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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2006, 05:41:49 pm »
Also be very careful of what type of "chew stick" you buy your dog.  A lot of the rawhides, and variations of same, that are made in the Far East, particularly Thailand, are quite toxic to dogs.  Rox could probably elaborate further.

I can't actually, haven't heard of that...I'll keep an eye out for this - thanks for the heads up.  I don't like rawhide chews anyway  because they can get lodged in the throat because they are hard and brittle - especially if you've got a dog who doesn't chew properly. 

I think it's much better to get your dog a real, raw bone from the butchers.  NEVER give your dog a cooked bone, because they have been dried out and are brittle.  Dogs love getting the marrowbone out of the centre of raw bones.
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2006, 05:46:49 pm »
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I can't actually, haven't heard of that

it had something to do with what they use to treat the hide, it's carcinogenic I believe

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2006, 06:10:48 pm »
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"Neither the American Veterinary Association nor the British Veterinary Association endorses the health benefits of raw food. Both organizations caution that animals fed raw meat run the risk of contracting food-borne illnesses. The British veterinary group declares that "there is no scientific evidence base to support the feeding of raw meat and bones," and warns humans they risk exposing themselves to bacteria like salmonella."

To balance things out regarding raw bones, I've posted the above statement.

Rox's Editorial:  Interesting to think that for thousands of years dog have thrived on raw meat, but Vets believe there's a risk when dogs eat raw.  Could that have anything to do with the fact that the nutritional training vets undergo lasts only a few weeks and is sponsored by a pet food company (Hill's Science Diet sponsors "1000's of hours of continuing education every year at national, state and speciality conferences, Hill's is the leader in the veterinary industry")?

This is turning into an expose thread now, but...if you have a collie or collie type dog, I implore you to avoid the wormer Milbemax.

The manufacturer says: "Special Precautions and Warnings

Studies with milbemycin oxime indicate that the margin of safety in certain dogs of Collie or related breeds is less than in other breeds. In these dogs, the recommended dose should be strictly observed.

The tolerance of MILBEMAX in young puppies from these breeds has not been investigated.

During treatment with MILBEMAX, no other macrocyclic lactones should be administered."

source: (http://www.ah.novartis.com/products/en/cab/milbemax.shtml)

Milbemax was first manufactured using Ivermectin.  A study showed:
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"Twelve adult Collie dogs were studied to determine the effects of ivermectin on neurotransmitter metabolites released from the brain into the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and on CSF pressure. Ten of the 12 Collies were given ivermectin orally at a concentration of 200 mgrg/kg body weight. Three of these 10 Collies showed clinical signs of ivermectin-induced toxicosis which progressed into a state of unresponsive recumbency in 2 dogs."

(unresponsive recumbency: coma)

And another report:

(source: http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/announcements/ivermectin/ownerinfo.asp)

 For many years, veterinarians knew a certain pharmaceutical used to eliminate internal parasites in animals was very toxic to a subpopulation of collies. What they didn’t know was why.

Now a pharmacologist at the WSU College of Veterinary Medicine has discovered a mutant gene for a key transport protein in the susceptible collies. The gene codes for P-glycoprotein, a large protein complex that acts to pump medications out of the brain and back to the bloodstream where they can be metabolized safely. In the collies that lacked the complete gene for P-glycoprotein, they do not produce the complete protein and cannot pump out the medications. The drugs then build within the brain to toxic levels. P-glycoprotein also helps transport other drugs out of the brain and other tissues in humans and animals, including popular over-the-counter medications."

Now in Milbemax they use Avermectin, and claim that it is safe, however Avermectin is a closely related version of Ivermectin.

Avermectin and Ivermectin:

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"Ivermectin is chemically related to the insecticide avermectin, the active ingredient in some home-use ant baits. Both ivermectin and avermectin are derived from the bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis and kill by interfering with the target animal's nervous system."

On a completely unrelated note, we use Drontal wormer.  :)
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2006, 07:42:40 pm »
glad i just read that last bit about worming tablets.we are worming molly this weekend.
dromtal are the ones to use then mate??

edit. the missus has just told me weve got her bob martin all in one dewormer.
each tablet contains 500mg of NITROSCANATE.

that ok for her rox????
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2006, 08:39:41 pm »
glad i just read that last bit about worming tablets.we are worming molly this weekend.
dromtal are the ones to use then mate??

edit. the missus has just told me weve got her bob martin all in one dewormer.
each tablet contains 500mg of NITROSCANATE.

that ok for her rox????

Well, it shouldn't do her any harm, but the ones you get from the vet are usually better.  :)
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2006, 09:00:14 pm »
Well, it shouldn't do her any harm, but the ones you get from the vet are usually better.  :)

cheers for that.we'll see how they go and then maybe in a few months time get the ones from the vets.
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #86 on: August 10, 2006, 10:39:05 pm »
Also be very careful of what type of "chew stick" you buy your dog.  A lot of the rawhides, and variations of same, that are made in the Far East, particularly Thailand, are quite toxic to dogs.  Rox could probably elaborate further.

I think some of the cheaper ones made in the Far East are made of dog or cat skin :(

If you do give hide chews to your dog then make sure they are naturally cured, not chemically.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2006, 09:11:04 am »
I think some of the cheaper ones made in the Far East are made of dog or cat skin :(

If you do give hide chews to your dog then make sure they are naturally cured, not chemically.

*WARNING GRAPHIC LINK*
http://www.voice4dogs.org/theskintrade.htm

Many thanks for this info, and the link.  The stuff on that link has made me one angry fella.  Will make sure people get to know about this.  I'm suprised these chews are allowed to be imported.

The link would be distressing for anyone - so only click if you're prepared to be shocked.

I'm caught between being thankful you gave me the info and link Tedmus, to completely outraged and sick at seeing it.  But it's best to know things, and another little thing I can lecture people about.  ;)
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2006, 03:54:08 pm »
I posted this in the Wiccaweys Blog a couple of months ago - I thought you guys might find it interesting.

The Cost of Rescue
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You know, I was thinking about the costs in Rescue, and accidentally came across something VERY interesting.

If you ever thought you were being taken for a ride by your vet because of the prices they charge, please remember that according to a report in the "Veterinary Business Journal" (yes you read that right - Business Journal) Vets are very hard done by.

Despite the fact that most people consider the cost of Neutering and Speying of their dogs prohibitive, the article claims that vets "Undercharge for perceived price-sensitive services such as neutering and spaying".

They aren't finished there. They also claim that vets "charge disproportionately less for smaller pets, resulting in less margin - again, with a declining dog population and a boom in cats and small mammals, there are important implications here".

If you've ever wondered whether your dog has been overprescribed, or really needs those drugs, the article hightlights that vets "rely heavily on drug income to subsidise the basic consultation, which in itself was consistently unprofitable - with an increasing tendency towards preventive veterinary care and routine health checks, it is difficult to see how long this can persist".

And if you thought the basic consultation fee was expensive, they disagree: "No matter what size a practice is, out-patient consultations are currently loss-making. The main element of cost involved is the vet's time and until the profession addresses the issues of its basic consultation fee, the situation is unlikely to change."

Interestingly, these figures were based upon "A salary of £60,000...for all partners with any return above this being termed profit." And according to the report, "veterinary surgeons do not fare well when compared with other professionals such as doctors or lawyers".

So, this publication has a conniption fit when Vets are struggling to make a £60,000 salary (and anything above that is deemed profit!!)

I wonder what they would consider of financial state of a rescue. As standard, we have a policy that all dogs should be vet checked, vaccinated, speyed or neutered (depending on age), wormed, flea treated and microchipped before going to their new home. So, what would this cost?

Speying : £160.00
Neutering : £135.00
Vaccinations (Full Course): £ 40.00
Microchip : £ 20.00
Flea & Worming : £ 20.00

For a bitch you could be paying £240.00, and for a dog £215.00

So, to reach the minimum standard we set ourselves, we're looking at spending between £215.00 - £240.00 at 'retail' prices so that a dog can go into a new home.

This of course doesn't take into account the other 'costs' of rescuing a dog, such as food, lighting, heating, upkeep, etc. This also assumes that the dogs are 100% healthy when they arrive. Should they need other treatment, then the bill can be even higher. Some dogs that have gone into new homes have had over £800 spent on them - and the donation fee is the same.

And what is this suggested donation? £100 - and some people think that's expensive. An average dog can have over £300 in medical bills alone, but only having to pay £100 for that care AND the dog is seen as expensive.

We have a suggested fee because there is no way we can say one dog is more expensive than another. How can you put a value on the life of a dog? Just because a dog needed more care doesn't mean it should cost more as a donation.

We just have to work harder and harder to bring the funds in so that we can keep rescuing collies.

So when I read that some vets are feeling hard done by on £60,000 a year, it makes me wonder.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2006, 04:41:21 pm »
I've got a 1 year old staff and when we first got her she started chewing holes in the walls around the house. I just thought it was cos she was gettin her teeth through.
She seemed to stop it after a few weeks so I filled them all in and repainted them. No sooner had the paint dried on my shiny new walls that she started again.
Funny thing is, she seemed to be going for the same spots that I'd repaired!
??????????
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2006, 05:41:17 pm »
I've got a 1 year old staff and when we first got her she started chewing holes in the walls around the house. I just thought it was cos she was gettin her teeth through.
She seemed to stop it after a few weeks so I filled them all in and repainted them. No sooner had the paint dried on my shiny new walls that she started again.
Funny thing is, she seemed to be going for the same spots that I'd repaired!
??????????

Sounds like she can smell something in the walls she finds quite interesting - and it's going to be impossible to find out what....  Try spraying the areas with 'Bitter Bite' (you can get that from any pet store), so that when she tries to chew it, it tastes horrible.
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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2006, 08:00:05 pm »
I've got a 1 year old staff and when we first got her she started chewing holes in the walls around the house. I just thought it was cos she was gettin her teeth through.
She seemed to stop it after a few weeks so I filled them all in and repainted them. No sooner had the paint dried on my shiny new walls that she started again.
Funny thing is, she seemed to be going for the same spots that I'd repaired!
??????????

Both my staffy crosses have done this, just the one wall in the kitchen, especially our rescue bitch (she has got a taste for plaster !)

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #92 on: October 25, 2006, 03:19:19 pm »
Rox, Ive got a problem with Archie! We've noticed a massive change in his behavior. Ive spent the whole day looking on the web and think he has stereotypies caused by her fucking younger brother playing with him with a laser pointer.

Do you have any experience or advice on this?
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2006, 05:32:03 pm »
Rox, Ive got a problem with Archie! We've noticed a massive change in his behavior. Ive spent the whole day looking on the web and think he has stereotypies caused by her fucking younger brother playing with him with a laser pointer.

Do you have any experience or advice on this?
cheers.

Tell me what changes you've noticed in his behaviour first...some of the symptoms (like chasing their own tail) can be because they need worming, or need their anal glands clearing.
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« Reply #94 on: October 25, 2006, 05:54:40 pm »
Excellent thread Rox! Good advice. Murphy, our german shepherd is 3 next year and for anyone getting any breed of puppy I would have to say that socialisation is incredibly important. You may not be able to take them out until they have had their second jabs but you can invite children round to your house and introduce the pup to the postman and next door neighbours etc. Training is important too. And they do love bones from the butcher!
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #95 on: October 25, 2006, 05:59:58 pm »
I've got a 1 year old staff and when we first got her she started chewing holes in the walls around the house. I just thought it was cos she was gettin her teeth through.
She seemed to stop it after a few weeks so I filled them all in and repainted them. No sooner had the paint dried on my shiny new walls that she started again.
Funny thing is, she seemed to be going for the same spots that I'd repaired!
??????????
My friend had a staffy and when she had pups, they ate every kitchen cupboard door off that they could reach and the radiator off the wall and the enormous whelping box and every chair and table leg was on the receiving end of a good chew.
to be honest I didn't know the old meaning but having googled, this means the next time someone called me ginger pubes i can go "NO! FIRE_CROTCH"
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« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2006, 06:00:42 pm »
Brilliant thread Rox, good work!

Our Dachshund/Mongrel bitch is about 10 years old now, we´ve had her since birth. Now,when she´s in heat, she tends to piss all over the place, at night, when she can´t get out of the house. She drinks like a fish and can´t seem to go through the night without pissing in the hallway.
I started shutting the kitchen door at night, so that she wasn´t able to drink, this seemed to have stopped her pissing at night, but is it good for her?
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« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2006, 12:49:01 am »
Sounds like diabetes I'd take her the vets.
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« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2006, 04:45:41 am »
Sounds like diabetes I'd take her the vets.

Good advice.  If a dog starts to drink and wee excessively, it can be an indication of Diabetes.  It may be that her blood sugars are pretty normal most of the time, but when she's in season it really messes her up.

It's not a good idea to stop her from drinking, much better to nip down to Pets at Home and buy some "Puppy Training pads" (I know she's not a pup!).  They have a scent on them that attracts dogs to them to pee.  They soak up a lot of urine, and are excellent.
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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2006, 08:05:57 am »
Cheers for that, I never would have guessed.
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« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2006, 12:02:56 pm »
Tell me what changes you've noticed in his behaviour first...some of the symptoms (like chasing their own tail) can be because they need worming, or need their anal glands clearing.

It seem like he is in "hunt mode" or something. Constantly patroling the house and garden, pacing up and down the garden path. he doesnt want any interaction with any of us. Hates going out for walks. All he does now is stare at the ceilings and just barks for hours (see pics below). It seems to me that he is always looking for the laser or obsessed with shadows (no tail chasing). If jenny or her mother go anywhere near him, he just starts growling and turns really nasty but he is fine with males. Could this have anything to do with him biting Jens leg 2 weeks ago or is it the laser pointer thats fucked him up?
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« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2006, 12:57:47 pm »
It seem like he is in "hunt mode" or something. Constantly patroling the house and garden, pacing up and down the garden path. he doesnt want any interaction with any of us. Hates going out for walks. All he does now is stare at the ceilings and just barks for hours (see pics below). It seems to me that he is always looking for the laser or obsessed with shadows (no tail chasing). If jenny or her mother go anywhere near him, he just starts growling and turns really nasty but he is fine with males. Could this have anything to do with him biting Jens leg 2 weeks ago or is it the laser pointer thats fucked him up?

Before his change in behaviour, did anything happen to him on a walk?  Often dogs will react like this if they've had a bad experience.

What do you feed him?  A lot of his behaviour sounds like complete boredom.  If he's from working stock then he's going to have a brain which needs stimulation - that may be why he's obsessed with the laser pointer (in the same way other dogs get obessive about tennis balls.

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« Reply #102 on: December 28, 2006, 06:30:30 pm »
We have loads of fireworks near to ours on new years eve, what's the best way to keep the dog calm?

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« Reply #103 on: December 31, 2006, 02:16:37 am »
We have loads of fireworks near to ours on new years eve, what's the best way to keep the dog calm?

Cheers happy new year.

You can get calming tablets from the vets,  I used to sit in the garden with mine until they got used to the noise, it seemed to have worked.
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« Reply #104 on: December 31, 2006, 09:24:42 am »
You can get calming tablets from the vets,  I used to sit in the garden with mine until they got used to the noise, it seemed to have worked.

I got some of those from the pet shop yesterday, but i think they're more of a  herbal remedy ( called relax). i might take one as well !

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« Reply #105 on: December 31, 2006, 05:42:41 pm »
I've got a 1 year old staff and when we first got her she started chewing holes in the walls around the house. I just thought it was cos she was gettin her teeth through.
She seemed to stop it after a few weeks so I filled them all in and repainted them. No sooner had the paint dried on my shiny new walls that she started again.
Funny thing is, she seemed to be going for the same spots that I'd repaired!
??????????

From what I've heard, your dog is craving/missing a certain vitamin (can't remember which one...).

Apparently, get your dog TRIPE, and it'll stop chewing your walls etc.

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« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2007, 12:45:02 pm »
Any updates on doggy behaviour? 
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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2007, 12:51:26 pm »
Rox:

moving to FL, 8 hour drive, Rafa gets carsick.  in quantity.

ideas?  rather not drug him, is that the only solution other than a tarpaulin? :D
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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2007, 12:57:03 pm »
Any updates on doggy behaviour? 

Have you seen that programme on BBC 3 Called Dog Borstal. It's really interesting .

You could be one of the instructors.  in fact maybe you  are one of the instructors?

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2007, 03:35:07 pm »
Rox:

moving to FL, 8 hour drive, Rafa gets carsick.  in quantity.

ideas?  rather not drug him, is that the only solution other than a tarpaulin? :D

I had a friend who's dog got car sick all the time, turns out he was sensitive to static electricity, they put anti-static strips behind the rear wheels, and problems solved!

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2007, 04:29:10 pm »
I had a friend who's dog got car sick all the time, turns out he was sensitive to static electricity, they put anti-static strips behind the rear wheels, and problems solved!

JP-65:

cheers, for that, not certain static is the problem, since i shock him all the time this winter as we play on the office carpet, but it's worth looking into.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2007, 05:02:14 pm »
JP-65:

cheers, for that, not certain static is the problem, since i shock him all the time this winter as we play on the office carpet, but it's worth looking into.

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It's probably motion sickness, but the static angle is worth checking out.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2007, 06:21:33 pm »
You can also try a Sealegs tablet, or some ginger.  Rescue remedy sometimes works...

Have you seen that programme on BBC 3 Called Dog Borstal. It's really interesting .

You could be one of the instructors.  in fact maybe you  are one of the instructors?

No...'fraid not.  Those programmes make me angry... I can't watch ANY pet behaviour programme because most of the people on them (owners and trainers) are morons.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2007, 09:36:00 pm »
Rox, our Border collie who's a year old now and we've suddenly noticed he's got a tiny white dot on one of his eyes. I think I'll take him the vet, but I just thought I'd ask you for some advice first.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2007, 09:20:17 am »
Rox, our Border collie who's a year old now and we've suddenly noticed he's got a tiny white dot on one of his eyes. I think I'll take him the vet, but I just thought I'd ask you for some advice first.

Well, it's not unusual for Collies to have white flecks in their eyes - some have more than others.  You've probably seen a collie with one blue eye and one brown eye...  Sometimes it's called a 'wall eye'.  You can get anything from a small whitish fleck to a whole blue eye, and every combination in between.  We once had a collie in that had eyes that were blue AND brown (the two colours were in the same eyeball). 

So it's possible it's just that, but as ever,  it's best to get it checked out just in case. 
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2007, 09:22:49 am »
Well, it's not unusual for Collies to have white flecks in their eyes - some have more than others.  You've probably seen a collie with one blue eye and one brown eye...  Sometimes it's called a 'wall eye'.  You can get anything from a small whitish fleck to a whole blue eye, and every combination in between.  We once had a collie in that had eyes that were blue AND brown (the two colours were in the same eyeball). 

So it's possible it's just that, but as ever,  it's best to get it checked out just in case. 

Thanks for your quick response, Rox  :). I will have him checked out as well.

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2007, 09:25:44 am »
Thanks for your quick response, Rox  :). I will have him checked out as well.


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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2007, 09:33:20 am »
Rox - how can I stop my 6 month old westie barking.

Seriously. He's doing my head in barking at nothing during the night...
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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2007, 09:54:40 am »
Rox - how can I stop my 6 month old westie barking.

Seriously. He's doing my head in barking at nothing during the night...

Have you tried spraying water in his face?

or this...

Same shit, Different day!

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Re: Rox's Dog Advice Thread
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2007, 09:59:37 am »
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