Author Topic: Changes to the fireworks law - yes or no? (Read 3936 times)

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #40 on:** October 28, 2019, 09:26:16 pm »

I'm against a ban.

The laws are strict enough now. As people have said, it's nothing these days to what it was like 20/30/40 years ago.

Let kids have some fun instead of sanitising everything.

rob1966 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 28, 2019, 09:35:55 pm »

Quote from: Nobby Reserve on October 28, 2019, 09:26:16 pm

I'm against a ban.

The laws are strict enough now. As people have said, it's nothing these days to what it was like 20/30/40 years ago.

Let kids have some fun instead of sanitising everything.

I used to be against a ban, but with how more and more anti social, irresponsible and down right fucking nasty people are these days, I'm for a public purchase ban. Pictures on my facebook tonight of a young girl in Kirkby, whose legs are badly cut from having fireworks thrown at her, just reinforces my feelings. The vast majority of the public are too stupid to be allowed to buy, handle and set off explosives, which basically is what fireworks are.

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #42 on:** October 28, 2019, 09:53:52 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on October 28, 2019, 09:35:55 pm

I used to be against a ban, but with how more and more anti social, irresponsible and down right fucking nasty people are these days, I'm for a public purchase ban. Pictures on my facebook tonight of a young girl in Kirkby, whose legs are badly cut from having fireworks thrown at her, just reinforces my feelings. The vast majority of the public are too stupid to be allowed to buy, handle and set off explosives, which basically is what fireworks are.

Stuff like that's been going on for as long as I remember. When I was about 14/15, me and my mates had a full-on firework fight with another group of lads one bommy night. It was pre-arranged and we all made hand-held rocket-launchers. The cuff and sleeve on the coat I was wearing (bommy coat

) was melted. Fucking lunatics. We'd fuck about a lot more than that as well. Holding airbombs in your hand as they flamed away then fired that little compacted ball of gunpowder. Racing rockets by lying them on the street and seeing which one went furthest.

That shit was commonplace but now is a rarity. It's nowhere near as bad as it was, and I don't want all the dickheadery obliterated from life.

Millie · « **Reply #43 on:** October 28, 2019, 09:59:59 pm »

Quote from: Nobby Reserve on October 28, 2019, 09:53:52 pm

Stuff like that's been going on for as long as I remember. When I was about 14/15, me and my mates had a full-on firework fight with another group of lads one bommy night. It was pre-arranged and we all made hand-held rocket-launchers. The cuff and sleeve on the coat I was wearing (bommy coat ) was melted. Fucking lunatics. We'd fuck about a lot more than that as well. Holding airbombs in your hand as they flamed away then fired that little compacted ball of gunpowder. Racing rockets by lying them on the street and seeing which one went furthest.

That shit was commonplace but now is a rarity. It's nowhere near as bad as it was, and I don't want all the dickheadery obliterated from life.

This is exactly why they should be banned from being sold to the public.

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #44 on:** October 28, 2019, 10:03:08 pm »

Quote from: In Fowler We Trust on October 28, 2019, 09:59:59 pm

This is exactly why they should be banned from being sold to the public.

I was talking in the 1980s.

That sort of shit rarely happens these days.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #45 on:** October 28, 2019, 10:23:56 pm »

Come to Sydney on NYE and other fireworks look like a sparkler on a birthday cake. Leave it to the pros and enjoy the spectacle.

Sheer Magnetism · « **Reply #46 on:** October 28, 2019, 11:12:08 pm »

Yeah, I'm with Nobby on this - 100% no ban. Perhaps part of it bias, given that when I was a kid a bunch of families would get together, pool their money and put on a mini-firework display in someone's back garden. The kids got to play with sparklers and squibs and everyone had basic firework safety drummed into them. There was something magical about that, and I don't want it to become one more thing that gets taken away and reserved for use by the authorities.

But in a wider sense, I loathe the tendency to ban everything enjoyable that's slightly dangerous, or that other people may find annoying. Every time something fun is banned or shut down it makes life in general a bit greyer, more boring and less free. I get that some people hate it, but I hate hearing dogs bark, drunks in the street or the next door neighbours having a party. That doesn't mean pets, outdoor drinking or loud parties should be banned (though there are people who would like to ban one or all of them).

Son of Spion · « **Reply #47 on:** October 28, 2019, 11:48:07 pm »

I definitely think they should be banned from sale to the general public.

Explosives + morons = casualties, anti-social behaviour and criminal damage.

In town three weeks ago there were morons firing rockets at pedestrians and vehicles from St. John's Gardens. Fireworks going off everywhere for weeks now, often in the early hours of the morning.

Some people are weird. On more than a few occasions we see cars turning up to Sefton Park at stupid hours of the night. They then proceed to set off an number of stupidly loud explosives before getting in their car and driving off again. We are talking supposed adults here.

It's sad that the morons spoil it for the decent majority, but I think the public need saving from these idiots, as do pets and wildlife. Public sale needs to be ended I'm afraid.

rob1966 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 29, 2019, 06:58:13 am »

Quote from: Sheer Magnetism on October 28, 2019, 11:12:08 pm

Yeah, I'm with Nobby on this - 100% no ban. Perhaps part of it bias, given that when I was a kid a bunch of families would get together, pool their money and put on a mini-firework display in someone's back garden. The kids got to play with sparklers and squibs and everyone had basic firework safety drummed into them. There was something magical about that, and I don't want it to become one more thing that gets taken away and reserved for use by the authorities.

But in a wider sense, I loathe the tendency to ban everything enjoyable that's slightly dangerous, or that other people may find annoying. Every time something fun is banned or shut down it makes life in general a bit greyer, more boring and less free. I get that some people hate it, but I hate hearing dogs bark, drunks in the street or the next door neighbours having a party. That doesn't mean pets, outdoor drinking or loud parties should be banned (though there are people who would like to ban one or all of them).

I loved it as a kid when my dad set off fireworks in the garden and I have done displays in the garden for my kids, however these have been with the types of fireworks we had as kids, small ones. Now they sell 100 shot boxes, that state display only and keep back a minimum distance 25m to any idiot who walks into Tesco or Asda. It is ridiculous that you cannot walk into a gun shop and buy black powder without a certificate but you can walk into a shop and buy a ready made bomb.

Quote from: Nobby Reserve on October 28, 2019, 09:53:52 pm

Stuff like that's been going on for as long as I remember. When I was about 14/15, me and my mates had a full-on firework fight with another group of lads one bommy night. It was pre-arranged and we all made hand-held rocket-launchers. The cuff and sleeve on the coat I was wearing (bommy coat ) was melted. Fucking lunatics. We'd fuck about a lot more than that as well. Holding airbombs in your hand as they flamed away then fired that little compacted ball of gunpowder. Racing rockets by lying them on the street and seeing which one went furthest.

That shit was commonplace but now is a rarity. It's nowhere near as bad as it was, and I don't want all the dickheadery obliterated from life.

I did all that stupid shit as a kid too, taking the stick off a rocket and seeing where it went/try not to get hit, blowing things up with bangers. What stopped me was when a rocket fell over, went up the street, and exploded on a car windscreen, just missing hitting the woman getting out at the exact same time. The realisation to how close we came to badly hurting someone really hit home.

As SoS said, there are c*nts firing them at people thinking it is fun, it could kill someone. There was a house burnt down last week in I think Halewood, cos someone thought it was funny to post a lit firework through the letterbox.

Google firework injuries and have a look at the pictures of the damage that can be done to a human body by these things.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #49 on:** October 30, 2019, 08:18:27 am »

Totally against a ban, but would be in favour of needing a licence to buy them.

Is there anyone that doesn't own a dog that's in favour of a ban?

Elmo! · « **Reply #50 on:** October 30, 2019, 08:35:45 am »

Quote from: Barneylfc on October 30, 2019, 08:18:27 am

Totally against a ban, but would be in favour of needing a licence to buy them.

Is there anyone that doesn't own a dog that's in favour of a ban?

I don't own a dog and I'd be completely fine with a ban (on selling to the public).

I could live with a total ban as well, fireworks are overrated.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #51 on:** October 30, 2019, 09:43:46 am »

Quote from: Barneylfc on October 30, 2019, 08:18:27 am

Totally against a ban, but would be in favour of needing a licence to buy them.

Agree. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this the case in Ireland? Pretty sure Joe Public can't just only very basic fireworks/sparklers there. This is also the case across a lot of Europe and it probably the most sensible approach. I am sure almost all home firework displays pass with no issues but you will always get irresponsible people putting themselves and others at risk with fireworks and as such they should be left to the professionals. Personally I don't really like them. Not only because they're a waste of money but also when you have been to a massive organised display such as NYE in London or the ones they have at Alton Towers a Catherine Wheel nailed to a fence panel doesn't real have the same impact!

Elzar · « **Reply #52 on:** October 30, 2019, 12:29:43 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on October 30, 2019, 09:43:46 am

Agree. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this the case in Ireland? Pretty sure Joe Public can't just only very basic fireworks/sparklers there. This is also the case across a lot of Europe and it probably the most sensible approach. I am sure almost all home firework displays pass with no issues but you will always get irresponsible people putting themselves and others at risk with fireworks and as such they should be left to the professionals. Personally I don't really like them. Not only because they're a waste of money but also when you have been to a massive organised display such as NYE in London or the ones they have at Alton Towers a Catherine Wheel nailed to a fence panel doesn't real have the same impact!

This is similar to me. I used to love my parents annual fireworks night with all friends round. Now I am moved out and don't go, a display somewhere followed by the pub is good enough for me. I was in Madeira a few years ago and happened to be during their Firework Display competition, so now a couple in the back garden look pretty pathetic.

Been hearing them go off down by ours for the past 3 weeks, just random rockets every half an hour. The reason I want them banning to the general public is due to kids throwing them onto our 5 a side pitch a few years back.

Statto Red · « **Reply #53 on:** October 30, 2019, 01:10:20 pm »

Quote from: Just Elmo? on October 30, 2019, 08:35:45 am

I don't own a dog and I'd be completely fine with a ban (on selling to the public).

I could live with a total ban as well, fireworks are overrated.

I don't own a pet but, for a ban on sales to the public, far too many yobs over 18 are buying them setting them off in the street at all hours of the day, only the other day reading about a lad cycling through a park then had a firework thrown at him.

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #54 on:** October 30, 2019, 01:17:13 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on October 30, 2019, 09:43:46 am

Agree. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this the case in Ireland? Pretty sure Joe Public can't just only very basic fireworks/sparklers there. This is also the case across a lot of Europe and it probably the most sensible approach. I am sure almost all home firework displays pass with no issues but you will always get irresponsible people putting themselves and others at risk with fireworks and as such they should be left to the professionals. Personally I don't really like them. Not only because they're a waste of money but also when you have been to a massive organised display such as NYE in London or the ones they have at Alton Towers a Catherine Wheel nailed to a fence panel doesn't real have the same impact!

Honestly no idea. Last time I bought sparklers was about 5 years ago and they were from a local shop just for my kid and a couple of his mates out in the back garden.
I can take or leave a fireworks display, sometimes they look great, sometimes they bore the shit out of me. But a lot of people do get enjoyment out of them and I'd say a large majority are responsible users.
We can't just ban everything because a few dickheads don't use them in a way that is intended.

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #55 on:** October 30, 2019, 02:07:08 pm »

Quote from: Barneylfc on October 30, 2019, 08:18:27 am

Is there anyone that doesn't own a dog that's in favour of a ban?

I've got a dog and am against a ban

God's Left Peg · « **Reply #56 on:** November 4, 2019, 08:45:34 pm »

Quote from: Just Elmo? on October 30, 2019, 08:35:45 am

I don't own a dog and I'd be completely fine with a ban (on selling to the public).

I could live with a total ban as well, fireworks are overrated.

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PaulF · « **Reply #57 on:** November 5, 2019, 08:23:03 am »

It's the irresponsible minority, screwing it up for the majority. And then leading for calls for a ban. Bit like gambling ( though I'm aware it's not so much irresponsible for problem gamblers as an addiction issue).
Given some of the stupid stuff I did when younger with fireworks, I think an age limit of 25 should be considered....

reddebs · « **Reply #58 on:** November 5, 2019, 08:34:10 am »

It's not the fireworks themselves that most have an issue with it's how loud they are now.

Near us this week theres videos of horses traumatised and injuring themselves in their stables.

A 16wk old puppy dying from a heart attack.

Autistic children needing hospital treatment as they can't deal with loud noise.

My own dogs have been sedated every night since Friday and will be until Sunday.

Last night there was a display going on which sounded like it was from across the road but when Paul went to see it was from about half a mile away.

Seriously, leave all the pretty colours and patterns but make them silent, which I believe is now possible.

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stevo7 · « **Reply #59 on:** November 5, 2019, 11:18:15 am »

Reckon any will go off in Anfield tonight?