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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1280 on: April 29, 2015, 12:33:55 pm »
We're just not in a great place right now.  I can see Hull losing against Spurs/Arsenal/United and being really poor against them.
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1281 on: April 29, 2015, 12:33:59 pm »
you can...Rafa always looked for players with tough mentality,and he mentioned mentality quite often... Rodgers is interested only in "being great technician". You can find technicians all over la liga, and even in theirs secunda division,but mentality is what wins you big games, and to spot a player with tough mentality you really need to have an eye for that

Mentalitee doesn't appear in stat sheets though.
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1282 on: April 29, 2015, 12:38:15 pm »
Mentalitee doesn't appear in stat sheets though.
What about Kwalitee? ;D

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1283 on: April 29, 2015, 12:40:51 pm »
What about Kwalitee? ;D

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« Reply #1284 on: April 29, 2015, 12:43:20 pm »
The bitching fans - those who wanted Rafa out & joined the media caricature bandwagon - I still can't comprehend their thinking to this day - I can understand the uncertainty now about Brendan but after what Rafa did ~ and his last season was an aberration due to what was going on in the background - he's a winner. FSG wouldn't have him though - sickens me that - he would walk over hot coal to manage us again
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1285 on: April 29, 2015, 12:43:30 pm »
About the game:

I liked the back four with Can tucking in from the right and freeing up Henderson to be a bit more marauding (or vice-versa, they seemed to cover for each other). There were moments Can broke through and generated a lot of danger though it never ended in a goal. Perhaps with different personnel up top we'd reap more reward.

I think we remain pretty solid defensively.

We have a problem when teams set up in a low block or let us come on to them. We don't have good enough movement/vision/patience to draw them out of shape and open a gap to get in and score (nevermind no one to finish the chance). We keep possession, move it about but are pretty static in shape and never do much that's unexpected. We also seem impatient once we get in the final third. Sterling is the most predictable of the bunch, cutting in on his right after a few tricks with his legs and running along the 18-yard box until a mass of defenders bump him off the ball.

The other half of that problem is that we are incapable of sitting off and trying to invite a team on to us. Rodgers tries it in all the bigger games and it ends in total disaster each time.

Balotelli remains as disappointing a signing as before. The hype around him and his talent that he just has to realize is mind boggling - i just dont see any remarkable talent in the lad. I think he's a character and hilarious but he's not this world class player just waiting to step up.

I've not got much confidence that Rodgers can coach and effective possession game. Either that or 90% of our squad isnt suited to it. I said this a long time ago and I'll say it again. We need a more pragmatic approach that fits with our limits in the market. Not that we're poor but the really special players that make a Bracelona-esque possession side work are out of reach. We need a system that relies less on individual brilliance and more on the team and energy. Doesn't have to be geggenpressing but something like last season that's a bit more defensively solid.

I still think Henderson isn't being utilized and is in a half role in every XI he starts in, doing too many things. I'd love to find a way to give him more freedom to run at the defense and just be all over. Perhaps the Can at RB tucking in will be a solution to that?

I just dont think anything we've done is getting the best out of what we have here post-SAS. I still want to play attacking football but surely there's more ways to do that then just knocking the ball back and forth as most of our players stay planted on their feet waiting for the pass before moving. It's just so predictable.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1286 on: April 29, 2015, 12:45:33 pm »
you can...Rafa always looked for players with tough mentality,and he mentioned mentality quite often... Rodgers is interested only in "being great technician". You can find technicians all over la liga, and even in theirs secunda division,but mentality is what wins you big games, and to spot a player with tough mentality you really need to have an eye for that....mentality isn't just to shout at everything unnecessarily like Lovren,but it's more than that

Couldn't agree more. That's the thing sticking in my throat at the minute and it just wound me up more and more as that game went on last night.
We have no big game players anymore, no players who will get us points when we fall behind, or drag others to a level of performance they demand. No one to pull us out of a hole when we are in a bad run of form. It seems to me like we get a win, and slowly we get some confidence until its taken away and we lack the mentality to bring it back again.
When we lose a game now, I don't see a team who will have the "we will not be beaten" mentality in the next game, I see a team who play like they are beaten from the first whistle. And that has to fucking change, pronto.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1287 on: April 29, 2015, 01:00:13 pm »
Couldn't bring myself to post last night....just....meh.
Our season has truly fallen apart and we are devoid of any attacking flair or prowess and have zero movement.

Just dreadful.
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1288 on: April 29, 2015, 01:03:38 pm »
Another shite performance from the players and the manager...par for the course i suppose!

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1289 on: April 29, 2015, 01:05:46 pm »
Why give him one more season?

We've already given him over 200m. What more do you want? You feel sorry for him?

you to cease with this personal vendetta against Brendan from day one just because he got rid of the tubby journeyman to Stoke might be nice,  but i doubt it will ever happen. :wave
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1290 on: April 29, 2015, 01:07:00 pm »
I think yesterday we had probably the worst bunch of players in a long time with the inability to shoot well both inside and outside the box. I cannot recall us having a side with so little punch.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1291 on: April 29, 2015, 01:08:17 pm »
you can...Rafa always looked for players with tough mentality,and he mentioned mentality quite often... Rodgers is interested only in "being great technician". You can find technicians all over la liga, and even in theirs secunda division,but mentality is what wins you big games, and to spot a player with tough mentality you really need to have an eye for that....mentality isn't just to shout at everything unnecessarily like Lovren,but it's more than that

Rafa is never coming back while Ayre is here, deal with it FFS!

As for the game it was shit ;
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1292 on: April 29, 2015, 01:08:29 pm »
God... You know how much it would cost us to get rid of out management/chairman? - I worked it out today...

Millions.

Utter Millions of Hot Cash.

Money doesn't grow on trees you know - We would probably have to flog Balotelli or something to cover the costs. Half of the KOP, would essentially be paying their severance. But I mean, didn't Mr. Rodgers stall contract negotiations until the end of the season, or was that last season?



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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1293 on: April 29, 2015, 01:09:58 pm »
I think yesterday we had probably the worst bunch of players in a long time with the inability to shoot well both inside and outside the box. I cannot recall us having a side with so little punch.

Owlface is by far the worst as far as results, performance, attitude, even last night Brendan wasnt even close to how dire the owlshit was
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1294 on: April 29, 2015, 01:12:42 pm »
Owlface is by far the worst as far as results, performance, attitude, even last night Brendan wasnt even close to how dire the owlshit was

Yes it was. Hodgson hadn't spent mega millions the summer before. Hodgson managed players who were shit and the performances were as bad as Brendans million pound shithouses. 
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1295 on: April 29, 2015, 01:12:43 pm »
Owlface is by far the worst as far as results, performance, attitude, even last night Brendan wasnt even close to how dire the owlshit was

I was more referring to the players and the lack of ability when it comes to shooting. Obviously we have had this side out in other games this season but before we at least had a Torres, Gerrard, Suarez, Sturridge or someone who looks comfortable with their shooting boots on. Yesterday we didn't have a single player that looks comfortable taking a shot and that probably explains our toothless approach.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1296 on: April 29, 2015, 01:14:04 pm »
I'd like the fact Hodgson was our manager expunged from all records, and my memory if at all possible.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1297 on: April 29, 2015, 01:14:39 pm »
If Brendan was anything close to a "tactical genius" he wouldn't of gone balls to the wall attack against Chelsea when we only needed a point, and we'd of won the league. Naivity.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1298 on: April 29, 2015, 01:16:53 pm »
I dont think we need a major overhaul. The centre backs are okay, Lovren needs a fairer crack of the whip for me. Played well in spells but had his confidence majorly disrupted at the beginning of the season. Theres a decent CB in there, how else do you explain his form at Southampton and before that at Lyon. I would give him another year to prove himself. With Ilori coming in as well I dont think theres a major need for a first team CB.

Full back is  a problem area though. We need to start playing full backs at full back. If we keep hold of Flanno I'd say we need atleast one right back.

Personally in centre midfield I would scrap Allen and cash in. Not good enough and injury prone too, he's had 3 years to stamp his mark in a red shirt and he's been good in patches but overall poor. Centre midfield we would have Lucas, Hendo and Can. Think we need atleast one more solid midfielder.

If we were to sign an attacking midfielder a la Depay then I could only see that in 1 of 2 scenarios. He's Sterlings replacement or Markovic is going out on loan. Would obviously prefer it to be the latter but I also think signing Depay for 25 million and selling Sterling for 50 is decent business by the club. Strikers is where the major overhaul will come. The club will try to sell Balotelli, Borini and Lambert, and hopefully recoup some of the money lost on them. We will then bring in Origi, as well as get in Ings on the cheap. Then we will hopefully be looking for a top striker with some goalscoring pedigree who fits our team and style. Once we have that, i think we will have a decent squad. 2/3 20-30 million pound signings that are the right choice for their position, and our team will be fighting at the top end of the table again. Whether we'll spend that kind of money or target the right players remains to be seen.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1299 on: April 29, 2015, 01:18:14 pm »
If Brendan was anything close to a "tactical genius" he wouldn't of gone balls to the wall attack against Chelsea when we only needed a point, and we'd of won the league. Naivity.

We only needed a point if you assume we'd have gone to Palace and won.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1300 on: April 29, 2015, 01:19:43 pm »
Rafa is never coming back while Ayre is here, deal with it FFS!

As for the game it was shit ;

I agree.
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1301 on: April 29, 2015, 01:20:48 pm »
I agree.

What about Monchi? Was it all a lie?  :(

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1302 on: April 29, 2015, 01:22:22 pm »
About the game:

I liked the back four with Can tucking in from the right and freeing up Henderson to be a bit more marauding (or vice-versa, they seemed to cover for each other). There were moments Can broke through and generated a lot of danger though it never ended in a goal. Perhaps with different personnel up top we'd reap more reward.

I think we remain pretty solid defensively.

I see a lot of people on here (especially in this thread) say we've been defensively poor for 3 seasons under Rodgers. The stats however suggest we're not bad but when watching our games I have to admit that it feels to me we're quite likely to concede, especially from set-pieces or crosses.

For example Hull caused us issues a number of times yesterday just by getting the ball into the area. N'Doye had a gilt-edged chance from an Aluko cross and yes Mignolet dealt with it, but we still looked shaky. Is it down to Sakho's absence? Or are we really just not great defensively? I felt Hull had a lot of luck with the bouncing ball last night (and it feels like opposing teams in general have had this recently) in that say a deflection would fall kindly to them - not necessarily in threatening areas mind, but still it seemed noticeable to me.

Conversely I didn't notice us causing Hull many similar issues (although the fact we were so rarely in their box is an entirely separate issue...!!), perhaps it's because we're not a team that does a lot of crossing, or that our set-piece delivery seems consistently awful.

It seems to me that whilst we may have been fairly defensively sound in terms of statistics, we may not look terribly convincing with the naked eyes.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1303 on: April 29, 2015, 01:23:07 pm »
I'd like the fact Hodgson was our manager expunged from all records, and my memory if at all possible.

i have often wished for that as well like the 'it was just a dream' season in Dallas , of course nightmare is closer .
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1304 on: April 29, 2015, 01:23:08 pm »
The same for the next manager, to be honest. I get the vitriol around him but let's be fair minded here.

You mean it was the same for Hodgson who was the next manager? No, that was all down to Hodgson himself.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1305 on: April 29, 2015, 01:24:57 pm »
What about Monchi? Was it all a lie?  :(

I think that truth lies in the middle.

He was here but probably just transfer business, we'll see.

We know that he's learning english for about a year though (confirmed by reliable journos).
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1306 on: April 29, 2015, 01:25:19 pm »
Operation 'no Europa League' is becoming a bit too obvious
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1307 on: April 29, 2015, 01:26:49 pm »
Mentalitee doesn't appear in stat sheets though.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1308 on: April 29, 2015, 01:26:50 pm »
Operation 'no Europa League' is becoming a bit too obvious

Well, if Arsenal wins FA Cup, then we need 8th place for that operation to be successful.
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1309 on: April 29, 2015, 01:28:06 pm »
Rafa is never coming back while Ayre is here, deal with it FFS!

As for the game it was shit ;

Yeah, Ayre is bigger than the club!

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1310 on: April 29, 2015, 01:28:46 pm »
"To everyone" You were only making a general point to everyone? Doing so by specifically picking up on my comment. That's interesting.

With all due respect, my I suggest that if Mod's want to use their time constructively that the finally get round to addressing my complaint to them about a a particularly abusive and aggressive posting directed at me...for which I have had not even an acknowledgement, despite having to report it for a second time.


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If you had a quid for every time someone thought you were a c*nt after reading that post, you'd probably be able to buy Messi, Neymar, Suarez and Xavi to play 5 a side with.

It's only the fucking internet, take a fucking nelson. The mods do a fine job, for the sweet sum of fuck all might I add, and still get people moaning about having their fucking delicate sensibilities offended? There's forty odd thousand on this site, and as far as I know, we don't all have a dedicated mod each to ensure that we're protected from hurt feelings.

With all due respect, my I suggest that if you want to use your time constructively that you finally stop crying like a fucking 7 year old girl who has tripped over her skipping rope over one stupid fucking post about you. Which weighing up the evidence, was probably fucking true anyway.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1311 on: April 29, 2015, 01:29:54 pm »
Well, if Arsenal wins FA Cup, then we need 8th place for that operation to be successful.

If we continue to play like that, we may be able to achieve that.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1312 on: April 29, 2015, 01:30:52 pm »
Yes it was. Hodgson hadn't spent mega millions the summer before. Hodgson managed players who were shit and the performances were as bad as Brendans million pound shithouses. 

Ah yes, the shit like Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, Carragher, Lucas, Skrtel, dross one and all.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1313 on: April 29, 2015, 01:31:31 pm »
If Brendan was anything close to a "tactical genius" he wouldn't of gone balls to the wall attack against Chelsea when we only needed a point, and we'd of won the league. Naivity.

Please why do people chat so much shit about this? We tried to win the game and Gerrard fucking slipped, thats not on Brendan is it? Then we went all out against the bus and they scored a late goal when we had all our team pushed up.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1314 on: April 29, 2015, 01:35:12 pm »
You mean it was the same for Hodgson who was the next manager? No, that was all down to Hodgson himself.

true he told us we need to learn how to support this club for one, he put a team of kids against Northampton lost the game then tore into the kids in the media, he was also foisted on us, by some of the shitiest underhand dealings with sacking Rafa by Cecil and i reckon Ayre plus a few more but thats a well worn debate.

All managers before and since we have welcomed and supported no matter who they replaced, some of us maybe be grudgingly even wanted to give owl a chance because it is in the DNA of some of us, but Hodgson totally misjudged  the fans, the players hated his style read Reina's book for how pissed he was about it, his football drove fans away from Anfield,  he was simply wrong in every facet of being a Liverpool Manager !
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1315 on: April 29, 2015, 01:36:32 pm »
haven't you and everyone else realised yet that it was Suarez that carried the whole team on his shoulders last year and made Brendan look like he was the best next thing!


Where did we finish the season before last?
Where did we finish the season before that?

Was a certain someone in the team in those two seasons?


Why is that argument of yours only valid last season but not the seasons before?
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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1316 on: April 29, 2015, 01:36:55 pm »
Well, if Arsenal wins FA Cup, then we need 8th place for that operation to be successful.

We're on course for it.

I have a lot of faith in these players and in Rodgers that we can get 8th. It will be a push but I think if we work really, really hard at Melwood, we should be able to lose about three quarters of our remaining games.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1317 on: April 29, 2015, 01:37:57 pm »
Where did we finish the season before last?

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1318 on: April 29, 2015, 01:39:16 pm »
Please why do people chat so much shit about this? We tried to win the game and Gerrard fucking slipped, thats not on Brendan is it? Then we went all out against the bus and they scored a late goal when we had all our team pushed up.

The real damage was done managerially speaking in the Crystal palace match when we let a 3 goal lead slip.

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Re: Hull City 1 - Liverpool 0
« Reply #1319 on: April 29, 2015, 01:42:26 pm »
If Brendan was anything close to a "tactical genius" he wouldn't of gone balls to the wall attack against Chelsea when we only needed a point, and we'd of won the league. Naivity.

Oh yeah, it was the 'balls to the wall attack against Chelsea' that cost us

Not our deepest player slipping in possession with the ball putting through their striker, clearly an issue with us attacking too much