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the passion for this show is ridiculous.

understandable reactions going on all over the place i guess....except that guy just left RAWK. shit man!  :o

i've been enjoying this season and with my eyes open to the issues surrounding it, the pace...the endings not fitting the characters etc.
some stuff i would have preferred to happen differently but its just entertainment in the end and its working on me i guess!

some of the scenes in both wars were just incredible and i will remember this season mainly for those, but I guess the other stuff to progress the story to its conclusion which seems to grate so many I just cant get too bothered about. see things like that alot in many shows/films that i like and have learned to just look past stuff like that. to a point (that has not been breached by GoT yet for me!)

Endings to shows this long are never great, and yeah this show was an exception to the norm for a long time at how well it did everything but I dunno. Just watching what unfolds and not getting too distracted by how its happening is what im doing and its fun

Sad that there's only 1 left.

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But we're not taken along with the narrative. This season (and last?) we've had some key plot memes in flashing lights with big signs saying 'important plot point', whilst other times we're left guessing and having to fill in major gaps ourselves because the writers have neglected to follow the gradual and careful story exposition that characterised the earlier seasons.

See I agree with this wholeheartedly. Its not been written as well as it might have been.

BUT, as you've explained above, its still all there if you or I as the viewer chooses to see it and is able to make their peace with it being hurried along.

All the motivation, all the beats, all the theory and logic behind her demolishing KL and the innocents she took out...they are there.

If the show's style would have allowed for a 'nam style flashback for her in the moment where the bells were ringing of the moments where she'd lost her children, her lover, her friends, the attempted poisoning of her in the days before, her sacrifices not leading her to being accepted or loved just before she went and burned everyone then I'm convinced there'd be less annoyance with it.

Its why so many of the alternative scripts or when people throw out their own ideas you see so many of them saying Rhaegal should have been killed in episode 8 just as the bells were ringing or some equivalent. Because of the short hand overt motivation it gives her to sack KL there and then in anger, its easy to grasp and hand fed. That would *actually* be lazy writing though.

This season's issue might actually be that its not as overt as it needed to be if you're going to hurry things along in this manner.

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Whenever she's gone a little OTT with the vengeance, it's been against people who have either caused her harm or harmed innocents. The crucifying of the slave masters was in direct retaliation for the slave children the masters had crucified to taunt her. The witch betrayed Dany rescuing her by double-crossing her with the blood magic on Drogo. The slaver selling the Unsullied insulted her when he believed she couldn't understand him. Etc.

She is impulsive and can lash out - and she can 'group punish' the majority for crimes committed by a minority (the son of one of the crucified slave masters told her that his father was a good man who campaigned against slavery; she'd picked the 'victims' at random)

But like I say, it was always against people she viewed as committing wrongs.

What had the ordinary civilians of King's Landing done to deserve her mass-murder spree? Why & how the sudden sea-change from a figure who could be murderously ruthless in the name of noble vengeance, to someone slaughtering thousands of innocents in a rampage after the city had surrendered?

Precisely.

Taking out the entirety of the Golden Company and the Lannister army despite the bells ringing would have been in line with her character. Slaughtering innocent people is not.

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Has to be the most hypocritical comment ever. You have a forum full of people discussing nothing but GOT. Its End of Season. I have clearly stated I would like to promote my blog if possible and added links explaining the GOT content. And we have a moderator telling stop spamming your blog. Why not? Its doesn't have some virus or porn or anything illegal. Its a legitimate blog and as a fellow red came here asking support and encouragement and looking for a healthy GOT discussion.

And then the threat of a Ban from RAWK. What a Joke..


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Why not? Its doesn't have some virus or porn or anything illegal.
Well now I'm definitely not checking it out.

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Has to be the most hypocritical comment ever. You have a forum full of people discussing nothing but GOT. Its End of Season. I have clearly stated I would like to promote my blog if possible and added links explaining the GOT content. And we have a moderator telling stop spamming your blog. Why not? Its doesn't have some virus or porn or anything illegal. Its a legitimate blog and as a fellow red came here asking support and encouragement and looking for a healthy GOT discussion.

And then the threat of a Ban from RAWK. What a Joke..


I don't care. There are some values that I believe in both as a human and as a LFC supporter for 15 years. When you get threatened disrespectfully by some unknown nobody over some trivial stuff just to show off, I am not Jon Snow nor are you the Mad Queen. SO a big Fuck OFF!

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I don't get the hatred for the episode and Daenerys' "descent to madness"

Has she descended to madness, or is she simply doing what she has always done?


She always said, bend the knee or be my enemy, sure they surrendered but she KNOWS that Westeros people aren't going to simply accept her, people seem to think she was doing all the other stuff out of kindness but it was all with the goal to retake the Iron Throne, she has always said she will get it at all costs, it's her purpose!


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I don't get the hatred for the episode and Daenerys' "descent to madness"

Has she descended to madness, or is she simply doing what she has always done?


She always said, bend the knee or be my enemy, sure they surrendered but she KNOWS that Westeros people aren't going to simply accept her, people seem to think she was doing all the other stuff out of kindness but it was all with the goal to retake the Iron Throne, she has always said she will get it at all costs, it's her purpose!

No. She isn't.

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Sunday’s episode of Game of Thrones was polarizing among fans, but it still set records for ratings and viewership. “The Bells” brought in 12.5 million viewers for its first airing on Sunday night, topping the record of 12.2 million for “The Long Night.” That shook out to a 5.41 demo rating.

As Deadline notes, the episode climbed to 18.4 million with digital data added in from HBO GO and HBO Now, setting a new record for a single broadcast episode for HBO.





The above does mean bugger all considering the absolute shite that consistently gets ratings, but maybe this series hasn't been generally hated as much as the internet would have you believe.


Like you said the ratings don't mean anything,people are going to be watching it as they've watched all of the others,it broke another record though.


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The images come on the heels of the penultimate episode, “The Bells,” setting HBO ratings records with more than 18.4 million viewers and also promoting a rather intense backlash (with a record-low Rotten Tomatoes score of just 47 percent).

Not sure how as the Bells was the best of the series,certainly better than the previous one.
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No. She isn't.

"Daenerys’s tactics have always been more deeply rooted in dominance than in empathy (she spent an entire season insisting a peer united in the struggle with her “bend the knee”), and she has for seasons framed her politics as a generational struggle, rather than an evolutionary process that necessarily includes the freely-given consent of the governed. And, most notably of all, her case for herself as queen, and the actions she’s taken to get there, pivot around the idea of revenge."

I really don't get why she's seen as a good person.

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Has to be the most hypocritical comment ever. You have a forum full of people discussing nothing but GOT. Its End of Season. I have clearly stated I would like to promote my blog if possible and added links explaining the GOT content. And we have a moderator telling stop spamming your blog. Why not? Its doesn't have some virus or porn or anything illegal. Its a legitimate blog and as a fellow red came here asking support and encouragement and looking for a healthy GOT discussion.

And then the threat of a Ban from RAWK. What a Joke..


I don't care. There are some values that I believe in both as a human and as a LFC supporter for 15 years. When you get threatened disrespectfully by some unknown nobody over some trivial stuff just to show off, I am not Jon Snow nor are you the Mad Queen. SO a big Fuck OFF!

SCREW YOU

I am done with RAWK. I will request account deletion. Thank you

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Remember last season when Jon and Dany got it on - and everybody theorized that she was going to get pregnant by him and I seem to recall Tyrion watching on from the shadows as Jon closed the door behind him.

That went nowhere.. it seems.

Dany revealing she's pregnant by Jon would make things very interesting in terms of Jon probably having to kill her now after her actions in the last ep, but he'd be so conflicted about it if she were carrying his child..

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Remember last season when Jon and Dany got it on - and everybody theorized that she was going to get pregnant by him and I seem to recall Tyrion watching on from the shadows as Jon closed the door behind him.

That went nowhere.. it seems.

Dany revealing she's pregnant by Jon would make things very interesting in terms of Jon probably having to kill her now after her actions in the last ep, but he'd be so conflicted about it if she were carrying his child..

I got the impression that was mainly fans of the show that were insinuating that happening, though sometimes the makers can deny something like this but they haven't acknowledged it either way. I think if that was going to happen, we'd have seen it by now. Pregnant or not, Jon would not find it easy anyway.

I don't get the hatred for the episode and Daenerys' "descent to madness"

Has she descended to madness, or is she simply doing what she has always done?


She always said, bend the knee or be my enemy, sure they surrendered but she KNOWS that Westeros people aren't going to simply accept her, people seem to think she was doing all the other stuff out of kindness but it was all with the goal to retake the Iron Throne, she has always said she will get it at all costs, it's her purpose!


She doesn't know that though. She's been told throughout her life that Westeros has been waiting for her to arrive, especially when Joffrey was King. That has been part of her journey this season, the realization that the reality of that was somewhat different to what she'd been told.
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I personally look forward to v2krules's redemption arc where he ends ups stretching his writing prowess in the Matchday Commentary threads.
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His blog got 50000 views in a day, not sure why he was so hell-bent on pushing it here.
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I got the impression that was mainly fans of the show that were insinuating that happening, though sometimes the makers can deny something like this but they haven't acknowledged it either way. I think if that was going to happen, we'd have seen it by now. Pregnant or not, Jon would not find it easy anyway.

She doesn't know that though. She's been told throughout her life that Westeros has been waiting for her to arrive, especially when Joffrey was King. That has been part of her journey this season, the realization that the reality of that was somewhat different to what she'd been told.


They hinted that she could get pregnant though,Jon asked her if she hasn't ever thought that the witch could've been lying.

Expect her to die on the birthing bed and the show to jump ahead 15 minutes into the final episode  ;D
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His blog got 50000 views in a day, not sure why he was so hell-bent on pushing it here.

He only ever posted it on here, and has just started spamming it on Reddit to no avail.

Feel a bit bad for the guy, I've tried to start projects when I was younger that failed due to ignorance or lack of experience ;D harsh life lessons. Hope he's not banned here permanently.
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"Daenerys’s tactics have always been more deeply rooted in dominance than in empathy (she spent an entire season insisting a peer united in the struggle with her “bend the knee”), and she has for seasons framed her politics as a generational struggle, rather than an evolutionary process that necessarily includes the freely-given consent of the governed. And, most notably of all, her case for herself as queen, and the actions she’s taken to get there, pivot around the idea of revenge."

I really don't get why she's seen as a good person.

I really don't get why people keep saying that she's seen as a good person? I mean sure, a lot of people like her character. I'm kinda ambivalent in that regard. I just don't think she's shown any genuine signs of genocidal behaviour throughout the entire show. A bit rash, impetuous or ruthless at times, sure, but I'm not buying that a character who has prided herself on being the 'breaker of chains' would murder thousands of innocent civilians for minimal gains.

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Bran's storyline is done. The most pointless storyline of all time.
I think his whole point was just to tell Jon Snow of his lineage. Like, if that's literally it, then I will laugh my bollocks off.

Ned Stark at the end of episode fucking 1 was going to tell Jon that before he went to the wall. GRRM introduces this clever, complicated and and potentially very damaging plot thread if it wasn't handled with care and intelligence into the story, it being Bran's ability to not only look into the past, but affect it as we saw with Hodor. The possibility that past and present can be linked in such a way, that you can change one thing in either timeline and it changes the other and not solely depends on just changing something in the past, like every other time travel story. D&D must have looked at that, and their tiny wee heads spontaneously combusted, so they sidelined that and completely fucked it off from the rest of the show., unless we get a very grand reveal in the last episode that they've been saving up for. Yeah, doubt it. It's like what GRRM said himself, if you change an element to the story, you're constantly retconning and it becomes a mess. This is effectively what these two dickheads have done, and they've destroyed it.

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Has to be the most hypocritical comment ever. You have a forum full of people discussing nothing but GOT. Its End of Season. I have clearly stated I would like to promote my blog if possible and added links explaining the GOT content. And we have a moderator telling stop spamming your blog. Why not? Its doesn't have some virus or porn or anything illegal. Its a legitimate blog and as a fellow red came here asking support and encouragement and looking for a healthy GOT discussion.

And then the threat of a Ban from RAWK. What a Joke..


I don't care. There are some values that I believe in both as a human and as a LFC supporter for 15 years. When you get threatened disrespectfully by some unknown nobody over some trivial stuff just to show off, I am not Jon Snow nor are you the Mad Queen. SO a big Fuck OFF!

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"Daenerys’s tactics have always been more deeply rooted in dominance than in empathy (she spent an entire season insisting a peer united in the struggle with her “bend the knee”), and she has for seasons framed her politics as a generational struggle, rather than an evolutionary process that necessarily includes the freely-given consent of the governed. And, most notably of all, her case for herself as queen, and the actions she’s taken to get there, pivot around the idea of revenge."

I really don't get why she's seen as a good person.
She's never, ever, burned babies and women. Was never even hinted at in her character. That's the end of that.

Well, she burned a witch. Who betrayed her.
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She's never, ever, burned babies and women. Was never even hinted at in her character. That's the end of that.

Well, she burned a witch. Who betrayed her.

She’s never sacked a city before ... she’s wanted to for a long time
Of course it’s been hinted at. You’ve never seen a case of violence escalating in violent people or leaders?!

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She’s never sacked a city before ... she’s wanted to for a long time
Of course it’s been hinted at. You’ve never seen a case of violence escalating in violent people or leaders?!


It's all the Imps fault,he found the wild fire (added to the destruction) & he also talked her out of just destroying the Red Keep.
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It's all the Imps fault,he found the wild fire (added to the destruction) & he also talked her out of just destroying the Red Keep.

The wildfire was stashed all over the city, he found most of it and used it. If he hadn't the destruction would have been way, way worse.

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The wildfire was stashed all over the city, he found most of it and used it. If he hadn't the destruction would have been way, way worse.

Oh and I forgot,he is also the reason why Cersei was able to blow up a whole district.


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Oh and I forgot,he is also the reason why Cersei was able to blow up a whole district.


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That's true, he basically killed Margaery which is unforgivable.

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Like you said the ratings don't mean anything,people are going to be watching it as they've watched all of the others,it broke another record though.


Not sure how as the Bells was the best of the series,certainly better than the previous one.
I put the low rating down to Dany fans mad that she turned out to be a total bastard.
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I put the low rating down to Dany fans mad that she turned out to be a total bastard.


Has to be as there's no way that was the worst episode of the series,it wasn't even close to being the worst episode of the season.
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I put the low rating down to Dany fans mad that she turned out to be a total bastard.

Given that Martin told the writers the ending (apparently after series 3 after which they then included the dragon over Kings landing) seems pretty clear her story will be ending this way in the books so there’s going to be a lot of unhappiness - which is a shame because it’s a great plot/comment on what power is

Final POV on this ... a huge % of the problems with this series are solved with it being 2 x 10 episodes (the first one ending in winterfell battle) rather than 1 x 6
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Given that Martin told the writers the ending (apparently after series 3 after which they then included the dragon over Kings landing) seems pretty clear her story will be ending this way in the books so there’s going to be a lot of unhappiness - which is a shame because it’s a great plot/comment on what power is

Final POV on this ... a huge % of the problems with this series are solved with it being 2 x 10 episodes (the first one ending in winterfell battle) rather than 1 x 6

If series 7 and 8 were 10 episodes each at standard episode length [maybe a couple were feature length], I think almost all of this goes away.
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If series 7 and 8 were 10 episodes each at standard episode length [maybe a couple were feature length], I think almost all of this goes away.

Yup that’s what I meant - it’s pretty criminal they’re not

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She’s never sacked a city before ... she’s wanted to for a long time
Of course it’s been hinted at. You’ve never seen a case of violence escalating in violent people or leaders?!


She sacked two of them.

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She didn’t?! Her basic motivation is the acquisition of power as an absolute ruler - that’s base tyranny
She enjoyed the brutal death of her brother, has routinely burned enemies alive, mass killed opposing groups whether they included innocent members or not and executed prisoners, she only ever delayed the sacking of the city because she was pursuaded from her own desires.
She’s done some good things but that’s kind of the point - she has absolute power; people are asked to live to her will and whim

By making her super fit, giving her a ton of characters we like around her who fawn over her and spending a lot of time with her the show has done a great job of making us sympathetic to a tyrant; it’s a great morality tale for the biasies in us all

They fawn over her for a reason, she is good with people, that's the show I watched. She knows how to talk to them to understand them and understand their issues. People who are like that are generally empathetic. Empathetic people don't just commit genocide like that all of a sudden and not for the power hungry reasons she does. She can enjoy hurting her enemies, but she doesn't appear to enjoy having that power all that much, not compared to like Tywin or Baelish. She doesn't always bend people to her will, she trusts they will come to her side. To give up on that the moment things get rough for her in Westeros seems cheap. She's power hungry but not every power hungry person ends up a genocidal tyrant. If that's the ultimate point of the show, then it's pretty disappointing.
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the 1/10 crybabies will be out in force in a few days too, I fully expect the last episode to have awful ratings regardless of how good or bad it is.

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He only ever posted it on here, and has just started spamming it on Reddit to no avail.

Feel a bit bad for the guy, I've tried to start projects when I was younger that failed due to ignorance or lack of experience ;D harsh life lessons. Hope he's not banned here permanently.

He requested his account get deleted and told us to fuck off :lmao

If he wants to come back he can ask nicely...

FWIW he missed the point entirely. I have no issue with people posting the odd link to blogs, websites etc that they’ve put work into. Often they contain really interesting stuff that might not sit naturally here on RAWK and they’re rightly proud of it. I’m my only issue was spamming the link 5 times in two hours which just seemed desperate and isn’t something we encourage for obvious reasons. He also got extremely defensive when other posters suggested it wasn’t very good which is an opinion they’re obviously entitled to.

As you say, you live and learn!

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Well now I'm definitely not checking it out.

Did you? Any dragon porn by any chance, asking for a friend (effes)...

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I think his whole point was just to tell Jon Snow of his lineage. Like, if that's literally it, then I will laugh my bollocks off.

Ned Stark at the end of episode fucking 1 was going to tell Jon that before he went to the wall. GRRM introduces this clever, complicated and and potentially very damaging plot thread if it wasn't handled with care and intelligence into the story, it being Bran's ability to not only look into the past, but affect it as we saw with Hodor. The possibility that past and present can be linked in such a way, that you can change one thing in either timeline and it changes the other and not solely depends on just changing something in the past, like every other time travel story. D&D must have looked at that, and their tiny wee heads spontaneously combusted, so they sidelined that and completely fucked it off from the rest of the show., unless we get a very grand reveal in the last episode that they've been saving up for. Yeah, doubt it. It's like what GRRM said himself, if you change an element to the story, you're constantly retconning and it becomes a mess. This is effectively what these two dickheads have done, and they've destroyed it.

Really he didn't work the Jon Snows real lineage out he only checked it out after Sam told him they read about it in a book.

Surely Bran has more to do or what was the point of dragging his ass up and down the 7 Kingdoms for 7 seasons.
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