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not got the sound up but who are those 2?

Matt Scott from World Football and Luke Moore from the Football Ramble.

Basically they have a pop at Salah, say we should be "worried" about conceding three goals and "going back to the Liverpool of last year" (it's one fucking game ffs). Oh and if anyone can get "too emotionally involved in a title run in" it's Liverpool.

Yawn.

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Muppet in the pink shirt says Klopp should be worried about the sack because in his first two seasons we only got 60 points in the league, we got 76 in 2016/2017, I've never heard more drivel in all my life. Maybe the punditry isn't too bad on the UK channels after all.
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I watched some of the "analysis" from Messrs Ferdinand, Jenas and Keown on BT Sport the other day, I honestly couldn't believe some of the absolute toss they were coming out with, Jake Humphrey was making way more sense and valid points than the three of them put together, still to this day can't understand why ex footballers are automatically front runners for these jobs, fucking hell I could do better.

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I watched some of the "analysis" from Messrs Ferdinand, Jenas and Keown on BT Sport the other day, I honestly couldn't believe some of the absolute toss they were coming out with, Jake Humphrey was making way more sense and valid points than the three of them put together, still to this day can't understand why ex footballers are automatically front runners for these jobs, fucking hell I could do better.

Agreed. Give me the BT European Football Show/CL Goals Show crew any day. Speak more sense than all ex pros put together. James Richardson should present all football, ever.

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Punditry doesn't get much worse:

https://youtu.be/BvK9Zj4Fe_k

Fucking hell, all doom and gloom at Liverpool isn’t it? Listening to that you’d think we’re stranded at the bottom 11 points from safety.

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The drivel is never ending.

https://youtu.be/4xr2B2LB8oA

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Get out of the champions league as soon as possible....says merse. Spoken like a true fucking yard dog who's never been anywhere near a European Cup Final. Must be back on the beak.

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Get out of the champions league as soon as possible....says merse. Spoken like a true fucking yard dog who's never been anywhere near a European Cup Final. Must be back on the beak.
Just shows you how much football has changed.

In years gone by it was all about winning as many competitions as you could.

Now it's about getting out of as many as you can as quickly as you can so you can concentrate on just one.  :butt

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Merson is an out and out fraud, not to mention a fucking enormous idiot, if brains were dynamite he wouldn't have enough to blow his cap off, stealing a living.

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Spot on.......Too much talking nowadays acting as filler inbetween the actual sport being played. Just to serve up the incessant shite that certain generations crave. It's become Emmerdale for men.

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Just shows you how much football has changed.

In years gone by it was all about winning as many competitions as you could.

Now it's about getting out of as many as you can as quickly as you can so you can concentrate on just one.  :butt

The founding fathers of great football dynasties are turning in their graves as we speak.

Indeed. I hate the modern day attitude towards cup competitions.
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Has anyone mentioned that fuckwit Tactics Tim on that Sky Debate show?, not a single fucking clue.

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Luke Moore is great on the Football Ramble, pretty shoddy as a proper pundit though it seems

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Luke Moore is great on the Football Ramble, pretty shoddy as a proper pundit though it seems

An Improper Pundit, then?
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Now it's about getting out of as many as you can as quickly as you can so you can concentrate on just one.  :butt


And then when you don't win that one either they criticise you for throwing all your eggs in one basket or not having a strong enough squad to compete in more competitions.
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It's the way they turn the drivel these idiots spout into headlines, as in:

"Liverpool should aim to get knocked out of the Champions League".......................................Paul Merson told Sky Sports. As if attaching his name to the quote gives it credibility.

It just keeps the whole cycle of bullshit going. It's awful.

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Just shows you how much football has changed.

In years gone by it was all about winning as many competitions as you could.

Now it's about getting out of as many as you can as quickly as you can so you can concentrate on just one.  :butt
And that's just our own fans saying that!

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Recently it's got me thinking is it just UK sport who use the mantra 'they've played the game, they know the game'

I remember a few weeks ago when Southampton hired Hasenhuttl and the aptly titled 'experts' claimed to hardly know a thing about him! This is a guy who's managed in the Bundesliga and Champions League not the fecking Estonia 3rd division (no offence intended to the Estonia 3rd division). How can they claim to be 'experts'??

Take films for example. You don't see Stallone or Statham being the film critic for the New York Times or the BBC. Even relating to a sport. In the NFL they do have ex-pros on shows like Total Access or Good Morning Football but they only make up around 50% of the team, so you get a balance. Listening to some of the tripe on MOTD and Sky is embarrassing.

Rarely do they offer anything insightful (or even coherent most of the time) or anything above the levels of most pubs chats. The standard of broadcasting in the UK is dreadful 
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Merson is an out and out fraud, not to mention a fucking enormous idiot, if brains were dynamite he wouldn't have enough to blow his cap off, stealing a living.

Talking of Merson, I take it maths was never his strong point -  this is what he said today "t's a good time to play Tottenham. If you could say before the game that you can pull out three players from that team, then it would be Harry Kane, Dele Alli and Heung-Min Son, along with Christian Eriksen"

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Recently it's got me thinking is it just UK sport who use the mantra 'they've played the game, they know the game'

I remember a few weeks ago when Southampton hired Hasenhuttl and the aptly titled 'experts' claimed to hardly know i thing about him! This is a guy who's managed in the Bundesliga and Champions League not the fecking Estonia 3rd division (no offence intended to the Estonia 3rd division). How can they claim to be 'experts'??

Take films for example. You don't see Stallone or Statham being the film critic for the New York Times or the BBC. Even relating to a sport. In the NFL they do have ex-pros on shows like Total Access or Good Morning Football but they only make up around 50% of the team, so you get a balance. Listening to some of the tripe on MOTD and Sky is embarrassing.

Rarely do they offer anything insightful (or even coherent most of the time) or anything above the levels of most pubs chats. The standard of broadcasting in the UK is dreadful 

Gary Lineker was very outspoken about this once in a very patronising manner, that OF COURSE they know more than non-footballers.  ::) After seeing Joe Cole tell the world you can't score with your shoulder, I hope it made him have a re-think.  Even if some do, it doesn't mean they're intelligent enough to put their points across well.
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I don't actually mind merson.

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Recently it's got me thinking is it just UK sport who use the mantra 'they've played the game, they know the game'

I remember a few weeks ago when Southampton hired Hasenhuttl and the aptly titled 'experts' claimed to hardly know a thing about him! This is a guy who's managed in the Bundesliga and Champions League not the fecking Estonia 3rd division (no offence intended to the Estonia 3rd division). How can they claim to be 'experts'??

Take films for example. You don't see Stallone or Statham being the film critic for the New York Times or the BBC. Even relating to a sport. In the NFL they do have ex-pros on shows like Total Access or Good Morning Football but they only make up around 50% of the team, so you get a balance. Listening to some of the tripe on MOTD and Sky is embarrassing.

Rarely do they offer anything insightful (or even coherent most of the time) or anything above the levels of most pubs chats. The standard of broadcasting in the UK is dreadful

Thats a good point, I wish it was different for football. I'd love to see more input from non players. Having said that I do like to watch the American Football highlights on the BBC and the 2 lads on there are ex players who certainly know their stuff. Maybe its just the average footballer in the UK that would never trouble the engravers at the Mastermind competition.

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Thats a good point, I wish it was different for football. I'd love to see more input from non players. Having said that I do like to watch the American Football highlights on the BBC and the 2 lads on there are ex players who certainly know their stuff. Maybe its just the average footballer in the UK that would never trouble the engravers at the Mastermind competition.

They’re great on the NFL show. They come across well and aren’t afraid to have a laugh at their own expense. Think too many of the ex pros are a bit highly strung and over sensitive to criticism.

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They’re great on the NFL show. They come across well and aren’t afraid to have a laugh at their own expense. Think too many of the ex pros are a bit highly strung and over sensitive to criticism.

Yes, they are great. I never miss the 2 weekly shows and have to say its mainly down to those two lads. They got me reinterested in the game. Contrast that with MotD where im winding most of it on or shouting at the telly due to the pundits bullshit. I can tolerate Lineker but its so rare to have both pundits who are ok.

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Thats a good point, I wish it was different for football. I'd love to see more input from non players. Having said that I do like to watch the American Football highlights on the BBC and the 2 lads on there are ex players who certainly know their stuff. Maybe its just the average footballer in the UK that would never trouble the engravers at the Mastermind competition.
Yeah Jason and Osi are great on that show and they work well with Mark Chapman. They really know their stuff but also have personalities (something severely lacking with some of our ex-pros)

However maybe that slightly backs up the point because Chapman is quite clearly not an ex-pro it works so well, the chemistry that team have is great
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Majority of ex pros in the NFL and NBA have actually had a good education on top of their sports careers.*





*I'm aware many of them have degrees handed to them on a plate but you'd think they're not the ones who decide to go in to punditry.
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I watch a number of sports and quite like watching and listening to the pundits in most of them, apart from football.

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I watch a number of sports and quite like watching and listening to the pundits in most of them, apart from football.


True the Rugby pundits are mostly highly knowledgeable, even those who have played game at top level, Football pundits on the other hand are either agenda driven, or thick as two short planks, a few of the English pundits come across as xenophobic as well.

The only football pundits i can listen to, are those from the BT Goals show during the Champions League group stages, these are what pundits should be informative, interesting & entertaining, Tim Vickery is also good on the BBC Website.
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I used to think it would be good for football shows on TV to feature more sports writers and even articulate fans as pundits rather than just the usual ex-player gravy train. But then you hear the rubbish spouted by journos and by fans when they do occasionally appear on screen and you begin to wonder whether the idiocy is a consequence of appearing on TV shows rather than inherent.

Sometime the same pundit is very different in different shows or on different channels.

Some pundits are clearly just morons; with others I wonder if the picture is a bit more complex
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I don't actually mind merson.

He’s a fucking idiot but at least he’s a consistent, not particularly vindictive or biased idiot.
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I used to think it would be good for football shows on TV to feature more sports writers and even articulate fans as pundits rather than just the usual ex-player gravy train. But then you hear the rubbish spouted by journos and by fans when they do occasionally appear on screen and you begin to wonder whether the idiocy is a consequence of appearing on TV shows rather than inherent.

Sometime the same pundit is very different in different shows or on different channels.

Some pundits are clearly just morons; with others I wonder if the picture is a bit more complex
Jermaine Jenas started off pretty well, being quite fair and trying to put a positive spin on everything - kinda like the antitheses to talkSport. Now, he's very different, just being your standard pundit, talking only in headlines, without substance and being a bit shouty about it.
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Why is he hated? For generally being an egotistical arse?
Yes and for telling all Welsh people that we're just bitter and jealous when we don't support England in the footy. Check out #BlockedbyJasonMohammed on Twitter - it's all just Welsh people, mostly football fans.

I once tweeted him telling that he was wrong saying a dive at Anfield was a pen, he just replied something like "Typical Liverpool fan, never wrong you lot" or words to that affect. Twat.

He has, however, learnt Welsh to a fluent level and sends his kids to a Welsh speaking school. But that's an entire other matter!
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Take films for example. You don't see Stallone or Statham being the film critic for the New York Times or the BBC. Even relating to a sport. In the NFL they do have ex-pros on shows like Total Access or Good Morning Football but they only make up around 50% of the team, so you get a balance. Listening to some of the tripe on MOTD and Sky is embarrassing.

Rarely do they offer anything insightful (or even coherent most of the time) or anything above the levels of most pubs chats. The standard of broadcasting in the UK is dreadful

Aren't you underestimating the amount on stuff like the NFL, it does seem like a high proportion of the broadcast teams are filled with ex-players and ex-coaches, the latter of which I wish they would stop calling coach too.

The bigger issue with UK football punditry is much like the manager merry-go-round, once somebody gets onto it, they don't tend to bin them off even when they prove to be lacking insight, boring or just plain useless at the job.

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Aren't you underestimating the amount on stuff like the NFL, it does seem like a high proportion of the broadcast teams are filled with ex-players and ex-coaches, the latter of which I wish they would stop calling coach too.

The bigger issue with UK football punditry is much like the manager merry-go-round, once somebody gets onto it, they don't tend to bin them off even when they prove to be lacking insight, boring or just plain useless at the job.

So you're saying we should be looking for up-and-coming pundits from the German regional broadcasters?
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So you're saying we should be looking for up-and-coming pundits from the German regional broadcasters?

There's nothing wrong with them sticking with former PL players, just keep trying new ones, including foreign players rather than sticking with the same tired old bunch of fuckwits that infest our tellys these days, give more time to the ones that show signs of improving and at the same time look for interesting journalists and presenters too that aren't just going to parrot the same old shite we get now.

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So you're saying we should be looking for up-and-coming pundits from the German regional broadcasters?

Worked with Kloppo  :P

Funnily, or not rather, Didi Hamann is looked upon in a similar way in Germany that lots of ex players are over here, going on what BVB fans say anyway, they can't stand his punditry cos he's always up Bayern's backside, and in their mind is always negative about Dortmund.

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Worked with Kloppo  :P

Funnily, or not rather, Didi Hamann is looked upon in a similar way in Germany that lots of ex players are over here, going on what BVB fans say anyway, they can't stand his punditry cos he's always up Bayern's backside, and in their mind is always negative about Dortmund.

I think a lot of fans usually think that commentators and/or pundits are biased against their team.

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I don't actually mind merson.
Fucking hell lad, he's a buffoon, that seems to be his shtick, mispronunciation of foreign players names and outright fuckwittery.

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I think a lot of fans usually think that commentators and/or pundits are biased against their team.

oh definitely! Hamann is a right dick though, so I wasn't surprised he's seen as such with fans in germany too. And of course, being an ex Bayern player, probably not going to endear him to fans of Dortmund anyway!

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Fucking hell lad, he's a buffoon, that seems to be his shtick, mispronunciation of foreign players names and outright fuckwittery.

He's like your typical drunken Uncle, funny at the time but when you sit down and think about it he's an embarrassment.
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