Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[filopastry]

Literally just seen her have that point put to her in an interview. She said she's been on a 'journey' and learned a  lot over the last three years about how much good stuff the EU does!

I do also think that some MPs struggle a bit with being elected on a manifesto promising one thing when they may have personal views which are very different, some no doubt feel some kind of obligation to respect that

[jepovic]

Is there not a correlation here?

Johnson is only PM because of the complete shitness of Corbyn.  That IS the tree.

Labour has to have a palatable leader next. It cannot just rely on people voting for them just because they’re not the Tories.

This will be four elections in a row that labour has lost.

Maybe there’s something to learn from that?

And Corbyn is only leading Labour because of the complete shitness of May.
Any decent and reasonably likeable Tory leader would have crushed him.

Let this sink in: The leader of Labour still hasn't formed a clear opinion on the most important political issue in decades.

[Dr. Beaker]

And Corbyn is only leading Labour because of the complete shitness of May.

And the complete shitness of Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham when it mattered.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Just been called a Tory because I don't think Corbyn walks on water.

[killer-heels]

Literally just seen her have that point put to her in an interview. She said she's been on a 'journey' and learned a  lot over the last three years about how much good stuff the EU does!

Or in her case, a week.

[Andy]

Or in her case, a week.

The fact she was one of the rebels to be kicked out of the party a while ago suggests that it is longer than a week?

[Dr. Beaker]

Don't forget a lot of people voted for the Johnson Bill because they knew it was going to get amended into a BRINO in all probability.

Not any more of course.

[killer-heels]

The fact she was one of the rebels to be kicked out of the party a while ago suggests that it is longer than a week?

Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.

Frankly, we probably should offer MPs 150K a year*. It would encourage people with real talent to enter into politics. There are far too many who are better suited for light administration duties or flipping burgers.

* But there is zero chance of the UK electorate being able to understand why we might wish to do this.

[Dr. Beaker]

It'll be interesting to see the ERG response to Falange's latest toxic emissions.

[Alan_X]

Yet, eventually, she still voted for the deal that Johnson put forward? So she went from that and complete revoke?

These MP's are a joke. Heidi 'Crocodile Tears' Allen has talked about being completely against Brexit and yet I clearly remember a Radio 5 live panel she was on in 2016 where she said she didn't know whether she would campaign for Remain or Leave.

These people are supposed to be guiding us. I reckon when they have mapped out their career choices they have actively decided that the easiest way to earn over £70k a year is to become an MP.

The average length of service for an MP is 8 years so hardly a brilliant career choice, given the work needed to get a seat in the first place.

[dirks digglers]

It'll be interesting to see the ERG response to Falange's latest toxic emissions.

Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you don’t go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Boris’s deal doesn’t take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. That’s why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa May’s deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. I’m sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."

[Trada]

The Brexit party and the Tories scrapping over who can have more of the Brexit cake and tickle Trump's balls the longest.

Skynews talking about will Johnson change his Brexit deal to keep Frottage happy the  Right are starting to fall to pieces.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you don’t go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Boris’s deal doesn’t take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. That’s why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa May’s deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. I’m sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."

nige doesn’t want to lose that 6 figure salary for a job where he turns up a couple of times a year to shout how virtuous he is

[Dr. Beaker]

Ol' Nige is going to 'bombard every house in this land' with literature explaining to everyone how shit Johnson's deal is - I'm actually starting to like  this guy.

[KillieRed]

Here you go. Francois:

"I think Nigel screwed it up. If you genuinely want to work with another political party, you don’t go on live national television and call them liars, which is what he did. He said Boris’s deal doesn’t take us out of the European Union. That is not true. It does take us out of the European Union. That’s why I and my fellow so-called Spartans [the 28 Tory Brexiters who voted against Theresa May’s deal three times] voted for it. We would never, ever have voted for it if we thought it kept us in. I’m sorry, but Nigel is just is simply mistaken.

If that was meant to be to be an olive branch, Nigel completely cocked it up."

Picture Francois in nowt but a loin cloth. I dare you.

[stevo7]

Picture Francois in nowt but a loin cloth. I dare you.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Picture Francois in nowt but a loin cloth. I dare you.

[Trada]

Adam Ramsay
🎃
‏ @AdamRamsay

EXCLUSIVE: The Metropolitan Police have passed a file of criminal evidence against @BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings' Vote Leave campaign to the Crown Prosecution Service:

[Alan_X]

Adam Ramsay

‏ @AdamRamsay

EXCLUSIVE: The Metropolitan Police have passed a file of criminal evidence against @BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings' Vote Leave campaign to the Crown Prosecution Service:

Sadly this is completely irrelevant to the election campaign and will make no difference to the outcome.

And if Labour believe the Vote Leave campaign committed criminal offences, why the fuck did Corbyn have a go at Swinson the other day and bang on about the legitimacy of the referendum result.

Can you please sort out what your boy's fucking message is? Was the Referendum campaign corrupt or was it legitimate?

Another Corbyn gem, the campaign led by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Dominic Cummings was guilty of numerous criminal offences but the result was legitimate and must be respected...

[PaulF]

So on the one hand, I'm pleased that it looks like Frottage will take a large number of Tory votes. On the other I'm now concerned he may end up with a significant number of seats in the HoC.

[drmick]

So on the one hand, I'm pleased that it looks like Frottage will take a large number of Tory votes. On the other I'm now concerned he may end up with a significant number of seats in the HoC.

They will get no seats.

But even if they did, I don't see how that is a bad thing. Proper PR voting would greatly diminish Tory numbers but allow smaller parties, right and left, the opportunity to gain seats. Such a system is more likely to lead to the need for compromise.

[Mutton Geoff]

And the complete shitness of Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham when it mattered.

   Nail hammered my friend

[Mutton Geoff]

The average length of service for an MP is 8 years so hardly a brilliant career choice, given the work needed to get a seat in the first place.

Although the voters in Rushcliffe might struggle without Ken to vote for.

[Raid]

So on the one hand, I'm pleased that it looks like Frottage will take a large number of Tory votes. On the other I'm now concerned he may end up with a significant number of seats in the HoC.

As drmick says, they will highly likely end with no seats. That's even if they get 10% of the overall vote share, with how FPTP works.

I think at the moment the Tories are trying to call Frottage's bluff, or perhaps there's informal talks behind the scenes. Frottage knows in reality if he takes the Tories on, Brexit is in jeopardy. I think you'll see him go after Labour in the heartlands that voted Leave.

[thaddeus]

To give Frottage some credit he has been consistent in his message that the Brexit Party would only assist the Tories in a GE if the Tories adopted no-deal as their official policy.  I thought he'd wriggle out of that this week but he's reiterated it.

I suppose the question now is whether Cummings will take the bait and adopt a terrible no-deal policy over their almost-as-terrible deal.  It would be a real lifting of the mask moment if they were to.

Now if only the 'remain alliance' could get their act together we could have some good news in six weeks' time.

[oldfordie]

To give Frottage some credit he has been consistent in his message that the Brexit Party would only assist the Tories in a GE if the Tories adopted no-deal as their official policy.  I thought he'd wriggle out of that this week but he's reiterated it.

I suppose the question now is whether Cummings will take the bait and adopt a terrible no-deal policy over their almost-as-terrible deal.  It would be a real lifting of the mask moment if they were to.

Now if only the 'remain alliance' could get their act together we could have some good news in six weeks' time.

No Johnson cant change course now. the deal is big part of his election campaign.
You can see whats coming already as he's been repeating the same points a few times over the last week.
"Everyone said I couldn't do this and that. I did it
Everyone said i couldn't make the EU change the WA. I did it.
Everyone said I wouldn't get a deal. I did it."

[oldfordie]

Adam Ramsay
🎃
‏ @AdamRamsay

EXCLUSIVE: The Metropolitan Police have passed a file of criminal evidence against @BorisJohnson and Dominic Cummings' Vote Leave campaign to the Crown Prosecution Service:

Caroline Lucas
@CarolineLucas
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections
Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy

[Jiminy Cricket]

To be fair that’s me paraphrasing his position.

I did actually take that as a quote. You could have at least used single quotes, or italics instead of double quotes. The problem is, Corbyn is so dumb, it did not surprise that he had apparently made those remarks, which is rather damning in of itself.

[Alan_X]

Caroline Lucas
@CarolineLucas
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections
Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy

That’s not what the report says though. It’s Vote Leave that’s been referred to the CPS, not those individuals. And that’s why it won’t impact on the election.

[Alan_X]

I did actually take that as a quote. You could have at least used single quotes, or italics instead of double quotes. The problem is, Corbyn is so dumb, it did not surprise that he had apparently made those remarks, which is rather damning in of itself.

Reading back it came across as a quote. Amended...

[oldfordie]

That’s not what the report says though. It’s Vote Leave that’s been referred to the CPS, not those individuals. And that’s why it won’t impact on the election.

It won't impact the GE, it does show the police must believe laws might have been broken as the files have been passed onto the CPS, Johnson and Cummings both played a massive part of the campaign so they have questions to answer I imagine.

[TSC]

Caroline Lucas
@CarolineLucas
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections
Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy

And not mentioned at all on the news this morning.  All focus on the rugby final on bbc which is fair enough. Aside from this the only ‘news’ story is about fracking being suspended by government, which is obviously an important story too.  Although cynics may see this as a temp decision given the impending election.

But not one mention of the met police referring the ‘leave’ campaign to the CPS.  So anyone reliant on bbc for news will have no knowledge of this.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

So anyone reliant on bbc for news will have no knowledge of this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50267454

Unless they read the website.

[PaulF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50267454

Unless they read the website.

Thanks Sam, I felt sure I'd read about it on the BBC, and in fact heard it on the radio.

[PaulF]

As drmick says, they will highly likely end with no seats. That's even if they get 10% of the overall vote share, with how FPTP works.

I think at the moment the Tories are trying to call Frottage's bluff, or perhaps there's informal talks behind the scenes.Frottage knows in reality if he takes the Tories on, Brexit is in jeopardy. I think you'll see him go after Labour in the heartlands that voted Leave.

I suspect they'll get a 'surprising' number of votes from disillusioned brexiteers.  Thankfully FPTP keeps them away from govenrment, I'd bet they take a lot more labour votes than we want too.

[redmark]

And not mentioned at all on the news this morning.  All focus on the rugby final on bbc which is fair enough. Aside from this the only ‘news’ story is about fracking being suspended by government, which is obviously an important story too.  Although cynics may see this as a temp decision given the impending election.

But not one mention of the met police referring the ‘leave’ campaign to the CPS.  So anyone reliant on bbc for news will have no knowledge of this.

It was on yesterday and last night. You know, when it was 'news'.

[OneTouchFooty]

That’s not what the report says though. It’s Vote Leave that’s been referred to the CPS, not those individuals. And that’s why it won’t impact on the election.

Thats like saying  “Yes, the company ran by Johnson might well be suspected of massive fraud and financial improprieties.. but it’s nothing to do with him”.

He’s culpable as the figurehead.. if anything comes of it that is.

(Edit: quoted wrong person!)

[rob1966]

Caroline Lucas
@CarolineLucas
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections
Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy

Martin Burslam 🕷
@NeonLuvBar
Replying to
@CarolineLucas
This could be equally serious...
Johnson is withholding a report into Russian interference in the EU referendum.

[Zeb]

Martin Burslam 🕷
@NeonLuvBar
Replying to
@CarolineLucas
This could be equally serious...
Johnson is withholding a report into Russian interference in the EU referendum.

If it's the same one, then it's meant to be coming out via a US report which will touch on both referendum 2016 and general election 2017 as part of Russia's attempts to influence elections around the world. Sort of waiting on the US Senate to release it.