Topic: Martin Tyler

[naYoRHa2b]

Cant stand his commentary at the best of times, knew he didn't like us (you don't have to) but was always curious why, now we know how deep that dislike runs. When you keep peddling the same shite at his age there's no hope. That's what he believes, take it to your grave then you old bastard.

[FlashingBlade]

Well done Reds jumping on this straight away.

Take us on at your peril....UEFA please note

[Knight]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

[Skeeve]

Unfortunately I think he'll be OK as he's put it down to a misunderstanding and apologised.  That will be enough to let him off any proper consequences.  He's still an outdated c**t though.


https://twitter.com/neiljonesgoal/status/1555504230265495553?cxt=HHwWgoC9ueS2oZYrAAAA

Translation, I thought I could slip some snide dig past without people noticing, but have been called out for doing so and will now weasel my way out of it with a typical blame other people non-apology.

What an utter c*nt.

[El Lobo]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

He's not an idiot. He knew full well what he was inferring, he knows full well the strength of feeling about Hillsborough and went on anyway to link the tragedy with hooliganism. I suspect knowing full well he could then give some withering apology (which by the way actually seems to be more 'sorry that you didn't understand what I said') and get on with his life, having implanted again the Hillsborough = Hooligans idea in peoples head. He's a hateful, spiteful old fucker and should have been put out to pasture years ago.

[Knight]

Ah that’s the apology. So typical these days. Why couldn’t he say’ ‘I gave the impression that there was a connection between hookiangism and hillsborough and I’m sorry. I didn’t intended to link them and I apologise for misspeaking in such a way. I’m so doing I contributed to a harmful and longstanding, but inaccurate, slur and I’m sorry for the hurt I caused’.

Because here’s the thing, it wasn’t a misunderstanding to read his words as linking the two, they actually did. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and accept apologies but people weren’t simply reading in a ‘sensitive’ fashion. They were hearing what he actually said.

[Barneylfc∗]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

It's important we give people the doubt on many things, but not on this sort of thing. There are so many other ways he could've said the Premier League was shortly after Hillsborough and hooliganism. He chose to say Hillsborough and OTHER hooliganism, clearly implying they were connected. Now he's saying it's our fault because we can't understand what he said.
Over 30 years people have been fighting for justice and the truth, and for 30 years he has been the voice of 'Premier League' football. Making a comment like that is inexcusable.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

The man really is the c*nt's c*nt.

I really hope his cliquey cohorts pull him up publicly about this as well. They will be just as guilty if they don't.

[18 yard line]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

That would be reasonable if these comments came from the ordinary Joe.  But Tyler has been a professional commentator for decades so is well aware of the importance of every word.  I find it very difficult to believe this was not a considered comment and a deliberate jibe at our fans, which would be consistent with the obvious dislike he has for LFC. His ‘efforts’ to sound even slightly excited when we score are generally laughable.

[Knight]

It's important we give people the doubt on many things, but not on this sort of thing. There are so many other ways he could've said the Premier League was shortly after Hillsborough and hooliganism. He chose to say Hillsborough and OTHER hooliganism, clearly implying they were connected. Now he's saying it's our fault because we can't understand what he said.
Over 30 years people have been fighting for justice and the truth, and for 30 years he has been the voice of 'Premier League' football. Making a comment like that is inexcusable.

Yeah, he should have actually apologised rather than apologising for misunderstanding taken rather than misunderstanding given.

[I've been a good boy]

Just go look back at the Martial goal to see what he really thinks of us. He couldn't give a fuck about Hillsborough, this is just an old man letting slip what his true views are. I'll never respect him, he should've been out of Sky years ago.

[JC the Messiah]

That would be reasonable if these comments came from the ordinary Joe.  But Tyler has been a professional commentator for decades so is well aware of the importance of every word.  I find it very difficult to believe this was not a considered comment and a deliberate jibe at our fans, which would be consistent with the obvious dislike he has for LFC. His ‘efforts’ to sound even slightly excited when we score are generally laughable.

Hopefully, the fans will let him know what they think of him, if he's ever commentating at Anfield again. Or even if he's not.

[oojason]

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Cnut. and also the BBC for not challenging it at the time - which has occurred far too often over the years, and they still do nothing but issues inane hollow apologies...



'Martin Tyler apologises after appearing to link Hillsborough with hooliganism':-

Football commentator’s comments fiercely condemned
BBC says it should have robustly challenged Tyler

www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/05/martin-tyler-apologises-after-appearing-to-link-hillsborough-with-hooliganism



Tyler shit words on the BBC 'Today' program (https://twitter.com/StevesWorldLFC/status/1555490237220102145 - with audio of Martin Tyler on the BBC Today program):-

“It was a great adventure and 3,000 live matches later – not all commentated by me, thankfully for the public – it does seem like it worked,” Tyler said. “You have got to remember football was in a bit of a crisis at that time. We weren’t that long after Hillsborough and other hooligan-related issues as well, so it was very much a difficult time for the game generally.”



Tyler's apology later through Sky (https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/1555508332588400644 - comments are turned off):-

Tyler, 76, drew widespread condemnation and he issued an apology through Sky. “This morning, while discussing various crises facing football 30 years ago, I referred to some examples including the Hillsborough disaster and also controversy over hooliganism at matches,” he said.

“These are two separate issues. There is no connection at all between the Hillsborough disaster and hooliganism – I know that, and I was not implying that there was. I apologise sincerely and wholeheartedly for any misunderstanding.”


^ interesting to note Tyler's comments were made on national radio - yet the supposed "apology" was made as a tweet-reply buried in amongst other news (with comments closed).



Fuck you Tyler - there is no "misunderstanding" at all.

His own words speak for themselves. His apology is hollow, meaningless, and is only an attempt to serve himself. There is no genuine or sincere apology there. No remorse either.

He is only sorry for you somehow misunderstanding his words - words of his which are abundantly clear and concise on the subject:-


"Hillsborough and other hooligan-related issues"

[Dim Glas]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

you know what would be good, is if a high profile football ‘personality’ (I use the term lightly for him), would not say such utterly stupid, crass and thoughtless lie to begin with.

I get people make mistakes but there is NO excuse for what he said. Hillsborough has been one of the most sensitive issues in this sport for decades. No one involved for so long as he has been makes that comment, yet he did.  He knows what’s happened, he knows the lies that devestated the families and the people of the city and fans, so to make that ’slip’ perpetuating that lie is beyond comprehension.

[redgriffin73]

^^^ When you read the comments in full like that from oojason it's hard to see why he even felt the need to mention Hillsborough as part of a time of "crisis" for football.

Like I said earlier, he's a c*nt and he knows exactly what a shite "apology" he's come out with as well, it's the usual "sorry if you misunderstood me" apology that people trot out when they don't give a shit.

[Jm55]

As others have said I’d be more inclined to accept the apology and move on were it not for the fact that his job is knowing the right words and the right sequence to say them in to deliver his point (or allegedly anyway).

It’s at best negligent and at worst more sinister than that, i’d like to think it’s the former but who knows with him.

[JC the Messiah]

As others have said I’d be more inclined to accept the apology and move on were it not for the fact that his job is knowing the right words and the right sequence to say them in to deliver his point (or allegedly anyway).

It’s at best negligent and at worst more sinister than that, i’d like to think it’s the former but who knows with him.

No way is it negligent.  If it was, the apology would have been instant, sincere, heartfelt.  It was none of those things.

[bornandbRED]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

[Gerry Attrick]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

Your mask is slipping

[JP!]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

Mhm, of course you do.

[redgriffin73]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

Surely those are the exact words people SHOULD feel outraged by? By using those words he's literally put Hillsborough in the same bracket as "hooligan-related issues".

[Chakan]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

He's grouping them together. Hillsborough and other...

They shouldn't be grouped together, that's the outrage.

[Son of Spion]

He’s apologised which is good. And he says he didn’t intend to connect hooliganism and hillsbrough. I think it’s important we give people the benefit of the doubt on this sort of thing. I’m assuming he hasn’t made other remarks to this sort of effect in the past mind.

The thing with him is he's a long-standing professional commentator. He makes his living via the use of words, so he fully understands the subtleties of their use.

I suspect, although hope I'm wrong, that his real feelings leaked out through how he framed what he said. Possibly subconsciously rather than consciously. He now claims no link between Hillsborough and hooliganism, but how he framed his words actually said otherwise.

Are we now to believe that this long-standing professional commentator whose living is based on words and conveying them to create added drama is now suddenly so clumsy, or do we assume he knew exactly what he was doing?

[Barneylfc∗]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

Leave out the word 'other' and there is no issue. By including it, he is saying they were related. If you aren't outraged, that quite simply suggests you couldn't give a fuck that fans are still being blamed 33 years on.

[JP!]

Leave out the word 'other' and there is no issue. By including it, he is saying they were related. If you aren't outraged, that quite simply suggests you couldn't give a fuck that fans are still being blamed 33 years on.

He probably doesn't mate.

[JC the Messiah]

Storm in a tea cup, I think he’s just worded it clumsily. He does say ‘other’ and ‘as well’. Find it hard to be outraged at that.

Genuine question, is English your native/first language? 

Do you understand the meaning of the word 'other' in this context?  Do you understand that if he'd used the word 'and' and not included 'other' the meaning and implication would have been vastly different?

Also, do you understand the implications of what he was saying by explicitly linking the two?  Do you understand the history behind what happened at Hillsborough, and the falsehoods and blame attached to Liverpool fans? Do you understand the campaign that has been running since then to establish in court that there is no blame to apportion to Liverpool fans on the day? Do you understand when people link hooliganism to Hillsborough that it's a slur (usually deliberate) against Liverpool fans (and football fans in general)?

Just want to ensure there's no misunderstanding.

[Red Beret]

BBC News Press Team
@BBCNewsPR
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We regret that we did not robustly challenge Martin Tyler on a comment which appeared to link Hillsborough & hooliganism. Martin has since apologised for the comment & clarified that these were separate examples & he did not intend to conflate the two.

His intent is irrelevant; the damage is done, it always is.

He should never be allowed inside Anfield again, and the club should protest him ever commentating on our games again.

[Son of Spion]

Leave out the word 'other' and there is no issue. By including it, he is saying they were related. If you aren't outraged, that quite simply suggests you couldn't give a fuck that fans are still being blamed 33 years on.

What he said was framed in such a way that it makes the link, but leaves enough room for him to go on to claim it's the reader/viewer who is at fault for misinterpreting. So, it will hurt those that matter, and be explained away by those who would like to see us hurting whilst suggesting we are playing the victim.

Basically, it plays into the establishment narrative on the disaster.

[JC the Messiah]

His intent is irrelevant; the damage is done, it always is.

He should never be allowed inside Anfield again, and the club should protest him ever commentating on our games again.

Of course there was intent.  If he was a foreign journalist or commentator without decades of knowledge and experience of working in English football, then maybe it could have been unintentional.  The onus was on him to get it right.  The fact he said what he said, and there wasn't an instant and sincere apology and embarrassment, shows what he really thinks and that he meant what he said.

[JC the Messiah]

Remember, words are his craft.  He might be a crap commentator, but he is very skilled with words. He certainly understands how words can be used and interpreted.

[amir87]

Would have been hard to forgive even if he gave a sincere apology. The arrogant fossil couldn't even do that.

[Dench57]

Hope this finishes the c*nt

[JC the Messiah]

Would have been hard to forgive even if he gave a sincere apology. The arrogant fossil couldn't even do that.

A johnson-esque apology. Not sincere, no hint of embarrassment or remorse.  Just sorry he was called out. c*nt.

[disgraced cake]

Hope this finishes the c*nt

It won't. He didn't even apologise to anybody who might have been offended by it, only to his employers.

He's there until he dies I reckon, seriously. If he's doing Friday night football tonight he'll probably bring it up for a few seconds and be called 'a class act' or something for even acknowledging it. Arl c*nt.

[Andy82lfc]

Yeah it just seems implausible you can say it was a simple mix up, it was a freudian slip at the very least. I mean this whole thing about how you can be talking about something unrelated is one thing but when you actually put something else in place of the word Hillsborough it would not make sense.

I mean would it make sense for him to say "it was not long after the world cup and other hooligan related issues as well"? It doesn't fit or make sense unless he was consciously or subconsciously clearly having Hillsborough related with hooliganism in mind.

Would have been better to say he was pissed or on medication or something, problem is he has come out with his excuse now which doesn't seem to wash.

[flyingcod]

We play Palace at home on Sky on 15th August (live on $ky).

Can't see him turning up for that one.

What an arse of a man.

fc

[Red Beret]

 “Hillsborough and other hooligan related issues”.

It's very clever, really. Stick a comma in so that it says,  “Hillsborough and other, hooligan related issues”, and it loses much of its sting. Most people will read the quote rather than hearing it, so some will wonder what the fuss is about.

The man's a fucking match commentator. He should know how to speak. At the very least it betrays a careless, snide mindset that just lumps disasters in together. At worst it shows outright ignorance and entrenched beliefs.

I bet he wouldn't have said  “The Bradford Fire and other hooligan related issues”.

[Mighty_Red]

Just shows the kind of ignorance we have in journalism these days. BBC interviewers are often very slow to challenge remarks made by interviewees, especially politicians, or they'll challenge them woth some irrelevant nonsense.

If the BBC are going to invite 'experts' onto their programmes, they should damn well make sure they actually know their subject.

Tyler has shown either he knows fuck all, or he is simply a c*nt. Either way he should be fucked off the telly.

[Dench57]

It won't. He didn't even apologise to anybody who might have been offended by it, only to his employers.

He's there until he dies I reckon, seriously. If he's doing Friday night football tonight he'll probably bring it up for a few seconds and be called 'a class act' or something for even acknowledging it. Arl c*nt.

You're probably right. The snide c*nt should've been put out to pasture years ago but he's some sort of national treasure

[Boaty McBoatface]

Having just listened to it, I didn't think he was trying to conflate the two things. To my ear the "other" and "as well" sounded like a separator rather than a joiner. But I'm not a language expert.

The thing is I can hear it the other way too, and that's where the problem lies. Tyler is a professional and words are his livelihood. He should know better.

What I think we can all agree on is that whether he meant to or not, we as fans cannot allow ambiguity to be an excuse. We have to make sure that any and all media are left in no doubt that if we detect even the hint of misrepresentation, we'll come down on them with everything we've got.