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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3680 on: February 3, 2020, 02:13:15 am »
Gomez is a far superior player to de Ligt in my opinion, although there were probably people on this site who would have disagreed last summer let alone on Twitter.
Surely you’re not expecting any kind of reasonable debate on Twitter?
Think De Ligt's goal scoring achievements puts him in the light. 
Our Joe is a much better defender.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3681 on: February 3, 2020, 03:43:28 am »
De Ligt is a couple of years younger than Gomez, which is significant at their ages. However he will never have Gomez's pace and last I saw him he still required significant improvement in his reading of the game, which is essential for him if he is to make up for that lack of pace.

De Ligt could become all that he is hyped up to be but equally he could become the Dutch Maguire. In contrast Gomez has already proven himself to be a top level centre-back; if he continues to improve he will be scarily good.

My only concern with Gomez is whether injuries will continue to hamper his career, would hate to see him end up like Agger.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3682 on: February 3, 2020, 03:59:05 am »
Wonder how he compares to a 22yo Van Dijk.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3683 on: February 3, 2020, 03:59:06 am »
Injuries are a concern for Gomez indeed. And for Matip and Lovren. But they do come at different times in their careers. I'm more concerned with Lovren aMatip's than Gomez' injuries at this time. And the comparison with Agger might not be fair; if I recall, he had no significant injuries prior to us signing him at about Gomez' age.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3684 on: February 15, 2020, 07:56:34 pm »
1 goal conceded last 10 league games as CB with VVD.

Just mind blowing.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3685 on: February 15, 2020, 09:17:22 pm »
1 goal conceded last 10 league games as CB with VVD.

Just mind blowing.
Amazing performance level over that period, and today was an excellent all round performance for 92 and a half minutes.

It's not news to anyone, and it's clearly nitpicking in terms of his already high levels, but he needs to work on this idiosyncrasy where he's switched on for the first phase of a break (playing the trap), then reacts quickly (running back when the flag didn't go up), but not having a picture of whats around him or thinking of where to cover like with the two on one Allison dealt with. He may even have just been jogging at one point, let alone not picking up Pukki. Either way, he'll be working on it and as he's shown over this season that generally leads to improving

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3686 on: February 15, 2020, 09:21:51 pm »
There was a moment where he was running toward our goal pressured by the right sideline after a backpass from Trent (?), one player on him, another working to cut his backpass channel to Alisson, and Joe just turned... Eliminated two players with the move! And it was a risky one as only VVD was there to cover had the ball was picked from him. Pure filth...
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3687 on: February 15, 2020, 09:25:00 pm »
The man just goes about his business quietly in the best CB partnership in the world, no fuss, no drama, no goals allowed, and no scratching anyone.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3688 on: February 15, 2020, 09:28:12 pm »
There was a moment where he was running toward our goal pressured by the right sideline after a backpass from Trent (?), one player on him, another working to cut his backpass channel to Alisson, and Joe just turned... Eliminated two players with the move! And it was a risky one as only VVD was there to cover had the ball was picked from him. Pure filth...

That was great. Also last few games he's played some lovely fast paced balls out wide to Trent giving him enough time to do his thing. Really sped up our distribution from the back this season (when it's wanted)

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3689 on: February 15, 2020, 10:13:28 pm »
I think we're going to be talking about this partnership, a few years after they retire, in the same breath as the Hansen/lawrenson one.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3690 on: February 15, 2020, 10:21:42 pm »
He has been decent but just hope he can cope with his time out of the team when Lovren is fit.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3691 on: February 15, 2020, 10:26:14 pm »
Who you hoping to bait with that one Al?  ;D

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3692 on: February 15, 2020, 10:27:50 pm »
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3693 on: February 16, 2020, 03:23:52 am »
amazing partnership with the other big man

3.5m when we bought him. wonder whats his price is now.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3694 on: February 16, 2020, 03:51:24 am »
He's comfortably better, it's not even up for debate. Anyone disagreeing with you will have never watched De Ligt play properly and will just be going off the media hype he had last season. They certainly wouldn't have watched him play this season!

Yep. Playing next to Van Dijk he wont be acknowledged as one of the best, but I prefer it stays that way. Keeps the pressure of him and allows him to develop. He is still only 22, and he is several years away from his peak. Centre backs usually play at their highest level at late 20s and early 30s, so that puts him at his peak when Van Dijk starts to get beyond his peak. In that time, he can make mistakes and avoid having a circus around him.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3695 on: February 16, 2020, 03:57:48 am »
amazing partnership with the other big man

3.5m when we bought him. wonder whats his price is now.

Price out a replacement and add a few for the inconvenience. 100m+ surely?
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3696 on: February 16, 2020, 04:14:29 am »
amazing partnership with the other big man

3.5m when we bought him. wonder whats his price is now.

Well Juve coughed up €75 for Matthijs de Ligt who's a couple of notches short of Gomez with regards to skill and definitely pace.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3697 on: February 16, 2020, 03:57:10 pm »
Price out a replacement and add a few for the inconvenience. 100m+ surely?

He’s worth much more than that for us, he’s a perfect fit for our system and personnel, I don’t think he would look as good in another side because the other players in our team compliment him perfectly and he compliments them perfectly

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3698 on: February 16, 2020, 04:26:02 pm »
He’s worth much more than that for us, he’s a perfect fit for our system and personnel, I don’t think he would look as good in another side because the other players in our team compliment him perfectly and he compliments them perfectly

Gomez and Van Dijk are individually two of the best high line CBs around due to their pace and reading of the game. Put them together and we can do things we can't do with any other partnership.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3699 on: February 16, 2020, 04:33:26 pm »
He has quietly worked at his game and is now, arguably, the best centre back in the league behind VVD.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3700 on: February 16, 2020, 05:09:13 pm »
Who you hoping to bait with that one Al?  ;D

Himself?
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3701 on: February 16, 2020, 05:19:30 pm »
Who you hoping to bait with that one Al?  ;D
Fuck off Al. This is Big Joe’s appreciation thread. Pro Degsy folks are not welcome here ... 😁

But seriously - unless Gomez somehow lose his place for a reason (I don’t want to mention it), Matip and Lovren are back ups until the foreseeable future
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3702 on: February 16, 2020, 05:23:33 pm »
Shame for Matip as he was one of our best players at the back end of last season and the run up to Madrid. Gomez is undroppable at the moment.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3703 on: February 17, 2020, 10:55:03 am »
Liverpool's first 15 league games - conceded 14 Goals.
In the 16th game (Bournmouth) Lovern gets injured and Gomez is moved to CB.
Liverpool's last 11 League games - conceded 1 goal.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3704 on: February 17, 2020, 11:46:46 am »
This was before the Norwich game.

Obviously because of his injuries Joe’s sample size is a bit smaller, but even so.

Having said that, I think we can disregard the second place player who hasn’t even been in the league this season.


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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3705 on: February 17, 2020, 12:43:26 pm »
One thing I have noticed is that Joe Gomez provides better cover than his predecessors at CB.  This is especially the case with covering for TAA.  Up to mid-December TAA looked vulnerable to speedy wingers who were getting in behind him.    This has stopped happening as Gomez and TAA understand each others games so well.  (Remember when Gomez came on against City and put a stop to Sterling's runs :-))

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3706 on: February 18, 2020, 10:54:33 pm »
When did his long passing get so good? :o

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3707 on: February 18, 2020, 10:57:00 pm »
Thought he was our best player tonight not that there was much competition. Probably put the best cross in as well on a day of poor service into the box
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3708 on: February 19, 2020, 12:19:43 am »
Thought he was our best player tonight not that there was much competition. Probably put the best cross in as well on a day of poor service into the box

Agreed, I think he was our best performer tonight
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3709 on: February 19, 2020, 12:25:36 am »
He certainly looked less vulnerable than Virgil Tuesday night. Hope this conceded goal doesn't get into his head. Referee was an abomination, and I hope UEFA are checking his bank accounts just like Manchester City.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3710 on: February 19, 2020, 11:58:52 am »
Thought he was our best player tonight not that there was much competition. Probably put the best cross in as well on a day of poor service into the box
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3711 on: February 19, 2020, 03:24:55 pm »
And given the host of yellow cards brandished to Atletico players, it was only right he got one to even things out.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3712 on: February 19, 2020, 07:40:37 pm »
And given the host of yellow cards brandished to Atletico players, it was only right he got one to even things out.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3713 on: February 24, 2020, 10:48:47 pm »
Gomez is the future, but I'm not convinced Matip isn't the better defender right now.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3714 on: February 24, 2020, 10:50:20 pm »
Gomez is the future, but I'm not convinced Matip isn't the better defender right now.

Right now Gomez is better for us.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3715 on: February 24, 2020, 10:50:28 pm »
 :o

Gomez has been brilliant for us this season, tonight was just a bad game especially first half.  The best CB partnership at the club is Virg/Joe.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3716 on: February 24, 2020, 11:02:17 pm »
Gomez is the future, but I'm not convinced Matip isn't the better defender right now.

Don’t agree, he and Van Dijk have the best partnership, the most natural. He wasn’t at his best tonight but he’s had a pretty fine run over the last month.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3717 on: February 24, 2020, 11:05:06 pm »
:o

Gomez has been brilliant for us this season, tonight was just a bad game especially first half.  The best CB partnership at the club is Virg/Joe.

Don't even think it was a bad half, just one mistake in the first half that almost let Antonio in (and that awful shot that led to the winner :P) but that's the kind of thing people remember regardless of how good the rest of his performance was.
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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3718 on: February 24, 2020, 11:06:37 pm »
Don't even think it was a bad half, just one mistake in the first half that almost let Antonio in (and that awful shot that led to the winner :P) but that's the kind of thing people remember regardless of how good the rest of his performance was.

He got the wrong side for the first goal, and didn't pick his man for the second, plus his misstep above, and a few missed tackles. He's a brilliant defender but tonight he was a bit average.

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Re: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez
« Reply #3719 on: February 24, 2020, 11:09:32 pm »
He got the wrong side for the first goal, and didn't pick his man for the second, plus his misstep above, and a few missed tackles. He's a brilliant defender but tonight he was a bit average.

Would need to watch the goals again but from memory, not sure the second was his fault (maybe the first). Don't think he missed many tackles either? Antonio played well and did what he always does against us but nothing much wrong with Gomez's game I thought today.
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