Topic: Its a conspiracy, The Gin Soaked one

[Stussy]

I can't wait for Rafa to get involved in the mind games

Ferguson forgets there are quiet a few at the club with Title winning experience

Sammy Lee, Pellegrino and Rafa himself. They know what it takes.

You're right about that, Rafa has hunted down Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain twice.

There won't be any Demento style jive from Rafa though, he doesn't really do that stuff, he can be quite witty when asked about it though. Plus, Sammy keeps the temperature old school in the back room.

[The_Cutter]

Serious question, is that true in the league?
Be interesting to see the difference in points earned between the first and second half of the season during Benitez' time at Liverpool.

People have actually done that and found that our first 19 games and last 19 games are balanced. I think actually only once we had more points in the second half. However, it is a bit weird, because we seem to go on undefeated runs in the second half-season. Some myths, eh?

Anyway even though you're a filthy manc, I might look it up for yer, 'cause I'm bored.

Edit: and here it is.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=226100.msg5188556#msg5188556

[Stussy]

Serious question, is that true in the league?
Be interesting to see the difference in points earned between the first and second half of the season during Benitez' time at Liverpool.

I don't care if it's true, it sounds fuckin hard.

[Crosby Nick]

Serious question, is that true in the league?
Be interesting to see the difference in points earned between the first and second half of the season during Benitez' time at Liverpool.

Not sure in terms of actual points but:

04/05 - fairly inconsistent all season, probably no massive improvement 2nd half
05/06 - won out last 10 games I think (probably 8 in the league with a couple of FA Cup ties?). Had a poor Feb though and went on a big winning run before Xmas so possibly no big improvement
06/07 - definitely improved 2nd half until we rested players in the last few league games and dropped some cheap points
07/08 - were about 8-10 points off the pace at Xmas and finished 10 points behind so definite 2nd half improvement (after another Jan/Feb blip)

On the whole we do seem stronger in the 2nd hald but not sure how the stats back that up. Admittedly the runs we have put together have been with les pressure on us as we have not been in contention. Interesting times ahead.

[SP]

These Liverpool players are so inexperienced. Look at all the big CL games they have played. Arguably they have more big game experience than Man U. A knockout competition is different to the league, but we have 18 big PL games left. We take them one at a time and each in turn is an important game. If you have played in a CL final, no PL game is anything close in terms of pressure.

Of course, the Man U players will be more complacent and less hungry than LFC players because of their title race experience...

But all told, it's complete bollocks.

[Stussy]

These Liverpool players are so inexperienced. Look at all the big CL games they have played. Arguably they have more big game experience than Man U. A knockout competition is different to the league, but we have 18 big PL games left. We take them one at a time and each in turn is an important game. If you have played in a CL final, no PL game is anything close in terms of pressure.

Of course, the Man U players will be more complacent and less hungry than LFC players because of their title race experience...

I'm not sure if you're being altogether serious with that one mate. Mancs have got plenty of big game experience.

The whole thing is being projected as Experience v Hunger. But it's not really as black and white as that, it's much more mixed up and shaded, and to be honest, that's why it's too close to call at this moment.

[SP]

I'm not sure if you're being altogether serious with that one mate. Mancs have got plenty of big game experience.

My last sentence summarises my view of the whole thing.

[Stussy]

My last sentence summarises my view of the whole thing.

ah right OK

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Alchy fucking c*nt. Shut the fuck up, you sozzled twat.

Quote that, you red-faced wanker.

[And Could He Play]

Fuck him, the c*nt. This is our year so move over the mancjock c*nt, Hadrian should have put a few more bricks on his wall around Fergies house.

Everthing is just too weird/perfect about this season. All the last second winners ealier on, beating the mancs, destroying the shite, doing Chelsea to their first defeat at home since 10,000 BC. Getting the bitters at home in the cup. Theres just something about it.

[Jason McG]

Alchy fucking c*nt. Shut the fuck up, you sozzled twat.

Beautifully put Mr Scrapper.

[IndianRed]

Love the way the press have started interpreting his comments as some sort of psychological super-weapon that will lead to our disintegration. Heck, a couple of months back, he was so arrogant to suggest that our clash with Chelsea would have no bearing on the title race even though his team was still way behind us. I would just love it if Rafa gave him a fitting rejoinder after disposing of Stoke. That would really add some spice to the ManU Chelsea clash.

[SP]

Why does everyone want Rafa to get involved? Far better to just ignore his foaming tirade, as you would ignore the attention seeking outpourings of a troublesome child. The only riposte has to be lifting the PL trophy.

[IndianRed]

Why does everyone want Rafa to get involved? Far better to just ignore his foaming tirade, as you would ignore the attention seeking outpourings of a troublesome child. The only riposte has to be lifting the PL trophy.

Yes, that would be the ideal way but you know the way the press works. They won't let Rafa get a night's sleep unless they get him to react to Whiskey nose's comments. I say, get it over with. Knowing Rafa, he'll come up with a classy and dignified and witty retort to that landlubber's splutterings.

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Knowing Rafa, he'll come up with a classy and dignified and witty retort to that landlubber's splutterings.

Be boss if he just said, "He can get to fuck, no?"

[Liver Bird]

The only time Rafa will get involved in mind games is to drop in a beautifully timed rasper

the small club jibe to wind up the blues or when we played chelsea in the european cup and he said chelsea were a good team 'but today they will lose' or something like that.

[rossipersempre]

Still waiting for his Jock Stein moment unfortunately. Stupid c*nt.

That's disrespectful and in extremely poor taste to one of Shanks' best mates in the game.

Can you imagine if that happened? How the club would milk that 'tragedy' (*cough* again)? I'd rather see Ferguson like the Kenneth Williams pic, as Nero, drooling and raving in senility watching his 'empire' in flames all around him, the foreclosure signs and bulldozers moving into OT.

[adopted_scouser]

I think that the fixture lists are not completely random, and maybe abit fixed.  But to say that they are all against Manchester United, is bollocks.

[Perkins]

Be boss if he just said, "He can get to fuck, no?"

It would be absolute quality if he said something along those lines,

"Me and Sammy have been talking, no.  Always I say the same, Ferguson is a bad twat, we have options, no, demento, bully, pissy pants, they are good also.  Bad twat is kwalitiee'

[Red_Rich]

He's just a wannabe Shankly, trying to come out with swaggering one liners and slyly arrogant but funny big talk, but really he's just a stuttering and increasingly paranoid piss head.

Hear, hear.  He's more Cloughie than Shankly anyway.  In other words a red-faced gobshite and c*nt of a man.

[Red_Rich]

Everthing is just too weird/perfect about this season. All the last second winners ealier on, beating the mancs, destroying the shite, doing Chelsea to their first defeat at home since 10,000 BC. Getting the bitters at home in the cup. Theres just something about it.

I agree.  A couple of slight knocks recently (Rafa's stones and Stevies case) but I'm getting that 2005 feeling again.

[Something Else]

I agree.  A couple of slight knocks recently (Rafa's stones and Stevies case) but I'm getting that 2005 feeling again.

hope not, i want to finish higher than 5th

[Red_Rich]

hope not, i want to finish higher than 5th

ha ha

(you know what I mean) 

[Flopsy]

So Rafa is shrewd and cutting when he makes the Small Club remark towards Everton,

but Sir Alex is a drunken arse for questioning the fixture list?

It's just two over competitive managers talking shite. Just enjoy the controversy and get over yourselves.

Your team is finally really competing for the Premiership. Thats the big news.

(Still think we'll do you in the run in of course )

[INABITSKI]

So Rafa is shrewd and cutting when he makes the Small Club remark towards Everton,

but Sir Alex is a drunken arse for questioning the fixture list?

It's just two over competitive managers talking shite. Just enjoy the controversy and get over yourselves.

Your team is finally really competing for the Premier League. Thats the big news.

(Still think we'll do you in the run in of course )

No, the old c*nt is waffling on about fixtures "not being in his favour" when we had exactly the same issue the other year and got on with it.

What the fuck Rafa's comment towards Everton has to do with fixtures beats me.

[Hazell]

He's suggesting it's not entirely random. Do you agree with him?

[Hazell]

What the fuck Rafa's comment towards Everton has to do with fixtures beats me.

He's a manc. Some level of idiocy is expected.

[Flopsy]

No, the old c*nt is waffling on about fixtures "not being in his favour" when we had exactly the same issue the other year and got on with it.

What the fuck Rafa's comment towards Everton has to do with fixtures beats me.

How about the fact that they were both insulting (To the FA/Everton), tactless and ill thought out.

Yet they wound folk up and got the dopes shouting the odds.

Apart from that, there's no similarity whatsoever!!!!

[kopite@m45]

Any sane person would, on examining the facts, have to agree that the fixtures are stacked against Manchester United. They always are. That's why they have never won anything.

[slickman]

Let me give a balanced and fair view on it not to offend our manks who post on here, The old senile bastard is talking out of his arse and always will even if we win the title it will be due to the fixture list and he will moan like the old whiskey nose that he is, he aint got much long left and in a few years will be found pissing himself in nightbars with a stripper/tranny while we are growing from stregth to strength and meanwhile utd are pissing about hiring brian robson and mark hughes, and i have got to say each day that passes makes me happy its one day closer till that old bastard dissapears

[anon-y-mouse]

You appear to have got lost on the way to redissue. Now kindly do-one!

Muncs are so fucking transparent.

[Flopsy]

So when a Manager gets his team together and starts talking shite about how everyones against them, but they can rise above it and win...he's a complete tosser?

So the Seige Mentality doesn't work???

Someone better tell Fergie then, coz he's been peddling that line for 30+ years.

Some of your lot weren't too bad at it either...if your old enough to remember.

[INABITSKI]

How about the fact that they were both insulting (To the FA/Everton), tactless and ill thought out.

Yet they wound folk up and got the dopes shouting the odds.

Apart from that, there's no similarity whatsoever!!!!

Ill thought out? I thought it was funny as fuck myself and he would get a pat on the back from me if I ever had the pleasure of meeting the great man. We hear bigger insults aimed at us as a club from our blue friends, who gives a fuck if Rafa called them small time, they are.

As for Fergie, read the thread in regards to the fixtures and timing of it all.

[slickman]

So when a Manager gets his team together and starts talking shite about how everyones against them, but they can rise above it and win...he's a complete tosser?

So the Seige Mentality doesn't work???

Someone better tell Fergie then, coz he's been peddling that line for 30+ years.

Some of your lot weren't too bad at it either...if your old enough to remember.

Now i know your not the sharpest tool, but wouldnt your love for fergie be demonstrated on redcafe better ? no one really gives a shit here.

[Flopsy]

Now i know your not the sharpest tool, but wouldnt your love for fergie be demonstrated on redcafe better ? no one really gives a shit here.

I do mostly Post on United Forums (Fell out of love with RedIssue, as it's currently run by a female dictator who doesn't go the match, but thats a different story)

But I reserve the right to do missionary work to help the deluded.

[Liverbird 2010]

How about the fact that they were both insulting (To the FA/Everton), tactless and ill thought out.

No they wernt Everton are a small minded club, and there fans similar to yours are obssessed with our club.

[4pool]

No they wernt Everton are a small minded club, and there fans similar to yours are obssessed with our club.

Right..


And Fergie questioning the integrity of the FA by "fixing" the League schedules to the detriment of his side does bring the game and FA into disrepute.

But now worries, the FA will do sweet FA about it.

[Flopsy]

No they wernt Everton are a small minded club, and there fans similar to yours are obssessed with our club.

There are none so blind, as those that will not see!

Or

it is better to stay quiet, and be thought of as a fool. Than to open your mouth and take away all doubt.

(I know, I'm a sad Manc who is obsessed by a Club thats won fuck all for two decades.... )

[Enders]

League 1990, FA Cup 1992, League Cup 1995, UEFA Cup/FA Cup/League Cup 2001, League Cup 2003, Champions League 2005, FA Cup 2006.

That is indeed fuck all.

You retard.

[Throxenby]

But I reserve the right to do missionary work to help the deluded.

an yer know what happened to the missionaries ?
cannibals solved the preaching bastards problems.