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Lorry deaths.
« on: October 23, 2019, 06:59:45 pm »
39 found dead in a lorry this morning.
Must have been horrific both inside and for those who found them.
How desperate must people be to seek better lives and how abhorrent those are that facilitate these "methods of escape".
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Re: Lorry deaths.
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 07:00:39 pm »
39 found dead in a lorry this morning.
Must have been horrific both inside and for those who found them.
How desperate must people be to seek better lives and how abhorrent those are that facilitate these "methods of escape".
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 07:15:29 pm »
Rest in peace to everyone. One of the worst ways to die to be suffocated in a crowded space. As someone who's very claustrophobic I can't even imagine what that must be like.

Hopefully the perpetrators of this human trafficking-league will be found and justice be served.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 07:30:43 pm »
Horrific. RIP

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 07:31:29 pm »
Such a sad story. RIP.  :(
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 07:35:07 pm »
Terrible. Can't begin to imagine what they went through. Hopefully they catch the c*nts running the operation.

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 07:52:17 pm »
If we were willing to help our fellow man in their hour of need this wouldn't have happened. These deaths are on the government's hands in my opinion.

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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 10:08:10 pm »
Details emerging that they froze to death.
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Re: Lorry deaths.
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2019, 08:15:11 am »
Rest in peace to everyone. One of the worst ways to die to be suffocated in a crowded space. As someone who's very claustrophobic I can't even imagine what that must be like.

Hopefully the perpetrators of this human trafficking-league will be found and justice be served.

They froze to death.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 09:34:17 am »
The only way to survive -25 for an extended period of time is to have a lot of layers (at least five) and standing still is a huge detriment. My personal experience living in a place that regularly gets temperatures below -15 and that averages -5 lows the standard winter night, is that even then the breathing becomes more painful with the right clothing on, basically like having a knife cutting through the throat while engaging in any sort of movement and dizziness is a problem when going below it. I've not much experience of below -20, but safe to say, it's not pleasant. That's under very controlled circumstances still. Also, standing still in minus degrees with even one layer too little takes a lot of time indoors to recover from. When having the wrong clothing and being crammed in a tight space with no chance to move that's a horrific way to die with no way out :( To place people in the freezer, knowing full well they're going to freeze to death is amongst the most evil mass murders I can think of.
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Re: Lorry deaths.
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2019, 09:36:41 am »
Shocking hearing that yesterday.

Human trafficking is pure evil.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2019, 01:16:33 pm »
They were Chinese nationals. What a horrible tragedy.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2019, 01:18:10 pm »
Was it s refigerated trailer they were in? What's the logic of that?

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2019, 01:24:56 pm »
Was it s refigerated trailer they were in? What's the logic of that?

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It was, no idea what the logic was. Outlets claiming they froze to death is a little premature. You would assume that the smugglers are not stupid and that refrigerator trailers can be used without being chilled. unless something when really wrong I would assume its a case of suffocation and not freezing. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2019, 01:50:55 pm »
Yesterday the media and others speculated that these people could have been from Afghanistan or Iraq, syria etc but interested to hear they were chinese, sounds very much like human trafficking in that case.


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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2019, 02:03:17 pm »
Was it s refigerated trailer they were in? What's the logic of that?

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The thermal cameras at the ports can't detect the bodies through the thick metal walls of the refrigerated containers.

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2019, 02:23:20 pm »
The only way to survive -25 for an extended period of time is to have a lot of layers (at least five) and standing still is a huge detriment. My personal experience living in a place that regularly gets temperatures below -15 and that averages -5 lows the standard winter night, is that even then the breathing becomes more painful with the right clothing on, basically like having a knife cutting through the throat while engaging in any sort of movement and dizziness is a problem when going below it. I've not much experience of below -20, but safe to say, it's not pleasant.

Yep. Once you get below -20, you need to keep moving constantly and need a long, heavy coat to keep warm. But even with a heavy coat,  anything below -20, it can be hard to breathe and you are very suspectible to hypothermia and frostbite in minutes on any parts of your body that are left uncovered. I've had metal objects like coins freeze together in my pockets and my cell phone battery fail after being outside in temperatures below -30 for less than 30 minutes with layers on. I can't imagine how painful this would be for these people if they froze to death or suffocated

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2019, 04:03:18 pm »
Grim scenes in the EP as the centre-right joins forces with the hard-right to defeat a resolution calling for support for search and rescue in the Med and solidarity with those fleeing war and persecution. Hard-right benches erupt in cheers. We lost by two votes.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2019, 06:05:14 pm »
The trafficking of Chinese- is that simply sex traffic for the UK or are there other purposes?

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2019, 06:22:27 pm »
With all the security at borders nowadays, how the absolute fuck can a container full of people cross the border without it being inspected? They stop regular passenger cars and check them all over, so how in the world was the truck not opened and checked? Absolute shambles from the UK that.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2019, 06:56:41 pm »
With all the security at borders nowadays, how the absolute fuck can a container full of people cross the border without it being inspected? They stop regular passenger cars and check them all over, so how in the world was the truck not opened and checked? Absolute shambles from the UK that.

Do you realise how many lorries go back and forth across the channel? Have you read how much chaos there is going to be if Brexit causes customs checks? They are literally turning motorways into lorry car parks to deal with the tailbacks. It's not feasible to check every lorry.

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2019, 07:31:14 pm »
Do you realise how many lorries go back and forth across the channel? Have you read how much chaos there is going to be if Brexit causes customs checks? They are literally turning motorways into lorry car parks to deal with the tailbacks. It's not feasible to check every lorry.

Is that really a valid excuse though? Criminals worldwide must be jumping for joy now that they know that they can easily smuggle people, weapons, drugs, and who know what else across the border. It has to be dealt with even if a million lorries enter per day, no excuses full stop.

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2019, 07:44:33 pm »
Is that really a valid excuse though? Criminals worldwide must be jumping for joy now that they know that they can easily smuggle people, weapons, drugs, and who know what else across the border. It has to be dealt with even if a million lorries enter per day, no excuses full stop.

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2019, 09:04:45 am »
With all the security at borders nowadays, how the absolute fuck can a container full of people cross the border without it being inspected? They stop regular passenger cars and check them all over, so how in the world was the truck not opened and checked? Absolute shambles from the UK that.

Only just catching up on this as been away. We need to see exactly what has happened before we judge anyone guilty.

Trailers are sealed at point of loading and as long as the seals match the paperwork and there is no obvious tampering with the seal, then there is no reason to open the trailer. Curtain siders can be cut into with a knife or access gained through the thin roof, but a fridge trailer is solid due to the construction methods and if it all looks clean, then there is no need to go in the back. The trailer will not have gone through as empty, as this would trigger on the weighbridge.

They are designed to stop the load spoiling by denying heat from outside from getting in, the doors have really thick seals, so they are basically airtight, and depending on the load being carried, the fridge can be turned off on the ferry, so they could have done this without attracting attention.

As for the driver, on the surface it appears suspicious that he stopped and opened the back, but that is plausible. You know from your paperwork what you have on, it will all have been secured to stop it moving during transport, especially on the ferry. If he has put his foot down accelerating, the bodies will have shifted and that would make a loud bang as they hit the back doors or the sides. Get that happen a couple of times and you know something is wrong with your load, you would stop and with permission, you would break the seals and open the back.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2019, 09:15:26 am »
Only just catching up on this as been away. We need to see exactly what has happened before we judge anyone guilty.

Trailers are sealed at point of loading and as long as the seals match the paperwork and there is no obvious tampering with the seal, then there is no reason to open the trailer. Curtain siders can be cut into with a knife or access gained through the thin roof, but a fridge trailer is solid due to the construction methods and if it all looks clean, then there is no need to go in the back. The trailer will not have gone through as empty, as this would trigger on the weighbridge.

They are designed to stop the load spoiling by denying heat from outside from getting in, the doors have really thick seals, so they are basically airtight, and depending on the load being carried, the fridge can be turned off on the ferry, so they could have done this without attracting attention.

As for the driver, on the surface it appears suspicious that he stopped and opened the back, but that is plausible. You know from your paperwork what you have on, it will all have been secured to stop it moving during transport, especially on the ferry. If he has put his foot down accelerating, the bodies will have shifted and that would make a loud bang as they hit the back doors or the sides. Get that happen a couple of times and you know something is wrong with your load, you would stop and with permission, you would break the seals and open the back.

Haven't been following this in detail, so might have missed it, but was it the driver who called the police?

Also, do we know where the trailer was sealed and by whom?

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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2019, 09:30:18 am »
Haven't been following this in detail, so might have missed it, but was it the driver who called the police?

Also, do we know where the trailer was sealed and by whom?
As I understand it the driver called paramedics and it was them that made the call to the police.

I only deal with standard trailers and containers but I imagine the procedure is pretty similar, with containers the seal is applied at the loading place once loading is completed. Each seal has an individual number and this plus the container number is recorded on the loading documentation.

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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2019, 09:45:27 am »
Haven't been following this in detail, so might have missed it, but was it the driver who called the police?

Also, do we know where the trailer was sealed and by whom?

I'm not sure who called them. Even if it was the driver, they have to arrest him on suspicion just in case.

The trailer should either be sealed by the loaders or security at the premises where the load originated. As a driver, if you are picking up a load that another driver has carried, if it isn't sealed you will open the back to check the load/get the paperwork. If it is a sealed trailer, then you leave well alone, then if anything is wrong with the load/missing, it isn't you who gets the blame.

Is that really a valid excuse though? Criminals worldwide must be jumping for joy now that they know that they can easily smuggle people, weapons, drugs, and who know what else across the border. It has to be dealt with even if a million lorries enter per day, no excuses full stop.

Mate, that is nothing new, it has been the case for years. How do you think the traffickers get people in and out of countries, how they get the stolen cars/bikes etc in and out? Seal a box (container) and send it off across the world. If it is people, if they die so what? they've got their money, the people are still desperate to get away from their lives, so the money never dries up.

Brexit has highlighted the issue with closing our borders, which is why a 65 mile section of the M20 is being turned into a lorry park. Unless the trucks are flowing, then it stops dead very quickly. Ferries aren't like cars, they have to sail with the tides, so you have to get them loaded. The HUGE cuts by the Tory c*nts have only made it worse as there just isn't the staff to open every trailer and check them. That also opens up its own can of worms with trailer carrying medicines and other goods that no-one but the sender and the receiver should be touching.

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2019, 10:45:20 am »
If you were to spend whatever huge amount if money it would cost to open and inspect every trailer (not just the direct costs but the costs to the economy from delays etc), and successfully stopped all trafficking into the UK, would it even actually stop the problem or just move the problem elsewhere so we don't have to deal with it? Better to target that money on attacking the root cause, and on intelligence to stop the trafficking at source.

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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2019, 11:22:11 am »
I remember reading a story maybe 15 years ago about a police operation that found Chinese women locked up in Belfast and used as sex workers.  They didn't even know what country or city they were in - some thought they were in London, others Berlin. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2019, 11:33:03 am »
If you were to spend whatever huge amount if money it would cost to open and inspect every trailer (not just the direct costs but the costs to the economy from delays etc), and successfully stopped all trafficking into the UK, would it even actually stop the problem or just move the problem elsewhere so we don't have to deal with it? Better to target that money on attacking the root cause, and on intelligence to stop the trafficking at source.

They would find a way,they get them into the USA on planes. The whole sick industry is worth $150 billion, one girl used as a sex slave can earn $100,000 a year, which is 66% more than someone trafficked for work. Considering how much of a PITA getting through US customs is, they will have very slick, professional methods to move the victims.
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2019, 11:52:15 am »
I remember reading a story maybe 15 years ago about a police operation that found Chinese women locked up in Belfast and used as sex workers.  They didn't even know what country or city they were in - some thought they were in London, others Berlin. 

This is based on real life events.  A very good, but disturbing watch.  She was trafficked in Belfast as well.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8359636/

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2019, 12:15:20 pm »
This is based on real life events.  A very good, but disturbing watch.  She was trafficked in Belfast as well.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8359636/

I’ll check it out. I know some of the cast.

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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2019, 01:17:56 pm »
Two 38 yr olds, a man and a woman from Warrington have been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter

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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2019, 02:19:19 pm »
Yep. Once you get below -20, you need to keep moving constantly and need a long, heavy coat to keep warm. But even with a heavy coat,  anything below -20, it can be hard to breathe and you are very suspectible to hypothermia and frostbite in minutes on any parts of your body that are left uncovered. I've had metal objects like coins freeze together in my pockets and my cell phone battery fail after being outside in temperatures below -30 for less than 30 minutes with layers on. I can't imagine how painful this would be for these people if they froze to death or suffocated

And i assume the victims came from places that are not used of cold.
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2019, 03:04:41 pm »
And i assume the victims came from places that are not used of cold.

Doesn't matter with a reefer trailer, the seals are airtight, so if you don't succumb to hypothermia,you will suffocate. Think of getting locked inside an industrial sized freezer, that is what it is like. The trailers can be split into compartments too, so you could have a section at the rear for ambient temperature goods, then a chilled section and then the frozen goods, so if you are in the ambient section, you have the airtight pull down doors to keep each section at a steady temp, so the more people, the faster the air goes - its the CO2 that kills you btw.

First time I did a fridge trailer was in a December and I was taking every opportunity to get out of the trailer to warm up and I had the proper coat and gloves on. my boots kept getting stuck to the floor.
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2019, 04:22:26 pm »
This awful story in The Guardian suggests some of the victims were Vietnamese and the text she sent her mother suggests they suffocated.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/25/vietnamese-family-fears-daughter-among-essex-lorry-victims

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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2019, 04:53:02 pm »
I remember reading a story maybe 15 years ago about a police operation that found Chinese women locked up in Belfast and used as sex workers.  They didn't even know what country or city they were in - some thought they were in London, others Berlin.

They must have been gutted when they realised they were in Belfast.

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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2019, 04:54:40 pm »
This awful story in The Guardian suggests some of the victims were Vietnamese and the text she sent her mother suggests they suffocated.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/25/vietnamese-family-fears-daughter-among-essex-lorry-victims


It's beyond heartbreaking. Family scrapes together £30k over years to give their daughter a chance of following her dream of making a life in 'the West' and some evil fucking c*nt takes the cash and puts her in a sealed container to suffocate to death.

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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2019, 05:10:55 pm »
This awful story in The Guardian suggests some of the victims were Vietnamese and the text she sent her mother suggests they suffocated.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/25/vietnamese-family-fears-daughter-among-essex-lorry-victims


Her brother posted that she got arrested by UK Police a couple of days ago and sent back to France. If that is true, that is appalling. Surely someone would twig that a young girl claiming to be Vietnamese or Chinese had been trafficked?
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Re: Lorry deaths.
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2019, 05:24:54 pm »
Driver charged with manslaughter, money laundering and people trafficking, in court Monday
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