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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #200 on: February 20, 2021, 12:02:47 am »
Anyway, if you want overrated, then it’s David Bowie.

Underrated artist who deserves similar acclaim? Probably Kate Bush.

I thought you'd get some stick for that, but no one seems to have commented.

I actually agree with you though. Now I've got a fair bit of his work, and he could be a genius at times, but his stuff is incredibly patchy. Some absolute gems, but an awful lot of distinctly average stuff too. He couldn't act to save his life either, and only got film work because of his name.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #201 on: February 20, 2021, 12:03:19 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #202 on: February 20, 2021, 12:31:58 am »
I thought you'd get some stick for that, but no one seems to have commented.

I actually agree with you though. Now I've got a fair bit of his work, and he could be a genius at times, but his stuff is incredibly patchy. Some absolute gems, but an awful lot of distinctly average stuff too. He couldn't act to save his life either, and only got film work because of his name.
The very nature of the thread means that almost everyone mentioned could cause a mass full frontal attack. Amazing for RAWK that everyone seems to recognise that and go with the flow.

I mentioned Jagger very early on and expected outrage because I'm obviously in an absolute minority on that one, but it's a good sign. If only it would translate on to the  political threads.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #203 on: February 20, 2021, 12:53:46 am »
The very nature of the thread means that almost everyone mentioned could cause a mass full frontal attack. Amazing for RAWK that everyone seems to recognise that and go with the flow.

I mentioned Jagger very early on and expected outrage because I'm obviously in an absolute minority on that one, but it's a good sign. If only it would translate on to the  political threads.
Of course, yes. It's all so very subjective, isn't it?

I like a lot of things that leave me in a small minority, but we like what we like.  :)

For what it's worth, I'm with you on Jagger and the Stones. They leave me cold and perplexed as to their appeal, but hey, millions adore them, so it's all good.

I see you mentioned The Exorcist too. When I saw that film I thought it was a comedy as it's so ridiculous.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #204 on: February 20, 2021, 06:17:44 am »
Came in here to bait people and got wound up by people who don't understand rap shitting on Kanye. Played myself.

Kanye is a really shitty rapper. I struggle to remember a single song by him in the last decade where I thought he said anything insightful or clever.

He was a lot better on some of his albums from mid 00's,. He has definitely become a lot stupider and narcistic over time. Could be due to his mental health issues.

I do rate him as a producer though.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #205 on: February 20, 2021, 06:19:18 am »
Kanye is a really shitty rapper.

No.

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Yes.

But using that logic Ian Rush is overrated because he hasn't scored this millennium. People get old, fall off. It's natural.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #206 on: February 20, 2021, 06:27:25 am »
No.

Yes.

But using that logic Ian Rush is overrated because he hasn't scored this millennium. People get old, fall off. It's natural.

Its not just falling off though, He had about 5 years of a golden age and about 10 years of absolute cringefest in his career.

There are lot of rappers I love from the 90's that don't make amazing music anymore, but even listening to some of their newer stuff doesn't make me want to smash my phone with hammer. With Kanye, I just cringe when he starts talking. Pretty much every album past Yeezus is like that, and even some songs on his older albums are like that too.

Also it seems that lot of people still rate his newer albums too so that is why I say he is overrated.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #207 on: February 20, 2021, 06:34:17 am »
Its not just falling off though, He had about 5 years of a golden age and about 10 years of absolute cringefest in his career.

There are lot of rappers I love from the 90's that don't make amazing music anymore, but even listening to some of their newer stuff doesn't make me want to smash my phone with hammer. With Kanye, I just cringe when he starts talking. Pretty much every album past Yeezus is like that, and even some songs on his older albums are like that too.

Also it seems that lot of people still rate his newer albums too so that is why I say he is overrated.

Yeah he was young and innovative and then got older and richer. Less hungry. That's what happens. Those first three or four albums were insane, nobody maintains that. He still hasn't outcringed Jay Z on Monster though.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #208 on: February 20, 2021, 07:34:34 am »
So we may conclude that Liverbloke is overrated?  ;)

yes he is the twat


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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #209 on: February 20, 2021, 10:18:04 am »
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So guessing that you think people should be wanting slow/low-res/juttery graphics and poor low-framerate gameplay?

Fair play to them if they do, but doesn't appear to make much sense if you're a gamer.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #210 on: February 20, 2021, 10:20:35 am »
So guessing that you think people should be wanting slow/low-res/juttery graphics and poor low-framerate gameplay?

Fair play to them if they do, but doesn't appear to make much sense if you're a gamer.

No, they are just literally over rated ;D
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #211 on: February 20, 2021, 10:24:41 am »
No, they are just literally over rated ;D

Are they not under rated? As in they are rated for X speed, but are actually capable of running at >X speed.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #212 on: February 20, 2021, 10:24:59 am »
No, they are just literally over rated ;D

Not understanding what you are saying? What do you mean? Your statement appears to make no sense.

Explain it to me..
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #213 on: February 20, 2021, 10:37:13 am »
Are they not under rated? As in they are rated for X speed, but are actually capable of running at >X speed.
Shit... good point ...don’t tell Andy ;D
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #214 on: February 20, 2021, 10:38:19 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #215 on: February 20, 2021, 10:41:33 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #216 on: February 20, 2021, 10:55:32 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #217 on: February 20, 2021, 11:22:21 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #218 on: February 20, 2021, 11:52:32 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #219 on: February 20, 2021, 12:14:00 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #220 on: February 20, 2021, 12:22:24 pm »
Life.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #221 on: February 20, 2021, 01:01:44 pm »
The Des’ree song?

Although I think you’re right at the moment.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #222 on: February 20, 2021, 07:43:47 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #223 on: February 20, 2021, 07:53:03 pm »
Bret Easton Ellis. Less than zero, great.  American Psycho, great. Everything else bloody awful, actually Chuck Palahniuk is massively overrated, as is Fight Club both written and visually

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #225 on: February 20, 2021, 11:46:09 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #227 on: February 21, 2021, 12:55:23 am »
Who can forget the self indulgent Radiohead? Whiny white middle class self pitying nonsense. Particularly after today, I'm not keen on indulging and wallowing in the egotistical misery of their music.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #228 on: February 24, 2021, 05:25:52 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #229 on: February 25, 2021, 10:05:39 am »
Daniel Day-Lewis.

As the old saying goes, Nic Cage could do There Will Be Blood but DDL couldn't do Con Air.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #230 on: February 25, 2021, 02:46:18 pm »
As the old saying goes, Nic Cage could do There Will Be Blood but DDL couldn't do Con Air.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #231 on: February 25, 2021, 08:16:41 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #232 on: February 25, 2021, 09:45:34 pm »
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« Reply #233 on: February 25, 2021, 09:56:05 pm »
Sorry to hear that, that's a blow.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #234 on: February 25, 2021, 10:11:25 pm »
Don’t know if many people actually rate them, although there are a few who think they are the best rock band in the world or some shit, but I fucking despise Muse with a passion. Bloated, unfocused, self indulgent, and extremely bad tasted music, accompanied by pretentious juvenile conspiracy shit lyrics.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #235 on: February 25, 2021, 11:06:04 pm »
Don’t know if many people actually rate them, although there are a few who think they are the best rock band in the world or some shit, but I fucking despise Muse with a passion. Bloated, unfocused, self indulgent, and extremely bad tasted music, accompanied by pretentious juvenile conspiracy shit lyrics.

Their older stuff is great, newer stuff mostly terrible.

Pretty much like every band really. I think their cover of Feeling Good is incredible though.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #236 on: February 25, 2021, 11:12:42 pm »
I've been thinking for ages about putting something like this up so people could forge lifelong grudges against each other and display their bad taste based on nothing more than 'it was boring' or 'I watched one episode and couldn't get into it', but thought better of it. Glad someone else did though. Anyone posting things in here should back up what they say in detail. For instance, off the top of my head:


Bob Dylan. Mid-sixties Dylan is great but he stops being musically interesting after that so the weight really falls on his songwriting, which is definitely patchy from then on. Every few years he'll bring out a pretty good album that people treat as if it's the second coming because it's so good in comparison to whatever series of embarrassments he's dished out in the few years before. And he's been awful live for decades and remains the single worst pop or rock star actor in history - a staggering achievement given the breadth and lows of the competition.

Shawshank. It's a good film, maybe the most good film ever made, in that it's well shot, performed well and hits the right emotional beats to get an audience reaction. But number one on the IMDb list? There isn't a shred of greatness about it, anything that's fresh or original or that says anything about the human condition that's deeper or less cliched than you'd get in the average episode of Glee. And the book is better. The convicts would also have just smashed a nerd like Dusfresne's teeth out if he'd threatened to bite down. Still far better than The Green Mile, but probably around Gump territory in terms of quality.

The Clash in the 80's. 70's Clash is good to fantastic, but half of Sandinista is almost unlistenable and a further quarter would have maybe scraped on to a B-side of the earlier albums. Combat Rock is a mixture of pub rock that would have been critically mauled if it had come from a less 'credible' artist, and tuneless, funkless, sonic experiments that forge a direct link to the horrors of BAD. And Bankrobber, coming from Joe 'son of a diplomat' Strummer, is one of the fakest anti-establishment songs ever written.

Mad Men. Great production design and pathos aren't enough to equal depth, especially when the constant despair and effort to portray every triumph as hollow or virtually meaningless renders the show monotonal, and practically every character is a one-dimensional postmodern cliche. It's pre-swinging 60's so it's obligatory to have a slick suited, semi-alcoholic alpha male, a bored housewife, closeted gay character and oblivious wife, faux beatnik, misogynistic representatives of the old guard, etc, etc, etc. It scores points for not being campy but it didn't deserve the plaudits or thinkpieces it got.


Feel free to disagree with these, but anyone who's mentioning the likes of Citizen Kane, The Stones, The Wire or Pulp Fiction should have something substantial to back it up with.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #237 on: February 25, 2021, 11:24:14 pm »
Don’t know if many people actually rate them, although there are a few who think they are the best rock band in the world or some shit, but I fucking despise Muse with a passion. Bloated, unfocused, self indulgent, and extremely bad tasted music, accompanied by pretentious juvenile conspiracy shit lyrics.

I think Muse are quite highly rated by many, especially live.

I saw them in the L2 in Liverpool back in May of 2000 and they were brilliant. Funny enough, the then unheard of band called Coldplay were the support band. They were actually superb, and had the Muse audience eating out of their hands that night. Not long afterwards, Coldplay were suddenly massive and headlining big venues themselves. These days I can't listen to Coldplay at all, and only bother with the first Muse album, if I play them at all.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #238 on: February 26, 2021, 12:24:55 am »
Is it possible to love something and simultaneously think it's overrated?

I'm saying this as a massive Beach Boys fan, but...Pet Sounds.

There's great songs on it, production is incredible, etc.

Maybe it's the fact it, along with "What's Going On", "Sgt Peppers", "London Calling" were always, without fail at the top of best album ever polls in the NME, etc. Maybe the weight of expectation means they can never live up to the hype.

I reckon between those four albums you could make one truly great one!
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #239 on: February 26, 2021, 12:35:18 am »
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