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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36840 on: June 25, 2022, 11:20:26 am »
Currently they are the most toxic club in Europe. I'm not surprised that every player is trying to stay away from them.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36841 on: June 25, 2022, 11:46:48 am »
I thought theyd go on a huge recruitment drive and splash the cash this summer, a bit surprised that theyve done no business. I do understand players not wanting to join them, they can get paid good money anywhere so no need to settle for a banter club. I mean ballon dor winning contract clauses, the fuck is all that about.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36842 on: June 25, 2022, 11:51:55 am »
I thought theyd go on a huge recruitment drive and splash the cash this summer, a bit surprised that theyve done no business. I do understand players not wanting to join them, they can get paid good money anywhere so no need to settle for a banter club. I mean ballon dor winning contract clauses, the fuck is all that about.
All the players they've approached so far have rejected them because word on the street is that they are toxic.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36843 on: June 25, 2022, 12:01:35 pm »
Lol, most football hacks are such bullshitters. Emperor's New Clothes all the time

Michael Cox was pretty much alone in pointing out that Rangnick would probably be shit.

That Melissa Reddy tweet is fucking hilarious.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36844 on: June 25, 2022, 12:08:26 pm »
Michael Cox was pretty much alone in pointing out that Rangnick would probably be shit.

That Melissa Reddy tweet is fucking hilarious.

If I recall correctly, basically everyone was wetting themselves after Ragnick's first game in charge. It was comical and way over the top at the time, not just in hindsight.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36845 on: June 25, 2022, 02:28:47 pm »
It was such a strange appointment and he seemed to have just used the role to leverage into the Austrian job.

Wonderful isn't it. The Manchester United managerial post is now seen as a stepping stone to the big Austria role.  :)
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36846 on: June 25, 2022, 02:56:56 pm »
Michael Cox was pretty much alone in pointing out that Rangnick would probably be shit.

That Melissa Reddy tweet is fucking hilarious.

Even more hilarious considering it was Man United 0 v 0 Crystal Palace at the time and in a fairly even game in which Palace should have taken the lead before Fred scored a 1 in a million (for him) goal.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36847 on: June 25, 2022, 03:37:38 pm »
If I recall correctly, basically everyone was wetting themselves after Ragnick's first game in charge. It was comical and way over the top at the time, not just in hindsight.

You mean the "Godfather of Gegenpress" was too much?

And that he taught Klopp and Tuchel all they knew about management - also too much?

No way!

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36848 on: June 25, 2022, 06:09:58 pm »
Still Disneyland.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36849 on: June 25, 2022, 06:44:06 pm »
As a club they are the very definition of all fur coat and no knickers. They strut round like they are still the big cheese of world football but in reality they are a shell of a club that’s been hollowed out by a host owner who has bled them dry.
You're spot on with almost all of that, but I'd stop well short of pinning most of it on the current owner ''bleeding them dry.''

They've spent an absolutely obscene amount on players and managers. They've not exactly tightened the purse strings. They've handed over wads of cash every time the entitled fanbase has rioted or sent bomb threats to their own players. They brought the prodigal son back 'home' as requested too.

I think the facts are that the club simply reached the end of its success cycle and went into the natural decline that affects us all at some point in time. They had their time in the sun (Ferguson era) but their sheer arrogance and monstrous ego meant they were sneering towards the lessons of other clubs' declines. Basically, they thought they had made it, and that was that. They'd arrived and were now well established and wouldn't or couldn't be moved. This flies in the face of what human history tells us, and you snub the lessons of history at your peril. All empires fall, but they thought theirs was above all that. Well, it wasn't and it isn't.

They endured (without a scrap of grace) the Liverpool FC empire built on the foundations laid by Bill Shankly. They saw it rise to previously unimaginable peaks and sustain for a couple of decades. They also witnessed the inevitable, eventual decline too. There were many lessons to be learned from observing our rise to such heights, and just as many to learn from looking at how it eventually fell into relative decline. United thought they were above learning such lessons. Another problem for them was their success wasn't built on United values, it was built on Ferguson values. Ferguson was the rug beneath their feet, and once pulled from under them United had no firm foundations of their own to stand upon. Since then, they've acted like headless chickens from boardroom to fanbase, trying to recreate the past.

Basically, the entire mindset of the club and fanbase is wrong. This goes far, far deeper than the ownership. An ownership that has thrown billions at the problem. The lot of them have bought into their own ludicrous hype and indulged their egos for too long. They have no humility and, as a result, learn virtually nothing at all from their experience and the experiences of others they observe. It's not their ownership that's killing them. It's the Man United psyche itself that's doing the real damage.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36850 on: June 25, 2022, 07:33:19 pm »
As a club they are the very definition of all fur coat and no knickers. They strut round like they are still the big cheese of world football but in reality they are a shell of a club that’s been hollowed out by a host owner who has bled them dry.

The arrogance is just who they are. They might support the other lot in the city but they have the persona of the Gallagher brothers. Arrogance personified and an inflated sense of worth at all times, much like the city itself. They might not like the Glazers but they weren't arsed when they were still winning titles, they are arsed now because City and Liverpool are and they aren't. Whenever they make a shiny big signing they shut up for a while and show off with it.

Obviously they're one of the biggest clubs but take out the Ferguson and Busby years and they have a mediocre history outside of the achievements of those two men.

It's like this new desperation to 'rebuild Old Trafford'. Okay it's not as plush as new builds in North London but it's still been extensively rebuilt through the PL era and has a capacity of 76k which we'd bite your hand off for. But because it's not the shiniest ground around they can't handle it, especially when Liverpool are putting up new stands (rather than being able to look down on us, while we fucked the rebuild up in the 90s while they knocked it out the park).
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36851 on: June 25, 2022, 08:49:39 pm »
It's like this new desperation to 'rebuild Old Trafford'. Okay it's not as plush as new builds in North London but it's still been extensively rebuilt through the PL era and has a capacity of 76k which we'd bite your hand off for. But because it's not the shiniest ground around they can't handle it, especially when Liverpool are putting up new stands (rather than being able to look down on us, while we fucked the rebuild up in the 90s while they knocked it out the park).

Isn't it actually a bit leaky and slightly knackered these days, while the full rebuild plan is clearly idiotic, they need a refurb due to inadequate ongoing maintenance in recent years.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36852 on: June 25, 2022, 08:51:14 pm »
You mean the "Godfather of Gegenpress" was too much?

And that he taught Klopp and Tuchel all they knew about management - also too much?

No way!

Ha ha, true:

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Jurgen Klopp is a disciple but the Liverpool boss evidently did not get his pre-match tradition of observing the opposition warm-up from his fellow German.

This did amuse me as well:

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After the storm that engulfed them in Solskjaer's last days at the helm, the skies have now cleared, which at least allows Rangnick to plot a way forward.

There is evidently a long path ahead to get close to Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea, who are a class apart, but at least United can see where it is, which has not always been the case this season.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59542670.amp
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36853 on: June 25, 2022, 08:57:40 pm »
Isn't it actually a bit leaky and slightly knackered these days, while the full rebuild plan is clearly idiotic, they need a refurb due to inadequate ongoing maintenance in recent years.

It does need more general maintenance as it's been slack, they've started to do this, but it's this idea they need to basically build a new stadium, essentially for their own vanity. It sticks in the craw that Old Trafford has never really been seen as an iconic ground like Anfield is, particularly in Europe. They could still lord it over us though due to the capacities and how outdated Anfield was, but now we've caught up somewhat.

San Siro and Camp Nou are examples of grounds that were and are iconic but do need extensive rebuilds. San Siro has barely been touched since the 1990 World Cup though and Camp Nou probably the 1982 World Cup save for making it all seater. Old Trafford has been comprehensively rebuilt since then, save for perhaps one side of the ground that backs onto a railway line.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36854 on: June 25, 2022, 10:33:38 pm »
I am surprised they allowed City to sign Phillips for £45m when they needed a midfielder and has a habit of signing players so as to prevent their neighbours from signing them.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36855 on: June 25, 2022, 10:34:30 pm »
I am surprised they allowed City to sign Phillips for £45m when they needed a midfielder and has a habit of signing players so as to prevent their neighbours from signing them.
Phillips told them where to go.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36856 on: June 25, 2022, 10:51:05 pm »
Phillips told them where to go.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36857 on: June 25, 2022, 11:17:41 pm »
I am surprised they allowed City to sign Phillips for £45m when they needed a midfielder and has a habit of signing players so as to prevent their neighbours from signing them.

For Utd fans it's important he went to Manchester. That's all that matters. They're not neighbours anymore, they're brothers.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36858 on: June 25, 2022, 11:33:58 pm »
Is this going to be this seasons thread that keeps on giving ? How many seasons in a row will that be ? Because its been giving since the moysiah was there.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36859 on: June 26, 2022, 12:40:23 am »
If I recall correctly, basically everyone was wetting themselves after Ragnick's first game in charge. It was comical and way over the top at the time, not just in hindsight.
We underestimated what was going to happen apparently 😂

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36860 on: June 26, 2022, 01:26:25 am »
We underestimated what was going to happen apparently 😂

We all underestimated what was going to happen. Never in our wildest dreams did we think Ralf would be THIS good. :lmao

Redcafe discussing Glazers dividends. Expect the Norwich scarves to appear very, very soon. This time they can't afford to wait for our fixture, the fans will be in the ground destroying seats way before that. Being classy and all.  ::)
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36861 on: June 26, 2022, 01:48:08 am »
We all underestimated what was going to happen. Never in our wildest dreams did we think Ralf would be THIS good. :lmao

Redcafe discussing Glazers dividends. Expect the Norwich scarves to appear very, very soon. This time they can't afford to wait for our fixture, the fans will be in the ground destroying seats way before that. Being classy and all.  ::)
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36862 on: June 26, 2022, 08:27:17 am »
Chelsea’s Boehly meets with Ronaldo agent Mendes as Manchester United future discussed

https://theathletic.com/3383475/2022/06/25/ronaldo-chelsea-boehly-mendes/
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36863 on: June 26, 2022, 09:46:40 am »
However, although he (Ronaldo)finished third in the Premier League's Golden Boot standings with 18 goals, there were claims that his presence prevented United from adopting a high-pressing game, which contributed to their dismal form.

Because that's the reason
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36864 on: June 26, 2022, 11:13:04 am »
Chelsea’s Boehly meets with Ronaldo agent Mendes as Manchester United future discussed

https://theathletic.com/3383475/2022/06/25/ronaldo-chelsea-boehly-mendes/

If Ronaldo leaves them for Chelsea, it will help them in footballing terms, but it will be a massive hit for their brand ...

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36865 on: June 26, 2022, 11:16:50 am »
Ronaldo loves the club. He won't leave them (again).
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36866 on: June 26, 2022, 11:17:43 am »
Ronaldo loves the club. He won't leave them (again).

Yeah, he won’t make that mistake again.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36867 on: June 26, 2022, 11:21:04 am »
Ronaldo loves the club. He won't leave them (again).

I don't think he gives a fuck about them, and he will be losing a lot of money from his personal commercial deals by not playing for a CL club ...

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36868 on: June 26, 2022, 11:32:35 am »
I don't think he gives a fuck about them, and he will be losing a lot of money from his personal commercial deals by not playing for a CL club ...

Oh I agree, I just suddenly remembered all the euphoria about him coming 'home' last summer.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36869 on: June 26, 2022, 11:43:56 am »
It does need more general maintenance as it's been slack, they've started to do this, but it's this idea they need to basically build a new stadium, essentially for their own vanity. It sticks in the craw that Old Trafford has never really been seen as an iconic ground like Anfield is, particularly in Europe. They could still lord it over us though due to the capacities and how outdated Anfield was, but now we've caught up somewhat.

San Siro and Camp Nou are examples of grounds that were and are iconic but do need extensive rebuilds. San Siro has barely been touched since the 1990 World Cup though and Camp Nou probably the 1982 World Cup save for making it all seater. Old Trafford has been comprehensively rebuilt since then, save for perhaps one side of the ground that backs onto a railway line.
It's definitely down to vanity.

They've always believed that biggest is best. Thing is, it's not. I remember going to Camp Nou and being shocked at the state of it. Big? Yes. Fantastic stadium? No. Old Trafford is similar. I've never been impressed with it. Not that I'm particularly arsed about stadium aesthetics anyway, but it's just that I thought the hype over the place never reflected the reality of it.

Funnily enough, the Mancs seem to be falling into the same trap as our blueshite neighbours. Thinking a new stadium, or a heavily remodelled one, suddenly makes them relevant again. It smacks of straw-clutching to me.

There isn't much wrong at OT that adequate routine maintenance wouldn't fix, but being who they are they feel they need to make a statement. Thing is, despite being of smaller capacity, Anfield is far more iconic than OT ever was and ever will be. It's the most iconic club stadium in England with the most famous end in world football.

Everything about the Mancs is dick-swinging. Now they are barely relevant on the field of play, they start talking of grand new stadiums or lavish refurbs. As always with these, is about ego, preening and vanity.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36870 on: June 26, 2022, 11:49:54 am »
Ronaldo loves the club. He won't leave them (again).

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36871 on: June 26, 2022, 12:31:24 pm »
This is kind of arrogant shite these, living in the past, dickheads still believe.

Biggest team in the world bollocks and who the fuck still parks the bus against them?  They're so shite even championship clubs are prepared to have a go.

Fuck sake, talk about manc tinted glasses, these lot are fucking blind 😂😂😂😂

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36872 on: June 26, 2022, 12:49:03 pm »
I don't think he gives a fuck about them, and he will be losing a lot of money from his personal commercial deals by not playing for a CL club ...

He was willing to go to City last year. How much City wanted him is debatable but it made United beg him to come back 12 years after he fucked them off. He'd never have gone back if he knew how bad they were. Finishing 2nd the previous year (via the most ridiculously biased refereeing and empty stadiums) covered up the cracks.
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36873 on: June 26, 2022, 01:20:52 pm »
The toon are getting in on the act
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36874 on: June 26, 2022, 02:44:21 pm »
The toon are getting in on the act

£81m for the toon defence.  That's £1m for every person killed in the mass one-day Saudi execution in March...

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36875 on: June 26, 2022, 02:46:25 pm »
This is kind of arrogant shite these, living in the past, dickheads still believe.

Biggest team in the world bollocks and who the fuck still parks the bus against them?  They're so shite even championship clubs are prepared to have a go.

Fuck sake, talk about manc tinted glasses, these lot are fucking blind 😂😂😂😂

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Do teams park the bus against Utd?!  Why the fuck would any team do that?

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36876 on: June 26, 2022, 02:59:09 pm »
Do teams park the bus against Utd?!  Why the fuck would any team do that?

Exactly mate but they still see themselves as they were in the early to mid 2000s where every team, referee, the FA and the PL were terrified of them and every player would fall over themselves to play for them.

They're just bitter gobshites that have sunk lower than the Titanic 😁

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36877 on: June 26, 2022, 03:01:32 pm »
Do teams park the bus against Utd?!  Why the fuck would any team do that?
allows their players more time to chuckle, I imagine.

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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36878 on: June 26, 2022, 03:07:09 pm »
The toon are getting in on the act
They should really wait maybe two years before they start the piss taking considering the purchases they're going to have to make and overpay on to move up the table
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Re: Man United thread. Revolution Number... 6?
« Reply #36879 on: June 26, 2022, 03:18:21 pm »
They should really wait maybe two years before they start the piss taking considering the purchases they're going to have to make and overpay on to move up the table

They moved up the table pretty swiftly after their January signings.  3rd behind us and city for points won I believe.