, 11:03:47 am »
Harry Winks might be the best English talent since English talent was invented.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6446 on: October 18, 2017, 11:05:57 am »
I'm old enough to remember Wilshere's performance against Barcelona - one good game against top opposition doesn't guarantee anything.

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« Reply #6447 on: October 18, 2017, 11:32:22 am »
Amazing the hype over a draw away against a early season Real Madrid in the group stages where Lloris from what i've read pulled off quite a few saves to keep them in the game.

In the knockout stages this Real Madrid team is a different animal.

Last time i saw hype like this for such a performance away at a Spanish Giant was when Dynamo Kiev beat Barca 4-0 in the Nou Camp in the late 90's....That hype was justified.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6448 on: October 18, 2017, 11:46:22 am »
Some of you are childish to the point you can't see quality in oppositions players, every player is overhyped, then what about Woodburn and Trent Arnold?

In regards to Winks he does look very good composed intelligent, very neat sort of how i would imagine Brannagan to play like if he had fully blossomed.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6449 on: October 18, 2017, 11:48:43 am »
Some of you are childish to the point you can't see quality in oppositions players, every player is overhyped, then what about Woodburn and Trent Arnold?

In regards to Winks he does look very good composed intelligent, very neat sort of how i would imagine Brannagan to play like if he had fully blossomed.

To be fair you are as bad in the opposite way and seemingly worship every opposition player. We smack Maribor 7-0 and your only comment is to big up a Tottenham player  ;D

And now in the City thread wanking over Stones.  ;D
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6450 on: October 18, 2017, 11:49:27 am »
Some of you are childish to the point you can't see quality in oppositions players, every player is overhyped, then what about Woodburn and Trent Arnold?

In regards to Winks he does look very good composed intelligent, very neat sort of how i would imagine Brannagan to play like if he had fully blossomed.

True but we haven't compared Woodburn to Coutinho for example or TAA to Gareth Bale have we.

As that's what's just happened with Harry fucking Winks and Modric.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6451 on: October 18, 2017, 11:52:30 am »
To be fair you are as bad in the opposite way and seemingly worship every opposition player. We smack Maribor 7-0 and your only comment is to big up a Tottenham player  ;D


What opposition player do i worship? :D Strange.

The only time i even remember talking to you is in regards Suso a former LFC player who i had a fondness for partly because of that reason, in the same thread actually many have noted your peculiar bitterness.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6452 on: October 18, 2017, 12:04:07 pm »
Every Spurs player out there was superb but special mention to Harry Winks.

I think England have their very own Modric type player coming through. To be just 21, playing CL games away to Madrid in CM versus Modric (who has been the best CM in the world since his Spurs days), Kroos and Isco and not look out of place, is remarkable.

He doesn't give the ball away, always looks to play forward and positive,his passing stats last night

Passing accuracy full-time update: Luka Modric: 87.7% Harry Winks 90.9%

He's the continental type passing possession based central midfielder England have craved for years. Many Spurs fans put a bet on Winks going to the world cup last year, at 15-1....I think it's a guarantee injury permitting.



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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6453 on: October 18, 2017, 12:09:51 pm »
I'm old enough to remember Wilshere's performance against Barcelona - one good game against top opposition doesn't guarantee anything.

To be fair, Wilshere could easily have been so much more. A poor attitude and a poorer injury record meant that never happened.

What Primativ said sounds pretty hyperbolic and perhaps jumping the gun, he has only compared their style, not their quality. The fact is Winks was part of a midfield 2 with Sissoko of all players (who actually had a decent game himself) against Modric, Kroos, Casemiro and at time Isco. Obviously he wasn't up against the 3/4 of them all at once all the time, but he wasn't overawed, wasn't overrun and was actually pretty good.

If one of your academy products had put that performance in I'm sure you would all be happy and I wouldn't blame you, when TAA was playing well earlier this year I was in here commenting on how good he looked, I told my friend how good Kent (I am pretty sure it was Kent, the tricky winger?) looked when I happened to catch one of your preseason games. Football is football no matter who you support and there are few things as exciting as a promising young player, especially an academy product like Winks, TAA and Kent.

What's so bad about being excited about these players futures?
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6454 on: October 18, 2017, 12:12:29 pm »


Gotta agree with you there. Pretty close, in my opinion anyway, but Xavi still edges for me. I think since Xavi finished up though Modric has definitely been alone at the top for central midfield.
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« Reply #6455 on: October 18, 2017, 01:10:48 pm »
True but we haven't compared Woodburn to Coutinho for example or TAA to Gareth Bale have we.

As that's what's just happened with Harry fucking Winks and Modric.

Except I didn't did I. I compared their style of play...are you seriously that thick that you thought I was comparing the ability of Winks to Modric?!

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« Reply #6456 on: October 18, 2017, 01:50:36 pm »
Gotta agree with you there. Pretty close, in my opinion anyway, but Xavi still edges for me. I think since Xavi finished up though Modric has definitely been alone at the top for central midfield.

Yeah Modric is brilliant and, as you say, probably the best post Xavi CM. There does seem to be a dearth of brilliant CMs at the moment though compared to, say, 15 years ago where it'd probably be fair to say he'd be below the likes of Gerrard, Keane, Vieira, Scholes, Fat Frank, Ballack, Pirlo, etc. Great fucking player though.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6457 on: October 18, 2017, 02:07:57 pm »
Except I didn't did I. I compared their style of play...are you seriously that thick that you thought I was comparing the ability of Winks to Modric?!

your username is very apt.


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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6458 on: October 18, 2017, 02:09:25 pm »
It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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« Reply #6460 on: October 18, 2017, 02:17:25 pm »
I'm old enough to remember Wilshere's performance against Barcelona - one good game against top opposition doesn't guarantee anything.

Very very true.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6461 on: October 18, 2017, 03:31:06 pm »
As always, spurs fans have to justify having a young player who actually excites them and looks like a real prospect.  If you want to see how bad it is just look at the threads about Harry Kane and 1 season wonder comments to see how hard it is for any spurs player to be accepted as anything better than average.  Harry still isn't the real deal to some Liverpool fans.

Anyhow, regarding winks, I mentioned a lot earlier in this thread that Winks will be modric'esq.  Its not the ability to pass the ball, although Henderson could do with a lesson or 2 on how to move the ball around quickly without trying gerrard type 30yd balls which gerrard was actually successful at.  Its the ability to maintain the movement of the ball quickly.  The turn while the ball is moving and immediate pass.  The way he nearly always turns into a forward facing position.  Its not the normal way of the English midfielder anymore.  Spurs have struggled with this for years.  A midfield that regurgitates possession time after time but all they achieve is letting the opposition to regain their shape.  Dembele was the worst culprit until MP took him aside and changed his style to actually attack the opposition.

Winks is nowhere near knowing what he can become but he has basic instincts and the ability to back them up which point towards becoming top top notch.  Like it or not these were the same kind of words (Different attributes) being directed at Kane from Spurs fans.

Now, lets discuss how amazing Sissoko is and can become a vital part of the Spurs squad :-)

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6462 on: October 18, 2017, 04:04:31 pm »
So then, is "We were in the lead for a bit in Madrid" going to replace  "Bale scored a hat-trick in the San Siro" as the their biggest European achievement, and the thing they bang on endlessly about?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6463 on: October 18, 2017, 04:34:09 pm »
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Gotta be honest I can't remember ever seeing this Winks lad play but can't wait to see this Modric'esque fella on Sunday now...with all these glowing reports

sounds like quite a player. Don't get what Hendo had to do with anything but good for you guys....
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« Reply #6464 on: October 18, 2017, 07:17:16 pm »
Every Spurs player out there was superb but special mention to Harry Winks.

I think England have their very own Modric type player coming through. To be just 21, playing CL games away to Madrid in CM versus Modric (who has been the best CM in the world since his Spurs days), Kroos and Isco and not look out of place, is remarkable.

He doesn't give the ball away, always looks to play forward and positive,his passing stats last night

Passing accuracy full-time update: Luka Modric: 87.7% Harry Winks 90.9%

He's the continental type passing possession based central midfielder England have craved for years. Many Spurs fans put a bet on Winks going to the world cup last year, at 15-1....I think it's a guarantee injury permitting.


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« Reply #6465 on: October 18, 2017, 07:27:40 pm »
Are Primativ and Littlest Hobo the same person or are they simply posting from the same crib sheet?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #6466 on: October 18, 2017, 07:45:15 pm »
Winks is a decent young player with potential but does he need this overhyping at this stage of his development? In my opinion, Woodburh is a far better player right now but continues to develop quietly under Klopp, out of the limelight, playing for the u18's with the occasional cameo for the Taffs; thank God they didn't progress as The Prince of Wales would have carried the weight of a whole nation on his young shoulders at the world cup. Let Winks progress under a good coach who, hopefully, will protect him from the overblown hubris of English fans who are not worth a blow of a rag man's bugle tbf.
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« Reply #6467 on: October 18, 2017, 08:10:21 pm »
Spurs fans eh?  :o

They finally get a few good results in Europe and start with ridiculous player comparisons. They will probably turn on the kid when he has the inevitable dip in form all young midfielders have.

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« Reply #6468 on: October 18, 2017, 08:14:26 pm »
Spurs fans eh?  :o

They finally get a few good results in Europe and start with ridiculous player comparisons. They will probably turn on the kid when he has the inevitable dip in form all young midfielders have.

Because Liverpool fans never do that right  :butt

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« Reply #6469 on: October 18, 2017, 08:15:40 pm »
Because Liverpool fans never do that right  :butt

To be fair our good results in Europe turn out to be pretty darn spectacular. It's why Djimi Traore outshone Maldini.
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« Reply #6470 on: October 18, 2017, 08:20:53 pm »
Fair play to Spurs, their fans have got a lot to crow about. 3 years of continuous improvement, seemingly overcoming their European hoodoo with 2 brilliant results, the best striker in the world (in my opinion - some say it's Lewa, but it's splitting hairs). I'd be delighted too. Re: the Winks comparisons, I've barely seen him so can't comment in this specific case, but sometimes you can just tell when a kid will be special - I knew it with Stevie - maybe they're seeing signs from Winks that he's got that X factor.

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« Reply #6471 on: October 18, 2017, 08:28:08 pm »
After 08/09 and 13/14, we've learnt the hard way that you've simply got to win the league whilst the world class players are with you. At least Rafa won the CL, so we have that as an antidote to CL 07 and the near misses. This is Spurs' purple patch, they have an excellent team and a great manager - but they need to win something before it ends: as happened with us, the best players move on and it just gets harder and harder.

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« Reply #6472 on: October 18, 2017, 11:31:50 pm »
Think Primativ is being a bit one eyed over Winks.

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« Reply #6473 on: October 19, 2017, 04:37:39 am »
You would have thought they beat Madrid 4-0 last night given the reaction from their fans and the press. Yeah, absolutely it was a perfectly good result but they had Lloris to thank for stopping Madrid scoring 3 or 4. Did they demonstrate that they are a threat against the best sides in Europe? Yes, but I think most knew that already. But being a threat and winning trophies are different things.

They have somehow overtaken Everton in being the best side at winning things who don't actually win things. It is astonishing really.

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« Reply #6474 on: October 19, 2017, 06:13:54 am »
I think Primativ is being misrepresented here, although he does chat shite from time to time :D

He only compared Winks as a Modric-TYPE of player. This does my head in really, whenever somebody compares styles of play, they are not inferring comparable quality. So this whole strawman of "What? Winks=Modric?!!! LOL U MAD?" doesn't really offer much meaningful discussion.

For what it's worth, I thought he was neat and tidy, good on the half-turn, much like our own Woodburn (who some have observed can be a Lallana/Coutinho TYPE of player who can break lines). It will be interesting to see how Winks does against our counter-press this weekend.
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« Reply #6475 on: October 19, 2017, 08:32:47 am »
I think Primativ is being misrepresented here, although he does chat shite from time to time :D

He only compared Winks as a Modric-TYPE of player. This does my head in really, whenever somebody compares styles of play, they are not inferring comparable quality. So this whole strawman of "What? Winks=Modric?!!! LOL U MAD?" doesn't really offer much meaningful discussion.

For what it's worth, I thought he was neat and tidy, good on the half-turn, much like our own Woodburn (who some have observed can be a Lallana/Coutinho TYPE of player who can break lines). It will be interesting to see how Winks does against our counter-press this weekend.

I was just making a bad joke. But that kind of arguments can be frustrating, like when Gerrard apparently said Joe Cole was a better player than Messi when he was saying he can do better tricks than or him or something equally spurious.

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« Reply #6476 on: October 19, 2017, 08:52:21 am »
He probably didn't intend to, but his whole post was comparing the two. Comparing the type of player they are, comparing their stats, comparing their performance.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #6477 on: October 19, 2017, 09:35:37 am »
Think Primativ is being a bit one eyed over Winks.

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« Reply #6478 on: October 19, 2017, 11:32:44 am »
Against Dortmund and RM we played more on the counter, it appeared to be a tactical shift from Poch.  I think this is largely due to our performance against you, Man City away last year and City in a pre season where if we face a team that presses us we come unstuck.

I am guessing we will set up in a similar way as Dortmund and try and catch you on the break, first goal will be very important.  I also would not be surprised if we set up with a 4-4-1-1 to try and cope with Salah's pace on the wing rather than our standard 5-2-3-1.

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« Reply #6479 on: October 19, 2017, 11:45:36 am »
Who would you expect to play across the four in midfield?  Does, I'm assuming Delle alle drop back and help out defensively? Otherwise it would be 2 vs 3 in the middle which would suit us just fine.