Topic: Benefit Fraud, serious offence ?

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Quite simply no.

Benefit fraud is an absolutely tiny problem in comparison to large corporations tax dodging.

[AndyMuller]

No.

Snitches get stitches.

[reddebs]

No because you really have no idea what their disability issues are. 

Many people are able to do heavy lifting, play sport or go on holiday but it doesn't mean they're capable of holding down a full time job.

[Elmo!]

Snitches get stitches.

[El Lobo]

Snitches get stitches.

Yeah but grasses get masses

[rob1966]

No - I worked with a fella (Tory) who was loaded and delighted in the fact that his accountant had ensured he never ever paid full tax, people like him, to me, are worse. The Tories waste billions each year, they give contracts worth hundreds of millions to mates, the rich cream billions off, they hide money all over the place.

If the Government properly funded the relevant departments, then there should be enough staff to clamp down on people who are fiddling.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

It is because of some assholes like these that some other person with an actual disability has to apply twice or thrice.

Report their sorry ass, watch them cry out all the stolen money and dont look back.

[L4Red]

It is because of some assholes like these that some other person with an actual disability has to apply twice or thrice.

Report their sorry ass, watch them cry out all the stolen money and dont look back.

No it isn't. It's because the system is rigged.

Fuck snitching.

[rob1966]

It is because of some assholes like these that some other person with an actual disability has to apply twice or thrice.

Report their sorry ass, watch them cry out all the stolen money and dont look back.

Sorry mate but that is wrong and is the lies the Tories spread to turn us on each other.

This is the exact statement written by a doctor on the report when a mate of mine was denied Disability living allowance "Mr Hxxxxxxxx is a healthy 27 yr old male who is in need of a kidney transplant". Both his kidneys had failed, he was on dialysis and couldn't leave the house. We had to resubmit his claim saying he was shitting the bed and his Mum was having to clean it up to get the money. Luckily, he got the life saving transplant (RIP to the beautiful donor)

My Mum was absolutely wrecked with back issues, but because she didn't know how to play the game, she got nothing. She was too honest and they only look at an answer but not the context, she could go shopping, but every step was agony, but she was too proud to say it. When I was awaiting heart surgery, I had to lie like mad on my forms. I could walk more than the 25 metres they used as the maximum distance you can , but I'd then sleep for 3 hours as I was that shattered, but if they knew that I could walk more than 25 metres, I'd have been refused any money.

I was watching a video the other day, they were trying to get this woman a job with Royal Mail as a delivery driver, because she had done it before. She asked would some one else drive the car, no you will, oh how does that work then? Well, you get given a van and do the deliveries, OK, but as you know, IM BLIND !!!! Oh, that might be a problem

[Barneylfc∗]

It is because of some assholes like these that some other person with an actual disability has to apply twice or thrice.

Report their sorry ass, watch them cry out all the stolen money and dont look back.

On the face of what Port_Vale_Lad has said, it's easy to make the conclusion that this guy is a scrounging c*nt and is playing the system. But as Debs said, we don't know his disability. Does he have a wife/partner who works and contributes towards these holidays? How much are the trips costing him, does he save the payments he is getting every month to afford them and sacrifice doing other activities in order to afford it?
Being on benefits doesn't mean you have to sit at home all day every day, and not every benefit recipient spends the money on cigarettes, drink and drugs no matter what the Daily Mail says. 

Personally, it's none of my business what any one else does, so I'd keep my nose out of it. Go after the rich c*nts that live in tax havens and the big companies like Starbucks and Amazon instead.

[AndyInVA]

Sounds like he isn't a bad neighbour, isn't rude, whatever he makes gets spent in his house and isn't part of some bigger fraud

probably wouldn't report him

if he was rude and just plain anti social and ruined the environment for all his neighbours then fuck him

[BarryCrocker]

100%

If anyone has a friend or family member who only gets a portion of what they need to survive because someone else is illegally robbing the taxpayer (you and me) of funds then you'll understand.

You can't stand there and complain that governments waste tonnes of money every year and condone people who benefit from that waste.

[Elmo!]

It is because of some assholes like these that some other person with an actual disability has to apply twice or thrice.

Report their sorry ass, watch them cry out all the stolen money and dont look back.

You have absolutely no idea whether this guy has disabilities or not, or what the disabilities are. Not all are immediately visibile (if at all).

[Millie]

Absolutely not.  As others have said, you have no idea what the disability is.  There are many hidden disabilities.  I have severe mental health problems but the vast majority of folks would have no idea if they met me.

[Elmo!]

I technically have a disasbility that is completely invisible to the eye. It's not one that stops me working, but the point is you wouldn't have clue about it by looking at me.

[El Lobo]

You dont know if his holidays and season ticket are paid for by savings as well, or even something like compensation which caused his disability in the first place. Hell of a thing to talk about 'shopping' someone, particularly if he's a nice bloke.

[Son of Spion]

No. Leave the fella alone.

I also have a disability that has blighted my entire life. An onlooker would never know though.

Also, it's extremely difficult for the 'little guy' to play the system now anyway. The ones really playing it are the rich tax dodgers. Facts are, you can have terminal cancer now, and these twats would declare you fit for work.

Basically, we don't know this fellas full situation, and it's none of our business anyway.

[spen71]

No!     As others Have said you don’t know what is happening/happened in his life!  Are you jealous that he is “getting away with it”

[Son of Spion]

Absolutely not.  As others have said, you have no idea what the disability is.  There are many hidden disabilities.  I have severe mental health problems but the vast majority of folks would have no idea if they met me.

Same here. Mental health issues completely ruined my life. To look at me you wouldn't know. I can do a garden, service a car, paint a house etc, but disability comes in many forms.

I've also been a shambling wreck, curled up in a ball on the floor crying my eyes out alone, but no one sees that side of things. No one sees you when you are sat at the end of your bed with a noose in your hand and a head full of chaos.

[Elmo!]

Also worth pointing out that people who are struggling with something will often put on a brave face in front of others and make it appear like they are doing fine - maybe in this case doing such a good job of putting a brave face on it could end up costing them if someone decides there is obviously nothing wrong with them and reports them.

[Drinks Sangria]

I wouldn't pile on the lad too much. He's not saying he's going to, he's asking the question and what people's thoughts are on the matter. It's clearly causing him inner contention and who can honestly say they've not had jealous or simply not-nice thoughts about others who seem to be coasting through unchecked when they're a dickhead (not saying that about this guy).

I've a former mate who abandoned his missus and child because he didn't fancy the responsibility, has an absolute tonne of high-end vehicles for his business on the knock and makes great money but somehow pays the absolute minimum of tax and child support because he doesn't want to contribute. I've certainly had moments where I've not been at my best and wished that he'd get investigated and have to actually pay his way and support the child properly rather than with measly handouts to his ex that is less for the kid for a month than he spends in the boozer of a weekend. So I understand the sentiment, even if I personally wouldn't do anything about it.

[Port_vale_lad]

Just to give a tad more context he claims for a bad back, he has done ever since iv known him for the last 10 years or so but that doesn't stop him laying paving slabs, mixing cement, felling trees.

His lady claims disability as well now i dont know exactly what she claims for but she justs sits in the yard all day smoking rollies.

[Elmo!]

Just to give a tad more context he claims for a bad back, he has done ever since iv known him for the last 10 years or so but that doesn't stop him laying paving slabs, mixing cement, felling trees.

His lady claims disability as well now i dont know exactly what she claims for but she justs sits in the yard all day smoking rollies.

This is the detail that was needed in the original post, along with the bit about carrying slabs.

It might have changed a lot of the responses to you.....

[Millie]

This is the detail that was needed in the original post, along with the bit about carrying slabs.

It might have changed a lot of the responses to you.....

Still wouldn't report him.  As for his misses she can spend her money on whatever she likes - nobody else's business.

[Elmo!]

Still wouldn't report him.  As for his misses she can spend her money on whatever she likes - nobody else's business.

Yeah I wouldn't either, but it does make it look a bit more suspicious.

Frankly though I don't really care if a few people are getting away with it, there are much bigger fish to fry.

[Millie]

Also - unless you've seen him fill in his claim form, or attended any meetings he has had with the DWP, then you simply don't know what he is claiming for.  Just because he's told you he has a bad back doesn't mean he doesn't have any other, hidden disabilities.  Most people aren't very forthcoming when it comes to mental health issues, for example.

Please don't report him. 

[Barneylfc∗]

What benefit would you get out of reporting him?
Say you did and he got sanctioned, which you wouldn't know about unless he volunteered that information to you, would it make you feel any better?
If he's a nice bloke, and told you face to face that someone ratted him out, would you be able to stand there with a straight face knowing it was you and lie to him?

[Son of Spion]

Also - unless you've seen him fill in his claim form, or attended any meetings he has had with the DWP, then you simply don't know what he is claiming for.  Just because he's told you he has a bad back doesn't mean he doesn't have any other, hidden disabilities.  Most people aren't very forthcoming when it comes to mental health issues, for example.

Please don't report him.

Again, I agree.

What some people tell you they are out of work for is not always the only or even the real reason.

Also, anyone who has been through, or helped others to attend, work capability assessments will know just how difficult it is to get benefits these days. They've declared thousands of clearly disabled people fit for work. Some have then died soon after.

The system is there to screw the claimant these days. It's heavily loaded against those who need benefits.

[ToneLa]

No, I nearly died on Universal Credit as a LEGIT person signed up

I believe in universal benefit for all

Fuck the system

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Exactly what is says on the tin really.

Could you, with a clean conscience report someone who you believed was milking the system for all its worth.

Someone who claims disability but has no qualms about carrying paving stones around and erecting sheds.

Someone who can jet off around the world for a couple of holidays each year and can also afford a season ticket to a championship club.

Or are you of the belief that what goes around comes around and karma will eventually feck him with a 12 inch dildo.

To make it slightly trickier, he's a nice bloke and we get on really well, just boils my piss a bit when i get home after a 10 hour shift and he's sat on a lounger in the back yard swigging a beer talking to his lad on the phone about how nice Cancun was.

Would feel shitty to report anybody to be honest but it's not fair is it?

Not sure why anybody would grass a person who they get on with,especially a good neighbour.

If you do grass and he has to move,you might end up with a bunch of students.

[Nobby Reserve]

Love it 

(not seen that one before)

[Samie]

The guy you explained about I would as he's taking the piss.

[El_Frank]

You say he's claiming for a bad back, is this what he has told you himself or something you've found out from other sources? Also, when you've spoken to him has he ever come across in an odd way or does he seem pretty normal? I agree about what some others have said about him maybe claiming for something else but he doesn't want to tell you in case it changes things between you's/is too personal; for example, if he has schizophrenia he's not gonna want to tell you that because of the known stigma against it. But I can also certainly understand your point of view as well as if it is a bad back he is clearly taking the piss and that's not on.
But given he's your neighbour and you get on I think it could do more harm than good to report him, so probably best left alone.

[Red_Mist]

Personally, it's none of my business what any one else does, so I'd keep my nose out of it. Go after the rich c*nts that live in tax havens and the big companies like Starbucks and Amazon instead.

[rob1966]

No, I nearly died on Universal Credit as a LEGIT person signed up

I believe in universal benefit for all

Fuck the system

My missus lost her job in April and she signed up for UC, fuck me, it's not a benefit, its fucking evil. I got a hardship payment from work to help through the crisis, they've done it for all staff under a certain wage and the fuckers took it off her money

Anyone who can fiddle this system, good fucking luck, because these c*nts are withholding millions upon millions of money that is legit owed to people.

FOAD you Tory c*nts

[ToneLa]

My missus lost her job in April and she signed up for UC, fuck me, it's not a benefit, its fucking evil. I got a hardship payment from work to help through the crisis, they've done it for all staff under a certain wage and the fuckers took it off her money

Anyone who can fiddle this system, good fucking luck, because these c*nts are withholding millions upon millions of money that is legit owed to people.

FOAD you Tory c*nts

Bah. Sorry to hear that fella, good luck to your missus and you. My experience was years ago now and it hasn't improved.

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It's us vs them. And they started it. There's a lot of systemic issues with UC you can only chalk up to malice, and my experience was years ago now when it was on trial and they didn't make it better. You don't have to look far for their scandals. It isn't fit for purpose.

There is a general sentiment to it especially compared to the old JSA that you are wrong to be claiming anything.

I'm not saying someone claiming disability falsely is a Robin Hood figure

I'm not even gonna claim it's ethical!

I'm saying it would be none of my business if a private citizen, no matter how odious, ripped off the Conservative state.

As for the OP. You are projecting. You get home from a hard day of work and... So what. You don't know him. What business is it of yours? It's not your money.

We already live in a society where the most in need are fucked over by the state. We don't actually need to be doing it to eachother. Go grass up an actual criminal or something, if you must

[AndyInVA]

My next door neighbor is on full disability benefits that covers him and his family. He builds bits and pieces of furniture and also built a retaining wall for his above ground pool outside his house with a brother in law. To look at him without knowing anything you might think he was scheming the system. He is ex US army and was badly shot in Afghanistan with severe concussion. He can do a few things for a while but then has to stop and he finds it hard to string sentences together in the afternoon as his brain starts to get a bit scrambled. Brilliant guy and I got all that through a few long conversations with him. The neighbor in question may well have a huge back story you just don’t know.

[Jm55]

Depends doesn’t it?

People who clearly have actual disabilities and are fucked over by the government to the point that they’ve been forced into having to play the system? Of course I’d never report it.

People like this, however, can go and fuck themselves:

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/amp/psychic-wrongly-claims-114k-benefits-8708/

[67CherryRed]

If someone admits to it, brags about it, makes it 100% clear that they're claiming what they're not entitled to, then it's clearly a reportable offence in my book.

But if you're not sure, if there's any doubt at all, give them the benefit (literally!)

[rob1966]

If someone admits to it, brags about it, makes it 100% clear that they're claiming what they're not entitled to, then it's clearly a reportable offence in my book.

But if you're not sure, if there's any doubt at all, give them the benefit (literally!)

My missus lost her job in April, so far she's had one Universal Credit payment, two months on the run not a thing because I got a hardship payment and a long service bonus and now Aprils payment is being taken off her due to them fucking up, so basically she's had 3 JSA payments, its shit. Luckily she's now got a job, so we now know what is coming in. With what we've seen with UC, anyone who can beat these c*nts then fair fucks, they are doing everything they can to NOT give people benefits, so anyone who cons them, well done.

The flights to Rwanda have cost us as taxpayers £120million so far and no-one has been on one. Someone fiddling £10k is peanuts compared to that waste/theft, never mind the theft of £billions by the Tory c*nts during the pandemic and the £billions stripped from the economy by them.