Author Topic: Indiana jones 4 (Read 26387 times)

TanistliN · « **Reply #200 on:** May 25, 2008, 11:15:42 pm »

Year 2008.
Movie's title: "Indiana Jones"

Tears...

walshys_mullet · « **Reply #201 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:14:08 am »

Decent movie - very old school.

First 30 minutes were top, top stuff. then Lucas got his claws in and there were a few ott moments, but for the main it was a good solid movie and i loved the closure of it.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #202 on:** May 26, 2008, 09:50:05 am »

Quote from: sabbathfan on May 25, 2008, 10:26:04 pm

So I shouldn't watch the first 3 Indiana Jones films which I love?

Don't patronise me.

I gave my views on the film. If you don't agree fine. I couldn't give less of a shit.

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Maybe you appreciated it but I thought the character brought nothing to the film. She could have been used to add tension to the action sequences because 2 people she loved were involved in them and could have been killed. But instead they made her too busy having fun to notice her son having a sword fight? Please.

I felt like I was watching Mission to Mars all over again with the stupid fucking aliens. It was ridiculous (far more than I can even take from an Indiana Jones film.
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Well I and the entire audience at Allerton Odeon disagree with you.

It got a round of applause at the end and there's not too many films that get that nowdays.

Did you watch it in the pictures?

nidgemo · « **Reply #203 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:03:06 am »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 26, 2008, 09:50:05 am

It got a round of applause at the end

Really?

Seriously?

There's SO much wrong with that.

thredworm · « **Reply #204 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:55:49 am »

Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why.......

Why does Spielberg always ALWAYS have to ruin movies by sticking an 'Alien' element in them? Why? Why does he do it? I honestly cannot believe the ending to this Indiana Jones movie. My jaw dropped and hit the floor. What. The. Fuck.

The rest of it wasn't that good either. It's forced and doesn't feel right, the plot is so loose it's untrue, the bad guys really really aren't that bad AT ALL and they're hardly in it. There's no mystery, there's no 'prize' for Indy to be hunting...it's just not an Indiana Jones movie.

And then comes the aliens. Jesus Christ that was bad. It started innocently enough, but the longer it went on the more it felt like there was going to be a really crap scene at the end, and there was. I fucking knew it was coming, because I've seen A.I. and Spielberg did the same thing then aswell. Decent movie up until the point when the little robot kiddie gets frozen, then it's all Aliens and 'what the fuck' faces from there on in.

Why? Why? Why?

GBF · « **Reply #205 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:04:02 am »

the movie started as a "not that bad" and end up with..."wtf is this"

I could have lived with the aliens stuff but the flying saucer??? that is taking the piss of a good film. Should never have made this 4th one

lionel_messias · « **Reply #206 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:16:42 am »

The ending was Entirely, totally predictable given that the movie bloody starts in Area 51 people!!!

And the "Saucer men" are there because the film is set in the 1950s; Red Peril, Roswell in 1947, Sci-fi movies with little green men etc

For me, it was about as good (not bad really, not classic) as I would have expected for sequel 15 years too late, which nobody really wanted in the first place.

thredworm · « **Reply #207 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:22:01 am »

Quote from: lionel_messias on May 26, 2008, 11:16:42 am

The ending was Entirely, totally predictable given that the movie bloody starts in Area 51 people!!!

Think you'll find that Area 51 isn't a special place where just aliens are kept, mate. It's just a top secret area where all kinds of things are kept. Why do you think the Ark was in there?

Okkervil · « **Reply #208 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:30:03 am »

Some people seem to have forgotten how OTT the first three Indie films are i think. Give them a watch again, and the new one really isn't that far away from them.

Kids are going to love this film. Just like i did when i saw the first 3 on tele in the early 90's and those of you who are older did back in the cinema in the 80's.

It may not of reached the heights of the original, but it was more of the same from Spielberg and Indiana Jones, and that was more than enough.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #209 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:41:21 am »

Quote from: thredworm on May 26, 2008, 11:22:01 am

Think you'll find that Area 51 isn't a special place where just aliens are kept, mate. It's just a top secret area where all kinds of things are kept. Why do you think the Ark was in there?

Thanks for sharing, but I think its safe to say Area 51 has one main connotation people usually think of!
As well as being a figment of popular imagination, unless you have evidence no-one else has?

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #210 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:54:18 am »

I actually think that the problem is that people saw the first three when they were much younger.

Don't forget the first one came out in 1980 (I was only 12 myself then) - so watched the first one as a kid and the latest one was 1989 (So I was only 21 then)

So from this - I've still got a fairly open view on life and never expect too much. I also realise that it's basically a childrens film (Of the ilk of the great cliffhangers I used to watch in the pictures every Saturday morning when they used to have Saturday Matinees where your parents dumped you so they could get the shopping in and whatever)

I think that as people get older - they get more cynical and less able to just 'go along with the story' without worrying about it too much. At the end of the day the writers and directors decided to do a sequel that brought in an old character that had a life changing impact on the Indy character - also producing a son - it also features events very much at the fore in the '50s in America - the 'Commie Hunts' of the day, the shadowy American Government figures, the Soviets as part of the American-Soviet struggle of the Cold War Era, Nuclear Testing, Aliens and Area 51.

Really, really can't see what so many people have a problem with to be honest.

A good old fashioned farce of a kids film based on 1930s B movies with it's tongue very much in it's cheek - as were all the others.

Some people have grown up from kids that could enjoy a good film without too much thought and turned into cynical film critics that probably shouldn't be watching kids films anymore because they no longer have the capacity to take them for what they are.

Not everything needs to be thought about and constructively analysed and picked apart. Watch the film - enjoy it or not and go onto something else.

I'm also not sure how many of those that have had a go actually went to the pictures to see it? I personally like going to the pictures to watch the films on the big screen and I also like to try and keep the Allerton Odeon open with my continued support and viewing of their films.

But the most important thing is that although I'm 40 in a few weeks I can still appreciate films for what they are.

Another problem is that when the first three Indy films came out - they weren't trying to achieve anything deep or meaningful - they too were just wild action farces of the 30s B movie Ilk - it's just now 'experts' have jumped on the bandwagon to try and put all sorts of shite in there that was never intended in the first place.

If you spend your life overanalysing everything you ever do and see - then what's the fucking point of anything?

walshys_mullet · « **Reply #211 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:55:23 am »

It made sense that there was a ufo in the end. Its the linkage to those that supposedly built the temples, that they were 'helped' by advanced beings, then you've got the whole 50's ufo thing with Roswell, Area 51 and the nuclear testing.

Worked well.

It was just the daft moments that brought it down a notch> A more serious and gritty setpiece in the jungle would have rectified that.

Okkervil · « **Reply #212 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:01:23 pm »

Feels a bit weird this but.... I agree with Andy

John_P · « **Reply #213 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:08:57 pm »

Saw it at Allerton road last night, I enjoyed it. A bit too much cgi in the action scenes for my liking though.

I really don't understand the complaints about the aliens, we saw one in the first 15 minutes, cate blanchetts character makes reference to her finding two in the soviet union, and we see the things dead body in full about half way through. so its not really a surprise when the things turn up with the ufo at the end.

Seriously though you can't really over analyse a movie were in the first half hour the main character survives a nuclear bomb by hiding in a fridge.

nidgemo · « **Reply #214 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:26:47 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 26, 2008, 11:54:18 am

I've still got a fairly open view on life

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #215 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:41:03 pm »

Quote from: nidgemo on May 26, 2008, 12:26:47 pm

If you ever actually go to the game and meet me in the pub I'm a bit different in 'real life' than I am on here

nidgemo · « **Reply #216 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:45:33 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 26, 2008, 12:41:03 pm

If you ever actually go to the game and meet me in the pub I'm a bit different in 'real life' than I am on here

It's a date.

I think we'd have great fun

cj · « **Reply #217 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:54:35 pm »

It was rather disappointing. 6.5 or 7/ 10. Shame.

Rusty Oysterburger · « **Reply #218 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:56:40 pm »

Quote from: thredworm on May 26, 2008, 10:55:49 am

Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why.......

Why does Spielberg always ALWAYS have to ruin movies by sticking an 'Alien' element in them? Why? Why does he do it? I honestly cannot believe the ending to this Indiana Jones movie. My jaw dropped and hit the floor. What. The. Fuck.

The rest of it wasn't that good either. It's forced and doesn't feel right, the plot is so loose it's untrue, the bad guys really really aren't that bad AT ALL and they're hardly in it. There's no mystery, there's no 'prize' for Indy to be hunting...it's just not an Indiana Jones movie.

And then comes the aliens. Jesus Christ that was bad. It started innocently enough, but the longer it went on the more it felt like there was going to be a really crap scene at the end, and there was. I fucking knew it was coming, because I've seen A.I. and Spielberg did the same thing then aswell. Decent movie up until the point when the little robot kiddie gets frozen, then it's all Aliens and 'what the fuck' faces from there on in.

Why? Why? Why?

Actually, they're not aliens in A.I.

They are super advanced robots

Its also implicitly stated a few times in this film that they're not aliens. But things from a different dimension. Although they do look like your stereotypical alien and have a flying saucer so I dont know....

Personally I find the idea of aliens in this no more outlandish than the Wrath of God melting some Nazi's faces off

John_P · « **Reply #219 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:01:09 pm »

inter dimensional they were described as, still sounds like a fancy name for alien to me.

Surprise me. · « **Reply #220 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:14:23 pm »

Going to go and watch this now, no idea how good its going to be.

Fanxxxxtastic · « **Reply #221 on:** May 26, 2008, 07:14:45 pm »

Just been watching a documentary that was shown on the History Channel in the US the other night.

It's picked the bones out of 4 movies with regard to the myth and the truth in them.

Amazingly, a lot of it is based on truth and legend about the artifacts.

Like the cult in Temple of Doom, were a real cult in India, and where the word thug derives.

Folk have been moaning about the crystal skull and its linkage with aliens. The actual legend is that there are 13 of them that have been hidden all over the world, and at the time of man's greatest need, all 13 will be found and give man a great knowledge. Apparently, the ones that have been found have had tests carried out on them, and they haven't got a clue how they've been made, as there are no tool marks.

The legend of where they originated, is that they were brought to earth by men from the sky.

If you can download it, its pretty good viewing.

Slick_Beef · « **Reply #222 on:** May 26, 2008, 07:54:17 pm »

Quote from: FanXabitastic on May 26, 2008, 07:14:45 pm

Folk have been moaning about the crystal skull and its linkage with aliens. The actual legend is that there are 13 of them that have been hidden all over the world, and at the time of man's greatest need, all 13 will be found and give man a great knowledge. Apparently, the ones that have been found have had tests carried out on them, and they haven't got a clue how they've been made, as there are no tool marks.

I think the program must have been sponsored by george lucas to stir up some hype! I was reading the other day that tests have been done on the one in the british museum and the ones in france, and all tests have concluded that they have been made in the 19th century, most likely in Germany. There is also no reference to crystal skulls in any native american legend, and the idea that there is 13 of them was only invented in the 20th century by the same type of people that watch 'crossing over with john edward'...

Still enjoyed the film tho!!!

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #223 on:** May 26, 2008, 09:50:10 pm »

Sometimes documentaries lie. I saw a documentary called the Secret of M. Night Shyamalan and it technically proved that M. Night himself is partly between being a ghost and being human and that he makes all his movies about himself and trust me it was very very creepy. Doesn't mean it is true though does it ?

ben · « **Reply #224 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:31:59 am »

when you actually break down the plot and analyse what it's about (crystal skull, 12 aliens merge into one and then fly into space in a giant space chip hidden in the amazon), it's absurd, ridiculous and slightly pathetic. but i still quite enjoyed the film, certainly up until the end at least.

6.5

JohnnyDrama · « **Reply #225 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:34:05 am »

this movie

Marcus6 · « **Reply #226 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:37:00 am »

The last 20 minutes I was genuinely struggling to stay awake. That has never happened to me before.

The ending was diabolical. Don't get me wrong, I know it's not meant to be realistic, but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #227 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:47:52 am »

Quote from: Marcus6 on May 27, 2008, 10:37:00 am

The last 20 minutes I was genuinely struggling to stay awake. That has never happened to me before.

The ending was diabolical. Don't get me wrong, I know it's not meant to be realistic, but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

Why?

It's a kid film with a fantastical storyline

ben · « **Reply #228 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:02:15 am »

yeah we all know it's a kids storyline, and indian jones has never been realistic, but there's a difference between 'a bit far fetched' and 'fucking shit'.

imagine if in the end indiana jones would have turned into rocky and boxed with the alien or something? would that pass because it's a 'fantastical film'.

people call things as they see it, and that ending was fucking shit.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #229 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:16:40 am »

Quote from: ben on May 27, 2008, 11:02:15 am

yeah we all know it's a kids storyline, and indian jones has never been realistic, but there's a difference between 'a bit far fetched' and 'fucking shit'.

imagine if in the end indiana jones would have turned into rocky and boxed with the alien or something? would that pass because it's a 'fantastical film'.

people call things as they see it, and that ending was fucking shit.

That's your opinion and that's fine.

Personally I liked it.

In the pictures the whole effect of the water storming into the middle with the pretty amazing sound effects from the THX soundsystems was fairly astonishing.

cornelius · « **Reply #230 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:38:34 am »

Quote from: FanXabitastic on May 26, 2008, 07:14:45 pm

Just been watching a documentary that was shown on the History Channel in the US the other night.

I have to say that I've noticed that a lot of the stuff on the History channel is total bollocks and highly dubious to say the least. Very sensationalist and aimed at the gullible. It's no wonder so many americans are ignorant, dumb fucks. I steer well of it.

coct3au · « **Reply #231 on:** May 27, 2008, 12:41:15 pm »

Oh dear. Won't delve into all my issues with it, but it definitely didn't work, in a lot of ways. Some of the main sequences stretched credibility too much -

Spoiler

the fridge, the waterfalls, the monkey-swinging!

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- and as someone pointed out on imdb, Indy has (until now) been premised on the occult, not science fiction, so the ending jarred badly.

I read an interview with Harrison Ford recently where he was asked about why it took so long to make a 4th film, and he replied they were waiting for a good script - then made some guarded comments about how he and Spielberg needed to be 'talked around' by Lucas into accepting some of the 'fantastic elements' of this one, or something. And apparently it went through several rewrites by different people in an attempt to polish it up. I think those two insights cover the roots of the problems with it.

Having said all that, I was cautiously enjoying it for a while... But for me, it goes down with Terminator 3 as being a tepid rehash, rather than a new idea, which should never have got off the drawing board in that state.

ben · « **Reply #232 on:** May 27, 2008, 01:05:16 pm »

it was just asif they were trying to fit in as much stuff from the old films as possible. like the music, being scared of snakes, sleeping with his hat on his face, the line moving on the map etc.. rather than having an actual story to tell.

all good for a bit of nostalgia like, but as a film in itself, it doesn't really stand up.

Waterloo Phil · « **Reply #233 on:** May 27, 2008, 01:30:45 pm »

Quote from: FanXabitastic on May 26, 2008, 07:14:45 pm

Just been watching a documentary that was shown on the History Channel in the US the other night.

It's picked the bones out of 4 movies with regard to the myth and the truth in them.

Amazingly, a lot of it is based on truth and legend about the artifacts.

Like the cult in Temple of Doom, were a real cult in India, and where the word thug derives.

Folk have been moaning about the crystal skull and its linkage with aliens. The actual legend is that there are 13 of them that have been hidden all over the world, and at the time of man's greatest need, all 13 will be found and give man a great knowledge. Apparently, the ones that have been found have had tests carried out on them, and they haven't got a clue how they've been made, as there are no tool marks.

The legend of where they originated, is that they were brought to earth by men from the sky.

If you can download it, its pretty good viewing.

whats it called ?

Killed by Death · « **Reply #234 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:12:36 pm »

I thought this was a good film. As for it being over the top, IT'S INDIANA FUCKIN' JONES! It's meant to be OTT, escapist entertainment! What's wrong with having aliens? Was that any more of a stretch than the Ark of the Covenant melting your face when you look at it, or some evil sorcerer saying magic words that remove your beating heart, or an 800-year-old knight guarding the Holy Grail? All I know is that the film kept my attention, kept me thoroughly entertained, and made for a memorable story. What more can you ask for from an Indiana Jones film?

Oh, and the nuclear explosion was great!

ben · « **Reply #235 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:30:22 pm »

Quote from: Killed by Death on May 27, 2008, 02:12:36 pm

I thought this was a good film. As for it being over the top, IT'S INDIANA FUCKIN' JONES! It's meant to be OTT, escapist entertainment! What's wrong with having aliens? Was that any more of a stretch than the Ark of the Covenant melting your face when you look at it, or some evil sorcerer saying magic words that remove your beating heart, or an 800-year-old knight guarding the Holy Grail? All I know is that the film kept my attention, kept me thoroughly entertained, and made for a memorable story. What more can you ask for from an Indiana Jones film?

Oh, and the nuclear explosion was great!

might not be any more or less realistic than the things you mentioned from the previous films, but what it was was a complete departure from the other movies. just so random having little green men and flying saucers.

noones moaning that it's unrealistic, just too out of synch with what indiana jones is meant to be, i.e an historian who likes to seek ancient treasures and mythical legends. not fucking space ships.

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #236 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:38:46 pm »

Quote from: ben on May 27, 2008, 02:30:22 pm

might not be any more or less realistic than the things you mentioned from the previous films, but what it was was a complete departure from the other movies. just so random having little green men and flying saucers.

noones moaning that it's unrealistic, just too out of synch with what indiana jones is meant to be, i.e an historian who likes to seek ancient treasures and mythical legends. not fucking space ships.

It's hardly random is it?

It's dipped into 50s America where paranoia, little green men, area 51, 'commies', shadowy government agencies and the Cold War were all the rage.

And Indy in this film WAS seeking ancient treasures and investigating ancient legends.

hooded claw · « **Reply #237 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:43:31 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 26, 2008, 12:41:03 pm

If you ever actually go to the game and meet me in the pub I'm a bit different in 'real life' than I am on here

Don't do it, nidge. He's trying to trap you. He'll kill you and blame it on corrupt referees.

Anyway,

Quote from: Emo Phillips on February 19, 2008, 09:17:45 am

Well said, Andy.
Too many idiots amongst the few enlightened souls like yourself.

so there.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #238 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:45:33 pm »

I'm not going to go back and quote a load of people, but to answer some of the thread:

I wouldn't say Spielberg puts aliens in all his films. I think this is about the 4th one he's directed that has included aliens. That's not many at all.

The original 3 Indy films were set in the 30's, and mirrored the cliff hanger type serials popular at the time. This is set in the 50's and mirrors the sci-fi men from mars type films popular at the time, so I thought entirely appropriate, and no more outlandish than the arc, stones or grail.

Lucas didn't take over the directing at any point. He wrote the story, David Koepp wrote the script and Spieldberg directed. Lucas probably did some second unit directing, which he also did on the other Indy films.

The musical motifs, snakes, line on the map were absolutely appropriate and should be in any Indy film.

When the fridge thing happened, my first thought was, 'that's fucking ridiculous'. However, then I remembered Last Crusade, in which an airplane gets it's wings knocked off as it hits a tunnel, then slides down said tunnel, the pilot able to make eye contact with the Jones boys as he does. Then the plane explodes at the tunnel mouth and the Jones boys drive through the explosion in an open top car and escape unscathed. That in no way ruined Last Crusade for me, despite being fucking ridiculous. From that point, I could fully enjoy the film and take it as it came. I don't watch Indy for realism, I watch it for high adventure. I don't believe for a second that a 900 year old 2 foot tall alien and lift objects with teh power of his mind, but I still love Star Wars.

As soon as I saw Area 51 on the guard house, I thought aliens were going to be in it. The corpse confirmed it, and then throughout the film there were suggestions, like the shape of the skull, the wall paintings. I wouldn't say it was sprung on the audience in the last 10 minutes.

I thought they did a good job of melding those ancient civilizations with aliens, a theory I've heard before.

In conclusion, arguing film opinion is like dancing about architecture.

USgooner · « **Reply #239 on:** May 27, 2008, 03:47:07 pm »

I remember reading Spielberg saying while ago when the started shooting this film that they will not use any CGI. That couldn't be further away from the truth ,I mean almost the entire film is CGI. I thought the whole movie was joke to be honest, I mean come on, surviving nuclear bomb by hiding in fucking fridge. Also the ending was as far fetched as you can get. even for blockbuster movie, Reading people review on IMDB it seems almost everyone is disappointed by this film.