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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #40 on: July 1, 2014, 10:51:03 am »
http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/jun/30/jeremy-hunt-stop-gp-bashing

Decent article on where the government go wrong in healthcare. They set unrealistic and wrong targets and then we get the blame for not carrying them out. If anyone can post out the full thing as im on my phone thanks.
Jeremy C*nt should stop GP-bashing, or hospital referrals will skyrocket
Rather than naming and shaming family doctors, politicians should invest in training, staff and practice buildings

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Guardian Professional, Monday 30 June 2014 11.19 BST

'Hunt wants to expose GPs who don't send patients for life-saving scans … No one misses cancer on purpose.'

I have more than 30 years' experience of being a GP and it saddens me to hear the continual denigrating of general practice by media and politicians. Jeremy C*nt, the health secretary, wants to expose GPs who cost lives by not sending patients for potentially life-saving scans quickly enough.

Missed and late diagnoses of cancer are tragic. But how does Hunt define an "unacceptable" delay in diagnosis? No one misses cancer on purpose, and we have all done it when we have only 10 minutes for a consultation. In many cases, the diagnosis is unclear at first. If some doctors consistently diagnose earlier than others then there is a case to be made, but in my experience, that is not usually so.

I can think of occasions when I have been very lucky and have detected a cancer ridiculously early, but it has always been pure luck. The health secretary has already revealed his underlying prejudices with the words he uses and the issues he is focusing on. GPs will, once again, see a bunch of academics looking for errors and poor performance, yet another factor that will demotivate GPs. I wonder if Hunt has a story lined up for every day from now until the general election next year.

Rather than political gimmicks, what we need is more GPs, more practice staff, including nurses, and a programme of investment in GP practice buildings to bring them up to scratch. Primary care receives only 8% of the total NHS budget yet it carries out 90% of patient consultations.

There is no doubt that we have variation in standards of primary care which needs addressing. However, by and large, the primary care model in the UK is undoubtedly one of the best.

Let's take a tour of general practice in Europe and beyond, where GPs spend longer with patients, such as the 20-minute consultations that are common in Holland. Or where whole chunks of clinical care aren't even done by GPs, such as in Spain, where all smears are done by gynaecologists, Hungary and the Czech Republic, where all children are seen by pediatricians, and indeed in most of Europe, where patients see specialists freely, without any reference to their GP.

Or Sweden where out-of-hours services start at 5pm, and where, between midnight and morning, there is no primary care, and patients instead attend A&E or call an ambulance. And in the whole of Europe, no nation operates targets or makes systematic data entry, nor measurement of practice performance of chronic diseases.

And forget revalidation; even continuing medical education is voluntary in Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg and France. Let's go further afield to Canada, where there are no registered lists. Only 30% of practices are computerised, and, again, no measurement of practice-specific immunisation or cytology is undertaken.

So let's return to British shores, where every single patient wanting to see a specialist must see their GP first, and where we, who are not specialists, manage 90% of patient care, as well as the continuing transfer of work from hospitals.

Where we comprehensively provide the entire spectrum of clinical care without exception, from baby checks to the elderly, managing chronic diseases such as diabetes, coronary heart disease, heart failure, epilepsy, even renal disease, which would be completely alien to the reality of GPs in other countries.

Where this information is systematically recorded with registers and exemplary standards of care, via the quality and outcome framework, that has no international parallel.

Where we have superlative trust and satisfaction ratings that tower over our hospital colleagues, and where patients see us as advocates, helping them through thick and thin, from stress at work to coping with grief, and where patients even resort to phoning us from A&E or a hospital bed, pleading with us to sort out their plight.

And when the system fails anywhere, from an ambulance not turning up, to a hospital appointment cancelled, or a disability benefit that's been refused, it's us to whom they turn to pick up the pieces. And it's the GPs' door where the buck stops. And we're paid just £70 per patient to do all this, a fixed amount for an unlimited number of consultations or visits per year, where in spite of this we prescribe more cost effectively.

Moreover, we do this with fewer GPs per head than most of Europe. I challenge any government to find a model anywhere in the world that can match the range, remit and responsibly that we take on and provide as British GPs. Now we are taking additional hospital services, such as minor operations and diagnostic services in the primary care setting.

And considering our pay after the new GP contract, one could argue that one gets what one pays for, but no, the taxpayer is getting far more from us for their money even now. Our system of general practice offers an amazingly cost-effective service with a quality of care that is second to none.

The NHS bashing, which is now an almost daily feature from politicians needs stopping. Hunt, instead of naming and shaming GPs, please invest in training, education and funding in primary care. If you continue with your mission of denigrating GPs by naming and shaming, the consequence will be that hospital referrals will skyrocket.

Fearmongering will fuel inappropriate referrals and plays beautifully into the hands of private providers who make much of their profit through unnecessary investigations and over treatment, which I suspect is already costing the NHS billions. I take some comfort from learning that the Academy Of Medical Royal Colleges is taking this issue very seriously and will be reporting on it towards the end of the year. Initiatives to undermine the NHS in general and general practice in particular would be a disaster.

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #41 on: October 1, 2014, 05:58:53 pm »
http://action.sumofus.org/a/nhs-ttip/?sub=fb

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #42 on: October 2, 2014, 08:08:36 am »


The people have spoken. More than two-thirds of voters in key marginal constituencies have sent a strong message to David Cameron to protect the NHS from being sold out to corporate interests under the secret Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal.

But despite these clear words from us, David Cameron has refused to come out publicly in defence of our NHS. As it stands, TTIP would give US corporations unprecedented access to the NHS and irrevocably cement the sell-out of the NHS to corporate interests.

Cameron has to stop sitting on the fence on the protection of our NHS -- or risk losing out at the upcoming general election.

David Cameron: publicly announce that the NHS will be exempt from the TTIP negotiations.

If TTIP goes ahead, the NHS will be at the mercy of corporate interests and investors who place their own profits over the health of the patients.

TTIP also includes provisions that mean corporations can sue governments in secret back-room deals if governments introduce initiatives (including public health regulation) that could reduce a company’s profits.

Under similar regulations, tobacco giant Philip Morris is currently suing the Australian governments for billions of dollars for a new public health law that restricts the sale of cigarettes.

TTIP in effect means that we give corporate interests unlimited access to our health care but make it impossible for national governments to affect legislation on protecting our health. Corporations’ greed for profit and not the public interest would dictate public health policy under TTIP.

How can politicians give away our most important right: our right to free and universal healthcare?

There is a simple solution: David Cameron could just demand that no mention of the health services should be made in TTIP -- as the British Medical Association (BMA) has demanded.

The poll clearly shows what David Cameron has been reluctant to accept: healthcare is an issue we feel extremely strongly about -- no matter our political affiliations. If we send a strong message to David Cameron now that this his neglect of protecting our NHS, he will have to listen to the public’s concern or risk an electoral liability.

David Cameron: Publicly and unequivocally state that you are going to exempt health from the EU US trade agreement TTIP.

 

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #43 on: October 3, 2014, 12:25:11 am »
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-bonuses-chiefs-pocket-116-3553527

And another one. Said it before but theres too many bosses some pointless within the nhs.

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NHS chiefs pocket £166 MILLION in bonuses - while nurses suffer 1% pay cut
16 May 2014 10:00 PM By Andrew Gregory
The rise, 36% up on £122million the year before, could have paid for an extra 4,000 nurses - Jeremy C*nt has been accused of snatching cash of frontline workers
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Lavish: Former NHS boss Sir David Nicholson
Nurses, midwives and other carers battered by David Cameron’s assault on NHS wages are night furious at revelations their bosses’ pay packets have risen by 36%.

Senior managers pocketed £166million in bonuses and other extras last year – as the Tory-led Coalition slashes £20billion in costs from the beleaguered service.

That is up 36% from £122million the year before.

The rise, on top of their annual salaries, could have paid for an extra 4,000 nurses, who have suffered a 1% cut.


The shock figures, seen by the Mirror, sparked outrage – with staff accusing Health Secretary Jeremy C*nt of paying the wages by snatching cash off struggling frontline workers.

Jon Skewes, of the Royal College of Midwives, said: “This is a slap in the face to midwives and maternity support workers.

"Enough is enough.

“These figures show Jeremy C*nt has given above and beyond to senior NHS managers and taken away from midwives and other overstretched frontline staff.

"He could have used this money to pay midwives a fair increase but instead he gave it to top managers.”


NHS: Pay
Campaign group Cure the NHS, which exposed the lack of nurses that contributed to the Stafford Hospital deaths scandal, also attacked the rises.

Founder Julie Bailey said: “NHS managers are already paid well enough. The public will be very unhappy with this.

"In times of austerity it doesn’t seem that we are ‘all in this together’ as people seem to suggest.”

Unison union’s head of health Christina McAnea added: “Once again the top earners look after ­themselves.

"The value of health workers’ pay has fallen by as much as 14%. Some members are resorting to food banks for help.

"If managers are worth an increase then staff on the ground are worth it too.”

The figures, from the Health and Social Care Information Centre, reveal 10,000 NHS managers ­pocketed an average of £6,596 on top of their basic salary of £78,000 in the last 12 months – up 41% on the year before.

Another 25,000 got an extra £3,956 each, a 35% rise to boost their £49,000 salaries.


Anger: The bonuses could have paid for 4,000 more nurses
 
But nurses’ non-basic pay was £3,892, down 1% on the previous year. Midwives earned £4,823 – a 2% drop.

Health visitors were hit by a 7% fall leaving them with £932 in non-basic pay.

The Department of Health said non-basic pay included “a whole category of payments, such as ­overtime, redundancy, bonuses and clinical ­excellence awards”.

It insisted some of the 36% rise would have been in payoffs for axed posts.

But separate figures obtained by the Mirror showed the number of NHS bosses remained static last year.

A DoH spokesman said: “Managers’ pay should be subject to greater restraint than frontline staff.

"We are working with NHS England to make sure this happens.”

New NHS boss Simon Stevens ordered a clampdown on lavish spending after figures this week showed nine health chiefs blew almost £200,000 last year on fine dining and hotels.

His ­predecessor Sir David Nicholson claimed £32,000.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #44 on: October 3, 2014, 09:44:35 pm »
And in relation to the above heres one affecting me directly

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29481636

Radiographers have voted to strike over pay, potentially affecting X-ray and ultrasound services across the UK.
However, they will not join other staff in England - such as nurses, midwives and porters - in a four-hour walkout on 13 October. They have yet to decide on the time and format of their protest.
In all 53% opted for industrial action in the Society of Radiographers ballot.
Ministers have awarded NHS staff a 1% increase, but only for those without automatic progression-in-the-job rises.
These are designed to reward professional development, are given to about half of staff and are worth 3% a year on average.
An independent pay review board had said the NHS increase should be across the board, but ministers disagreed.
This has provoked anger throughout the health service.
'Pay eroded'
On Monday the Royal College of Midwives voted to take part in strike action for the first time in its history.
The GMB, Unison and Unite have also backed a walkout on 13 October, in what will be the first strike over NHS pay for 32 years.
Radiographers will not take action at the same time because their organisation still has to decide on what course of action to take.
"It is very unusual for radiographers to vote for industrial action and this vote shows the anger they feel," said Richard Evans, the society's chief executive officer.
"Working people in the NHS have had to accept decreasing standards of living for long enough.
"Pay has been eroded by inflation and the government year after year has refused even the smallest of increases."
There had been real-terms pay cuts for "radiographers and many millions of others who work in the NHS", he added.

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« Reply #45 on: October 7, 2014, 09:04:36 am »
Just heard on the radio that the NHS faces a £30bn black hole by 2020 if the politicians don't figure out the funding crisis.

Now I would subscribe to the arguments that people are living longer and issues over obesity, smoking etc is putting an increasing strain on the budget - if it wasn't for the fact that over the last 30 years the Tories choked off funding for a series of industries right before they privatised them.
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« Reply #46 on: October 7, 2014, 09:20:27 am »
Just heard on the radio that the NHS faces a £30bn black hole by 2020 if the politicians don't figure out the funding crisis.

Now I would subscribe to the arguments that people are living longer and issues over obesity, smoking etc is putting an increasing strain on the budget - if it wasn't for the fact that over the last 30 years the Tories choked off funding for a series of industries right before they privatised them.
A drop in the ocean compared to the trillions we paid to the banks so they can carry on living their lifestyles. Or the billions in state subsidy that the government provides to the arms industry to kill people. Both employ people, in fact the NHS employs many more people than the arms manufacturers, millions compared to roughly 200,000. Tax-dodging corporations could also easily make up that black-hole. The NHS is also immensely popular despite the media's attempt to suggest otherwise, or not report on the many grassroots campaigns against the sell-off. But all three parties have signed up to privatising the NHS, as has our 'impartial' mainstream media. So it is left to us, to fight, protest and campaign for it.
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« Reply #47 on: October 7, 2014, 10:06:56 am »
NHS funding is planned to drop from 8% of GDP to 6% of GDP between 2010 and (iirc) 2017.

That's a massive cut.  No wonder it's short of money.  It's an outrage.

The independent today saying that there are talks about charging £75 a night to stay in hospital.  Shocking.

Labour should make it a manifesto pledge that they would write in law the right to free health care for all (beyond the current prescription charges).

How could anyone vote against that? 
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« Reply #48 on: October 7, 2014, 11:01:05 am »
Sod writing it in law.  It should be enshrined in the constitution.
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« Reply #49 on: October 7, 2014, 12:47:51 pm »
Sod writing it in law.  It should be enshrined in the constitution.
I was going to suggest that, but we don't have one !
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« Reply #50 on: October 7, 2014, 02:57:35 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

People should be worried. Veolia the French waste management company is suing the Egyptian government for increasing the minimum wage. We are signing up to this, it is being done behind closed doors, and it will mean that private companies can sue the NHS for example if it acts against private profit and for the public good.

http://www.tuc.org.uk/international-issues/tuc-submission-european-commissions-consultation-isds

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/pages/ttip_home


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The courts, the rich, the powerful or those in authority never lie. It has been dealt with 'by the courts' nothing to see here run along.

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« Reply #51 on: October 7, 2014, 03:41:32 pm »
Well that's worrying as a merit good, the NHS is not supposed to be ran to work under the concept of working towards a profit.
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« Reply #52 on: October 8, 2014, 06:15:37 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

People should be worried. Veolia the French waste management company is suing the Egyptian government for increasing the minimum wage. We are signing up to this, it is being done behind closed doors, and it will mean that private companies can sue the NHS for example if it acts against private profit and for the public good.

http://www.tuc.org.uk/international-issues/tuc-submission-european-commissions-consultation-isds

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/pages/ttip_home

Article in the independent about that today.... Fucking shocking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
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« Reply #53 on: October 8, 2014, 08:13:57 am »
Article in the independent about that today.... Fucking shocking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
And yet, we have no say in it, even politicians are in the dark. Then again they have been the puppets of banks and corporations for decades so no change there.
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« Reply #54 on: October 8, 2014, 10:00:33 am »
Well that's worrying as a merit good, the NHS is not supposed to be ran to work under the concept of working towards a profit.

So was just about everything else that ended up privatised.
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« Reply #55 on: October 8, 2014, 10:56:19 am »
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« Reply #56 on: October 8, 2014, 11:15:05 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

People should be worried. Veolia the French waste management company is suing the Egyptian government for increasing the minimum wage. We are signing up to this, it is being done behind closed doors, and it will mean that private companies can sue the NHS for example if it acts against private profit and for the public good.

http://www.tuc.org.uk/international-issues/tuc-submission-european-commissions-consultation-isds

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/pages/ttip_home


I look forward to hearing the outcome of that case against the Egyptian government. Can they simply just stick 2 fingers at the French, and which court are they pursuing this?
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« Reply #57 on: October 8, 2014, 11:29:44 am »
Ive been banging this drum for a bit now an its already taken effect. Im moving hospitals as mine is in that bad a state now.  And when i see this where i can make twice the money i do now (and that's just the basic in australia against all the overtime and shifts i do where i had 4 days off last month). Its forcing good workers to look elsewhere.

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« Reply #59 on: October 8, 2014, 02:06:52 pm »
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« Reply #60 on: October 9, 2014, 02:49:23 pm »
Nigel Frottage Under Fire For Saying Big Business Should 'Run The NHS'

Nigel Frottage has come under fire after calling for corporations to be allowed to "run the National Health Service and streamline it".

The Ukip leader told the Telegraph that the NHS should also be opened up to public spending cuts, saying: “I genuinely do think, when you... occasionally hear of a big businessman that says he’d like to run the National Health Service and streamline it, and get better value for money, I think that’s the approach we’ve got to take.”

"If you're going to cut government spending," he made clear as he hosted a phone-in with the newspaper's readers. "You have to decide where those cuts are going to come."

Frottage previously told the Telegraph that it would be "ridiculous" to protect the NHS from spending cuts.

Tory MEP Sajjad Karim told the Huffington Post UK: "Sadly Nigel Frottage will say anything to anyone on anything. They have no coherent policy and much of it is opportunistic and decided upon which way the wind is blowing. Whether it is on the NHS or attending votes in the European Parliament, it is clear they cannot be trusted."

Meanwhile, the SLATUKIP anti-Ukip group, which highlighted Frottage's controversial comments, said: "We all know that ‘streamlining’ means cuts, and for a leader of a political party to use such rhetoric, while also flirting with the idea of marrying big business and public service, is quite shocking in its brazenness."

However, Ukip's health spokeswoman, Louise Bours MEP, told HuffPost UK that it was "misleading" to suggest Frottage wanted to privatise the NHS.

"We have always said we need to get rid of some of the vast amount of management, so more money can be spent on frontline services, that is what streamlining means," she said. “Over 50% of NHS employees are not clinically trained.

"I don't think anyone would disagree with us that money should be diverted from excess management to improve frontline services. At no point in this does Nigel say he wants the NHS privatised, and to suggest he does is misleading.

"His point is that business leaders know how to cut down on top-heavy management. As my conference speech made clear, we want clinical decisions and strategy to be decided by clinicians, not pen-pushing management."

Ukip has previously dismissed suggestions that it wants privatisation and "even deeper cuts" to the NHS as "Labour lies". However, deputy leader bad bootle meff once wrote that the "very existence of the NHS stifles competition".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/09/nigel-Frottage-nhs-privatisation_n_5957274.html
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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2014, 08:38:59 pm »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/governments-reorganisation-of-the-nhs-was-its-biggest-mistake-say-senior-tories-9790247.html

Something i could have told the thick twats. Idiots who are never accountable doing things they have no clue about


One expert said that former Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, would be facing disciplinary action if he had been a doctor

By IAN JOHNSTON
Monday 13 October 2014
The Government’s reorganisation of the NHS was its biggest “mistake”, senior Conservatives have reportedly admitted.
Labour has pledged to repeal the “toxic” 2012 Health and Social Care Act, which saw a major restructuring of how the NHS is funded. Some claim the bill was designed to pave the way for private firms to take over much of the running of the health service or even its privatisation.
Experts said the reorganisation, which is estimated to have cost about £3bn, had caused “profound and intense” damage to the NHS with one saying former Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, would be facing disciplinary action if he had been a doctor.
A senior Cabinet minister told The Times newspaper: “We’ve made three mistakes that I regret, the first being restructuring the NHS. The rest are minor.”
One insider said the plans, which were drawn up by Mr Lansley, were “unintelligible gobbledygook” and an ally of Chancellor George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford said: “George kicks himself for not having spotted it and stopped it. He had the opportunity then and he didn’t take it.”
A former No 10 adviser also told The Times: “No one apart from Lansley had a clue what he was really embarking on, certainly not the Prime Minister. He [Lansley] kept saying his grand plans had the backing of the medical establishment and we trusted him. In retrospect it was a mistake.”
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Experts were scathing about the off-the-record admissions.
Mark Porter, chairman of the British Medical Association’s governing council, said: “Rather than listening to the concerns of patients, the public and frontline staff who vigorously opposed the top-down reorganisation, politicians shamefully chose to stick their head in the sand and plough on regardless.
“The damage done to the NHS has been profound and intense, so this road to Damascus moment is too little too late and will be of no comfort to patients whose care has suffered.”
Others said the bill had distracted from the need to find efficiency savings because of a looming £20bn funding gap caused by rising demand.
Chris Ham, chief executive of the respected King’s Fund think-tank, said: “You’ve got leaders in the NHS rearranging the deck chairs when we’re about to hit the iceberg.”
Clare Gerada, who was chairwoman of the Royal College of GPs until 2013, said politicians and policymakers “need to have a long, hard look at themselves”.
“They are saying this now but they should have said it then. The big issue is that nobody has been held accountable for it. If Mr Lansley was a doctor, he would have been referred to the General Medical Council,” she said.
However the Health Secretary, Jeremy C*nt, defended his predecessor.
“Andrew’s structural changes are saving the NHS more than £1bn a year. Because of that we can employ 7,000 more doctors and 3,500 more nurses,” he said.
“We wouldn’t be delivering nearly a million more operations a year or be able to put more resources on the front line without what he did.
“The difficult question for those who complain about Andrew’s reforms is where would we have found the money otherwise?”
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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2014, 10:15:37 pm »
It's something we all told the thick twats!

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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2014, 10:20:54 pm »
The NHS savings aren't from restructure.

They are from wage freezes and pension contribution increases.

These aren't structural changes at all.  What lies.

Everyone, everyone said the changes were a disaster and no one in the Tory party thought to question it?

Well that's bloody marvellous.
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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2014, 10:52:34 pm »
The NHS savings aren't from restructure.

They are from wage freezes and pension contribution increases.

These aren't structural changes at all.  What lies.

Everyone, everyone said the changes were a disaster and no one in the Tory party thought to question it?

Well that's bloody marvellous.

Its not just that its each hospital is run like a business and not in a good way.  They all run in competition with each other so for instance there are very few spinal departments in hospitals now as they are seen as a loss maker due to costly treatment options and long hospital stays for patients. Or someone i know who worked at a manchester hospital who went to xray an urgent itu chest over a woman sat in the waiting room for a wrist xray whilst they where on a night shift. Now even to someone untrained you can guess which is more medically urgent. She then got called in by a manager soon after to get told she done it wrong as the wrist had waited 4 hours and she breached her waiting time (another government restriction) which cost the hospital 1000 pound.  And its all down to how its all funded now.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2014, 11:02:44 pm »
Anyone hear Edwina Currie ripping into the midwife on Jeremy Vine's show this morning?....the nerve of the PM shagging fuckin slag to publicly berate someone who's been working for her ass off for 30yrs made me want to strangle my fuckin radio
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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2014, 08:40:34 am »
Anyone hear Edwina Currie ripping into the midwife on Jeremy Vine's show this morning?....the nerve of the PM shagging fuckin slag to publicly berate someone who's been working for her ass off for 30yrs made me want to strangle my fuckin radio

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« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2014, 10:55:13 am »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29629581

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NHS: Reform's Haldenby on private firms' role in health

15 October 2014 Last updated at 11:07 BST

Parties made pledges of extra spending and resources for the NHS in England over the conference season.

But some non-politicians have been looking at more radical thinking after doctors' leaders said the English health service faced a £30bn black hole by the end of the decade,

The right-leaning think tank Reform commissioned a survey which found 62% backed - with 17% against - private companies treating NHS patients.

In a personal film, Reform's Andrew Haldenby claimed other countries were "baffled" by the British attitude towards the private sector role in the NHS.
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2014, 03:46:50 pm »
high wages for staff? or affordable healthcare for everyone?

you can't have both.

Now I know I'm going to be slated for this, but this is my opinion on what should be done to healthcare in this country to make both parties happy, improving productivity whilst keeping costs relatively low. I'm against privatization of the NHS as it currently is. The Tories or Labour would just be turning a state monopoly into a privately owned one. Best scenario would be to break up the NHS completely , remove medical licensing laws and Government red tape which would bring down medical care and treatment and allow private business and charities to compete in a free market. We can't keep pouring money into a bankrupt service, we did that with the banks in '08 and look what happened.  :wave

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« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2014, 05:27:48 pm »
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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2014, 05:31:02 pm »
high wages for staff? or affordable healthcare for everyone?

you can't have both.

Now I know I'm going to be slated for this, but this is my opinion on what should be done to healthcare in this country to make both parties happy, improving productivity whilst keeping costs relatively low. I'm against privatization of the NHS as it currently is. The Tories or Labour would just be turning a state monopoly into a privately owned one. Best scenario would be to break up the NHS completely , remove medical licensing laws and Government red tape which would bring down medical care and treatment and allow private business and charities to compete in a free market. We can't keep pouring money into a bankrupt service, we did that with the banks in '08 and look what happened.  :wave

You can have both of course you can, it's not affordable health care were taking about its state funded and free at the point of use, they are two entirely different things. The thing is the NHS simply dosnt run like a business and nor should it it serves a greater good. Have you never stopped to think of the massive economic benefits of a well funded and successful Heath service.

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« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2014, 06:57:08 pm »
If private companies get hold of the nhs there will be operations that are performed now that won't be under them as they do not make a profit. People who cant afford medical insurance will get left and it will be like going back to the dark ages where only the rich can get medical care.

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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2014, 07:03:27 pm »
Just noticed an advert on the Tube today, LFC are partners with a private health insurance company called Vitality, isn't that just grand? Think some employment agencies in the Gulf could do with being official partners with the club. You know the ones involved in slavery and the death of hundreds of migrant workers.
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« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2014, 08:11:31 pm »
high wages for staff? or affordable healthcare for everyone?

you can't have both.

Now I know I'm going to be slated for this, but this is my opinion on what should be done to healthcare in this country to make both parties happy, improving productivity whilst keeping costs relatively low. I'm against privatization of the NHS as it currently is. The Tories or Labour would just be turning a state monopoly into a privately owned one. Best scenario would be to break up the NHS completely , remove medical licensing laws and Government red tape which would bring down medical care and treatment and allow private business and charities to compete in a free market. We can't keep pouring money into a bankrupt service, we did that with the banks in '08 and look what happened.  :wave
You have zero concept on the NHS's economies of scale.  By it being so large it's able to get provisions and priorities at a much lower cost than if it were broken up into small sections able to be picked off by private businesses.  Private businesses will attempt to get any NHS contract by cutting its own costs in order to give the "best" service at the lowest price; this will undoubtedly put pressure on this company to cut costs wherever possible once it has the contract sewn up which will only put more pressure on the vulnerable staff and even more vulnerable patients.

What you've written is a fallacy in terms of the best way for healthcare (free at the point of service is a foundation it was built on), you cannot simply remove medical licensing laws or we all become guinea pigs.  You remove Government red tape (which red tape specifically are you on about?) and you lower the quality of care the patient will receive.  When you say that you're against privatisation of the NHS and then go on to suggest privatisation, forgive me for being weary of your intentions to one of the greatest things this country has going for it.
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« Reply #74 on: October 17, 2014, 08:59:51 pm »
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« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2014, 10:41:23 pm »
high wages for staff? or affordable healthcare for everyone?

you can't have both.

Now I know I'm going to be slated for this, but this is my opinion on what should be done to healthcare in this country to make both parties happy, improving productivity whilst keeping costs relatively low. I'm against privatization of the NHS as it currently is. The Tories or Labour would just be turning a state monopoly into a privately owned one. Best scenario would be to break up the NHS completely , remove medical licensing laws and Government red tape which would bring down medical care and treatment and allow private business and charities to compete in a free market. We can't keep pouring money into a bankrupt service, we did that with the banks in '08 and look what happened.  :wave
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« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2014, 10:51:49 pm »
high wages for staff? or affordable healthcare for everyone?

you can't have both.

Now I know I'm going to be slated for this, but this is my opinion on what should be done to healthcare in this country to make both parties happy, improving productivity whilst keeping costs relatively low. I'm against privatization of the NHS as it currently is. The Tories or Labour would just be turning a state monopoly into a privately owned one. Best scenario would be to break up the NHS completely , remove medical licensing laws and Government red tape which would bring down medical care and treatment and allow private business and charities to compete in a free market. We can't keep pouring money into a bankrupt service, we did that with the banks in '08 and look what happened.  :wave
America the best example of the BS you are advocating, has the highest per capita cost for medical care and one of the poorest outcomes in terms of benefit in the Western world. The banks are still running and we bailed them out to a derisory figure that would have kept the NHS going for a few decades. But yes I agree lets keep pouring public money into the banking and defence industry, and fuck the fucking poor, can't afford Vitality private health care insurance  :wave  Darwinian evolution in full effect. Dick.
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« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2014, 10:50:49 pm »
So I'd like to share my most recent Facebook status: mainly in the hope that some car-hooters will know my gratitude, but also because it needs saying over and over. This may be the longest ever status I've written, but has also accumulated likes quicker than any I have written:

Thank - you to those who stood with me on the picket line today and gave up 4 hours pay to stand on your feet for four hours, wave placards, distribute leaflets and rally support. I am proud of you all.
Thank - you to those who stayed in work and ensured minimal disruption to the service for patients. Don't let anyone tell you that we compromised our patients to make our point. It is for our patients that we chose this profession and partly for them that we took industrial action - trying to ensure we get the numbers that are desperately needed into the profession and keeping staff happy and motivated to deliver the service everyone deserves.
Thank - you to everyone (though you will probably never read this) who tooted car horns, waved, cheered and clapped our picket. You kept us going, and though we hope you need as little use of the health service as possible - know that you will always be a friend of NHS staff.
To those who are determined to make this dispute about public versus private sector yet again - I'm sorry you feel the way you do. If I wanted to make an argument to that end I'd point out that the National Office For Statistics states that over the time period during which NHS staff have lost 15% from their pay packets in real terms that the overall average loss nationwide is only 4.4%. But I don't want that fight. The only way the public and private sector should be fighting is over us. If public sector work is adequately paid, and cost of living is accounted for then the private sector has to pay competitive wages to entice people into private work. It's not about us wanting what you don't get, it's about living wages for us all when the cost of living continues to climb rapidly.
To those who are supportive but accept the government line that a 1% increase for NHS staff is unaffordable here is something to think about. The government sets a budget for EVERYTHING, and amongst that budget is the NHS. The money to pay for this increase could come from anywhere in the budget. At a time when we are replenishing nuclear arsenals, planning a high speed rail line that isn't of proven benefit and fighting wars in foreign countries would you rather the money was spent there or on ensuring the future of a health service you may need to use that is free at the point of delivery? The government has its priorities wrong, we all know it.
Sadly, with the government we have in charge this is unlikely to be the last strike action in this dispute. Please continue to stand with us. Please join in support if you haven't already. We can only have a health service to be proud of if our pay remains consistent with the rising cost of living. The recommended 1% was paltry, particularly in a year where MPs were rewarded to the tune of 11% and yet that 1% would have temporarily averted this strike. Cost of living increases should reflect the actual increases in cost of living, not an arbitrary amount that the government decides it can "afford".

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« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2014, 11:17:36 pm »
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/x-ray-staff-merseyside-hospitals-strike-7963245#.VEVKZ02t6Qk.facebook

X-ray staff in Merseyside hospitals strike in row over NHS pay
Oct 20, 2014 10:01 By Helen Hunt
The action is the first to be taken by the group since the 1980s
 

Society of Radiographers strike outside the Royal Liverpool Hospital on Monday morning over pay.
A strike among radiographers is underway across Merseyside hospitals this morning.

Staff who take x-rays and do ultrasound examinations are staging the walk-out as part of an ongoing row with the government over pay.

It follows action last week taken by NHS workers, including nurses, midwives porters and paramedics, and comes ahead of a stoppage on Friday by prison officers in psychiatric hospitals including Ashworth in Merseyside.

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The industrial action is being undertaken because NHS staff are unhappy at the Government’s continued refusal to accept a suggested 1% pay rise for all staff.

Today’s stoppage will take place from 9am to 1pm with UK members of The Society of Radiographers working to rule for the rest of the week.

Emergency and urgent care will not be affected by the strike. Non-urgent radiology appointments have been resheduled.

The action by diagnostic imaging and radiotherapy professionals is the first strike over pay since the early 1980s.

Richard Evans, the society’s chief executive officer, said: “This is the first time since 1982 that radiographers have gone on strike over pay and there is the possibility of more action in the future. The anger that they and other NHS workers feel is very strong.

“The last thing that radiographers want is to hurt the people that they serve. Steps have been taken to minimise the impact on patients. This disagreement between NHS staff and the government has been going on for a long time and radiographers have lost patience with an employer that they feel does not value the hard work that they do.”

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« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2014, 11:21:11 pm »
Taken from the tories bit on the forum but I reckon it belongs in here aswell

But remember, The NHS is NOT being privatised though...   Cameron was very passionate about protecting the NHS when he spoke in his party conference.  He wouldn't lie to us would he??   :wanker    :no

http://news.sky.com/story/1356686/ministers-risk-controversy-with-nhs-sale-plan

Ministers have begun exploring a sale of the main supplier of temporary staff to the NHS in a move likely to revive political accusations about its creeping privatisation.


Sky News has learnt that the Department of Health (DoH) has appointed Deloitte, the accountancy firm, to review options for NHS Professionals, the state-owned staffing agency.

A formal decision to sell NHS Professionals, which has roughly 40,000 nurses, doctors, midwives and other healthcare workers on its books, has not yet been taken.

However, sources said on Monday that an outright sale of the now-profitable agency was "a very real possibility", with analysts estimating that it could raise between £50m and £100m.

News of the prospective sale process comes amid an increasingly heated political debate about NHS funding less than seven months before the General Election.

The Conservatives and Labour both made bold commitments about the NHS at their autumn conferences, underlining the importance of health policy during the looming election campaign.

NHS Professionals is a limited company wholly owned by the DoH and run by Stephen Dangerfield, its chief executive.

According to its 2013 annual report, it moved from a £6.7m loss in 2009-10 into the black the following year, since when it has made an aggregated profit of £10.8m.

The agency managed 2.9 million shift requests last year, filling 21.5 million hours of staffing requirements, including 350,000 same-day requests for shift work.

NHS Professionals counts 60 NHS Trusts as its clients and said this year that in "the forseeable future, growth in our revenue and profit will come from extending our business in our core markets".

The new process is not the first time that ministers have examined a sale of the agency.

In 2010, a consultation over its future was launched, with ministers anticipating bids from private equity firms and outsourcing groups.

For undisclosed reasons that sale process was delayed.

If the Deloitte review does result in a decision to press ahead with a sale, it would be the latest in a string of controversial privatisations initiated by the coalition Government.

A row erupted 12 months ago about the sale of Royal Mail, while last week, George Gideon Oliver Osborne, son of Sir Peter Osborne, 17th Baronet of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon and Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, educated at St. Paul's and Magdalen College, Oxford, the Chancellor, confirmed plans to sell taxpayers' 40% stake in Eurostar.

A source at the DoH confirmed that Deloitte had been engaged to examine "all options" for the NHS Professionals agency, although the Department had not provided a formal response more than three hours after Sky News' initial enquiry.

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